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Simberto
Germany11792 Posts
On December 16 2025 23:48 MJG wrote: I seem to remember people who left the UK to join IS getting their passports removed. The same should happen to these clowns. Would be good, because otherwise Putins next step is putting them in prison to extort their origin governments for money or other concessions. | ||
KwarK
United States43828 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11792 Posts
On December 16 2025 23:58 KwarK wrote: You can’t just make people stateless. That is a problem. And thus we have these morons going to Russia and then being available as blackmail material. I'd have hoped that they have gotten Russian citizenship so far. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17715 Posts
But as mentioned, when leaving they should exchange their passport for the Russian one. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1329 Posts
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Copymizer
Denmark2107 Posts
So today in a speech to the Ministry of defence, Putin called european politicians for "little pigs" for gathering around president Biden to pressure Moscow and give military support against Putin's failed invasion. Tbh i think Putin is doing very well himself to wreck his own country, economy and future lol. He only have himself to blame for such a colossal mistake. Putin has chosen war because it's the only way his regime can survive. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17715 Posts
On December 18 2025 04:14 Copymizer wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/dec/17/ukraine-russia-war-eu-european-council-frozen-assets-zelenskyy-europe-live-news So today in a speech to the Ministry of defence, Putin called european politicians for "little pigs" for gathering around president Biden to pressure Moscow and give military support against Putin's failed invasion. Tbh i think Putin is doing very well himself to wreck his own country, economy and future lol. He only have himself to blame for such a colossal mistake. Putin has chosen war because it's the only way his regime can survive. I really don't know why the US is still even entertaining those notions of a peace deal there. Ukraine will never ever give up Donbas willingly, Russia will not settle for anything less. Those are 2 opposing views that cannot be reconciled in any way unless something changes drastically on the front. Even if US would push hard (as they tried to do recently) for Ukraine to give up Donbas they still need to consider that in the polls 77% of Ukrainian population is against it and even the military says they won't honor any such deal and will fight there to the last man if it comes to it. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5778 Posts
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Billyboy
1619 Posts
On December 18 2025 07:15 Manit0u wrote: I really don't know why the US is still even entertaining those notions of a peace deal there. Ukraine will never ever give up Donbas willingly, Russia will not settle for anything less. Those are 2 opposing views that cannot be reconciled in any way unless something changes drastically on the front. Even if US would push hard (as they tried to do recently) for Ukraine to give up Donbas they still need to consider that in the polls 77% of Ukrainian population is against it and even the military says they won't honor any such deal and will fight there to the last man if it comes to it. Even if Russia agreed to current lines it wouldn't work, because Russia's version of current lines does not mesh with where the actual troops are. I believe Zelensky's goal is to make the most reasonable offer he can that Russia won't accept so it is Russia ruining Trumps grand peace plan and not Ukraine. On December 18 2025 07:31 maybenexttime wrote: Trump's goal is clearly to weaken Ukraine. You are way over estimating his thought process. His goal is the same it is with everything, to make himself seem more important and wonderful. He wants to end this war and get his fantasy of a peace prize. the interesting thing is since Trump has been in power Russia has gotten much weaker. Their top allies are either no longer their allies or shells of their former selves (Syria, Iran, Venezuela). Their economy is in the shitter and someone has to be telling Trump that Russian oil off the market is great for him and US given their production. What the EU needs to understand is he is a child who loves medals, ceremonies and public recognition. What they should offer him is the first ever peace through power prize, that is so much more alpha and manly than the silly noble one. And all he needs to do to get it is arm Ukraine to the teeth with everything they need, including tomahawks. Make the award both a medal and the biggest goldest bestest statue of him that will be the crown jewel of the new ballroom. He has no grand plans, or secret agenda. He isn't smart enough. He just agrees with whoever compliments him last. | ||
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pmp10
3390 Posts
It died on yesterday's summit. Ukraine is still getting funded, but EU countries are already securing exceptions from doing so. Not a great prospect for future EU unity. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2756 Posts
On December 19 2025 15:02 pmp10 wrote: Anyone remember the EU plan to fund Ukraine using the seized Russian assets? It died on yesterday's summit. Ukraine is still getting funded, but EU countries are already securing exceptions from doing so. Not a great prospect for future EU unity. I prefer it this way. The frozen assets are a huge carrot for peace negotiations. If Russias economy really crumbles they can be traded for land which is better. They are also a damocles sword hanging over Putins head. If there is a coup the critical part is usually securing immediate funding after you removed the dictator but before the new leader has secured the cash inflow. You have to pay the military and other cogs in the machine. Just removing sanctions are not enough. But if Putin were to fall out of a window the new regime can pull back from Ukraine, get 185bn immediately, cut the troops a check and they have a much easier time. Finally if there is a peace the frozen assets are likely the only way Ukraine gets war reparations and we are paying for reconstruction anyway. Might as well save them for that to keep our options open until there is peace. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17715 Posts
On December 19 2025 15:02 pmp10 wrote: Anyone remember the EU plan to fund Ukraine using the seized Russian assets? It died on yesterday's summit. Ukraine is still getting funded, but EU countries are already securing exceptions from doing so. Not a great prospect for future EU unity. What do you mean not a great prospect? That they came together, decided they won't be using the Russian assets in the end and agreed to get $90B for Ukraine from their own pockets instead? Sure, using Russian assets might be preferable but what this shows is that EU leaders are actually mature and are able to reach agreements on tough proposals even if it's not the best outcome in their eyes. Compare that to all the talk and delaying of decisions you see from Trump and Russia and you'll see that even suboptimal outcome is better than no outcome at all. Edit: Also, the article you posted doesn't mention that the deal with this loan to Ukraine is that if the war ends it'll be paid off as part of Russian war reparations and if Russia won't be willing to pay it off the EU reserves the right to simply take it back from the frozen assets. In other words, it's giving Ukraine frozen Russian assets without touching those assets. | ||
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Vivax
22272 Posts
On December 17 2025 00:05 Simberto wrote: That is a problem. And thus we have these morons going to Russia and then being available as blackmail material. I'd have hoped that they have gotten Russian citizenship so far. The story where the son of some CIA agent went to fight for Russia in Ukraine and died was some of the weirdest things I had seen in a while. You‘ve got to be out of your mind anyway to volunteer in wars. Now‘s to hope the Russian government gets to their senses and stops before some shit happens where everyone’s got to run around in hazmat suits and gas masks. | ||
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KwarK
United States43828 Posts
I think one of the best pieces of evidence that Putin thought this would be over in 3 days and that relationships would normalize is that he didn’t bother pulling out the cash. Had Kyiv fallen and a puppet been installed there would have been a lot of loud voices, mostly funded by Russia, asking what the benefit of holding a grudge was when it was a done deal and the “president” of Ukraine had approved the annexation. They completely failed to imagine any scenario where Ukraine held, then counterattacked, then pushed them back to the borders in the north. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6336 Posts
On November 20 2025 23:37 zeo wrote: The November exchange of bodies between Kiev and Moscow took place today KYIV, Nov 20 (Reuters) - Ukraine and Russia have carried out a new exchange of bodies of dead soldiers, Ukrainian officials and Russian state media said on Thursday. Ukraine said it received 1,000 bodies and Russian state news agency TASS quoted an unidentified source as saying Moscow got back 30. 30 RUS soldiers 1000 UKR soldiers The rest of the official exchanges over the last year: 8 November 2024 37 RUS soldiers 563 UKR soldiers 20 December 2024 42 RUS soldiers 503 UKR soldiers 24 January 2025 49 RUS soldiers 757 UKR soldiers 14 February 2025 45 RUS soldiers 757 UKR soldiers 28 March 2025 43 RUS soldiers 909 UKR soldiers 18 April 2025 41 RUS soldiers 909 UKR soldiers 16 May 2025 34 RUS soldiers 909 UKR soldiers 10-16 June 2025 78 RUS soldiers 6,060 UKR soldiers 16 July 2025 19 RUS soldiers 1,000 UKR soldiers 19 September 2025 24 RUS soldiers 1,000 UKR soldiers 23 October 2025 31 RUS soldiers 1,000 UKR soldiers 15.367 bodies of UKR soldiers exchanged for 473 bodies of RUS soldiers over the last year at a ratio of 32,48 to 1 The December exchange of bodies took place yesterday. 1003 UKR bodies for 26 RUS servicemen 16.370 UKR bodies exchanged for 499 Russian ones if they are added to the tally from the previous post, the current exchange rate is 32,8 UKR bodies to 1 RUS | ||
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aseq
Netherlands3996 Posts
From your last link: "According to Ukraine, Russia has repeatedly attempted to hand over bodies of its own killed soldiers passed off as Ukrainians, attempting to hide the scale of its losses from the Russian public." | ||
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pmp10
3390 Posts
On December 19 2025 18:05 Manit0u wrote: What do you mean not a great prospect? That they came together, decided they won't be using the Russian assets in the end and agreed to get $90B for Ukraine from their own pockets instead? You mean 24 out of 27 did, given the exemptions some countries secured. And yes, this is a good indication of limits to EU commitment, independence and will to support Ukraine long-term. If Russia is seriously considering a forever-war then this the wrong message to send. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17715 Posts
On December 20 2025 20:18 pmp10 wrote: You mean 24 out of 27 did, given the exemptions some countries secured. And yes, this is a good indication of limits to EU commitment, independence and will to support Ukraine long-term. If Russia is seriously considering a forever-war then this the wrong message to send. Here you go, funds that will keep you afloat for 2 more years and you won't have to pay us back because we'll take it from Russia. ^ How is that a wrong message to send for long term support? | ||
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Excludos
Norway8247 Posts
On December 20 2025 19:28 zeo wrote: The December exchange of bodies took place yesterday. 1003 UKR bodies for 26 RUS servicemen 16.370 UKR bodies exchanged for 499 Russian ones if they are added to the tally from the previous post, the current exchange rate is 32,8 UKR bodies to 1 RUS Wait, wait, wait. You think the exchange of bodies is an indication of who has the most deaths? Dude, what you're seeing here is Ukraine caring about their dead, and Russia not giving a shit, they only want a few of their top brass back. Russia cares so little about their own dead that they keep handing them over to Ukraine in these very same exchanges. The level of illogical hoops you had to jump through to get to this statement is incredible. "Third party evidence? Naah. Russia's own numbers? Naah! Ukraine is losing 32.8 to 1 because of an exchange of bodies that happened!" | ||
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