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On November 19 2025 04:24 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2025 00:24 hexhaven wrote:On November 18 2025 19:49 Jankisa wrote:
Our guys here are in a bit of a media bubble and are a tad slow generally so they are behind the curve on what they are supposed to push at the moment.
It's these... let's call them state-approved talking points that keep popping up. From NATO expansion to root causes to the thrust towards Kyiv was just a distraction to now Zelensky's legitimacy. We'll see new versions being trotted out every once in a while, and some of them even try to stick around. And whenever the nonsense they're peddling is debunked they always avoid addressing the rebuttals. Then after a few weeks or months they come back are are pushing the same crap, pretending it hadn't been already debunked.
That's the most frustrating part. They come in here and shit all over the thread, disappears for without addressing anything substantial, then returns a month later to vomit some more of their dear leader's talking points. It's just consistent bad faith arguments and trolling
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On November 19 2025 04:49 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2025 04:24 maybenexttime wrote:On November 19 2025 00:24 hexhaven wrote:On November 18 2025 19:49 Jankisa wrote:
Our guys here are in a bit of a media bubble and are a tad slow generally so they are behind the curve on what they are supposed to push at the moment.
It's these... let's call them state-approved talking points that keep popping up. From NATO expansion to root causes to the thrust towards Kyiv was just a distraction to now Zelensky's legitimacy. We'll see new versions being trotted out every once in a while, and some of them even try to stick around. And whenever the nonsense they're peddling is debunked they always avoid addressing the rebuttals. Then after a few weeks or months they come back are are pushing the same crap, pretending it hadn't been already debunked. That's the most frustrating part. They come in here and shit all over the thread, disappears for without addressing anything substantial, then returns a month later to vomit some more of their dear leader's talking points. It's just consistent bad faith arguments and trolling
Imo this is because there like 10 people in this thread stoking each other non stop. And won't listen to any arguments. No matter what is said you guys live in a parallel universe where the facts are the same but you interpret them completely opposite. Some of us a smart enough not to engage cos there's no point. Let bigons be bigots
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Reality is Russia hasn't gotten a quick victory like they hoped.
At the same time the sanctions and arms support from that many powerful nations are not proving to be as effective as any of us hoped.
The latter is concerning because the effectiveness of sanctions etc are meant to be the ultimate "peaceful" deterrence / diplomatic option for globalization
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