EPTOn November 19 2024 11:18 Razyda wrote:
I am pretty sure you don't. Europe gets reduced to Greenland and Iceland, while Russia looses maybe Moscow and Leningrad. Hardly seems like an even trade...
Edit: for explanation Leningrad = St Petersburg
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On November 19 2024 10:57 KwarK wrote:
I don’t know, seems like I win because Kingdom of Denmark Sorry buddy but you lose. Get Denmark’d.
On November 19 2024 10:51 Razyda wrote:
First of all: I don't think anybody wins.
Europe being reduced to Greenland doesn't seem like a "win"...
On November 19 2024 10:39 KwarK wrote:
No, it doesn’t, because Europe includes Denmark so I win.
On November 19 2024 10:37 Razyda wrote:
I wouldn't argue that though. Why would I? The simple fact is that any nuclear strike of Russia on Europe is devastating, while Europe nuclear strike on Russia is sort of a scratch thing.
Europe area: 10.53 million square kilometers
Russia area: Total 17,098,246 square kilometers
Europe area - Russia area: 10,014,000 - 3,952,550 = 6061450 square kilometers
Doesn't that put things into perspective?
On November 19 2024 10:23 KwarK wrote:
Russia's population density isn't so low. Hell, it's actually higher than that of the Kingdom of Denmark. Now you may argue that this is misleading because the Kingdom of Denmark includes Greenland which is mostly ice and the vast majority of people live in one area adjacent to Europe. To which I'd reply "didn't you just try to argue about the population density of Russia?"
On November 19 2024 09:34 Razyda wrote:
I am sorry but have you seen the map? Russia is effectively more than twice the size of Europe. Also some numbers:
Russia population density:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#:~:text=As of the 2021 census,22 inhabitants/sq mi).
8.5 inhabitants per square kilometre
Europe population density:
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/europe-population/#:~:text=Europe Population (LIVE)&text=The population density in Europe,87 people per mi2).
The population density in Europe is 34 per square kilometre
On November 17 2024 19:50 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
I guess the war effectively ends when British and French second strike capabilities wipe out all major Russian cities.
Fair chance the US gets fucked by Russian second strike in the following confusion.
No, in that scenario Russia would nuke some midsize border cities from the direction NATO advances, like in Finland and Poland. And probably also Ukraine. Then the war ends because no one else wants to die.
On November 17 2024 13:01 Razyda wrote:
Great strategy. Putin then nukes London, Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, Rome effectively ending war and putting Europe in middle ages. If you think US will risk actual extinction in the name of revenge, I would suggest rethinking that.
On November 17 2024 01:00 Billyboy wrote:
War strategy buffs, I have a strategy I'd like to propose and get your opinions on how it would work if they did it.
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I think Poland, the Baltics, Norway and Finland should all prepare for war and move their militaries to an obvious offensive position for "war games". Canada and Sweden prepare for taking the Artic. The rest of the countries that support Ukraine should also move their militaries as if to defend the NATO countries.
At the same time they should remove all restrictions on Ukraine from using western made weapons and Ukraine should announce an massive conscription.
I believe this would force Russia to slow their offense and defend against a possible attack. If they do not, it makes it painfully clear that their propaganda of fear of a NATO attack is complete horse shit as they are defending against offensive posturing.
It would energize the Ukrainian people as they would feel supported and as if they had a real chance to defeat Russia.
If Russia keeps going Poland, Finland and others could decide to take back their historic land (or threaten it) unless Russia returns to its pre 2014 boarders. They should also send words of support and promises to support any uprising anywhere in Russia. (and perhaps actually send military supplies).
Also, of this would require firing any bullets or risking any troops. It would also be great practice for western militaries.
Sure you are risking escalation, but Russia knows they can't fight everyone even with their tight allies of Iran and NK. I doubt their shadow allies helping them economically are going to enter.
I don't think it would like instantly win the war or anything like that, but I think it would put immense pressure on Putin and his strategic staff. Waste huge amount of their resources, including time and planning, I don't think Russia would escalate because other than nukes they are maxed out and currently they could still turn back, and the powerbrokers can keep getting rich off their peoples cheap labour and selling resources abroad.
The Russian people themselves would be all the sudden scared because Ukraine could and will hit them anywhere and all these other militaries who are fresh are perched right outside their boarders. All the places that hate Russia in Russia might also become emboldened.
Tear my strategy apart, support it. Interested on how you think it would work. (not that you don't think they would do it, because I know and agree with that.)
War strategy buffs, I have a strategy I'd like to propose and get your opinions on how it would work if they did it.
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I have no expectation that this is actually going to happen, I just think it would help and I have not read any what ifs on this scenario. What it would do well and what it would do poorly I'm interested in hearing about. Why they would not do it not so much because I think we all know those 
I think Poland, the Baltics, Norway and Finland should all prepare for war and move their militaries to an obvious offensive position for "war games". Canada and Sweden prepare for taking the Artic. The rest of the countries that support Ukraine should also move their militaries as if to defend the NATO countries.
At the same time they should remove all restrictions on Ukraine from using western made weapons and Ukraine should announce an massive conscription.
I believe this would force Russia to slow their offense and defend against a possible attack. If they do not, it makes it painfully clear that their propaganda of fear of a NATO attack is complete horse shit as they are defending against offensive posturing.
It would energize the Ukrainian people as they would feel supported and as if they had a real chance to defeat Russia.
If Russia keeps going Poland, Finland and others could decide to take back their historic land (or threaten it) unless Russia returns to its pre 2014 boarders. They should also send words of support and promises to support any uprising anywhere in Russia. (and perhaps actually send military supplies).
Also, of this would require firing any bullets or risking any troops. It would also be great practice for western militaries.
Sure you are risking escalation, but Russia knows they can't fight everyone even with their tight allies of Iran and NK. I doubt their shadow allies helping them economically are going to enter.
I don't think it would like instantly win the war or anything like that, but I think it would put immense pressure on Putin and his strategic staff. Waste huge amount of their resources, including time and planning, I don't think Russia would escalate because other than nukes they are maxed out and currently they could still turn back, and the powerbrokers can keep getting rich off their peoples cheap labour and selling resources abroad.
The Russian people themselves would be all the sudden scared because Ukraine could and will hit them anywhere and all these other militaries who are fresh are perched right outside their boarders. All the places that hate Russia in Russia might also become emboldened.
Tear my strategy apart, support it. Interested on how you think it would work. (not that you don't think they would do it, because I know and agree with that.)
Great strategy. Putin then nukes London, Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, Rome effectively ending war and putting Europe in middle ages. If you think US will risk actual extinction in the name of revenge, I would suggest rethinking that.
I guess the war effectively ends when British and French second strike capabilities wipe out all major Russian cities.
Fair chance the US gets fucked by Russian second strike in the following confusion.
No, in that scenario Russia would nuke some midsize border cities from the direction NATO advances, like in Finland and Poland. And probably also Ukraine. Then the war ends because no one else wants to die.
I am sorry but have you seen the map? Russia is effectively more than twice the size of Europe. Also some numbers:
Russia population density:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#:~:text=As of the 2021 census,22 inhabitants/sq mi).
8.5 inhabitants per square kilometre
Europe population density:
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/europe-population/#:~:text=Europe Population (LIVE)&text=The population density in Europe,87 people per mi2).
The population density in Europe is 34 per square kilometre
Russia's population density isn't so low. Hell, it's actually higher than that of the Kingdom of Denmark. Now you may argue that this is misleading because the Kingdom of Denmark includes Greenland which is mostly ice and the vast majority of people live in one area adjacent to Europe. To which I'd reply "didn't you just try to argue about the population density of Russia?"
I wouldn't argue that though. Why would I? The simple fact is that any nuclear strike of Russia on Europe is devastating, while Europe nuclear strike on Russia is sort of a scratch thing.
Europe area: 10.53 million square kilometers
Russia area: Total 17,098,246 square kilometers
Europe area - Russia area: 10,014,000 - 3,952,550 = 6061450 square kilometers
Doesn't that put things into perspective?
No, it doesn’t, because Europe includes Denmark so I win.
First of all: I don't think anybody wins.
Europe being reduced to Greenland doesn't seem like a "win"...
I don’t know, seems like I win because Kingdom of Denmark Sorry buddy but you lose. Get Denmark’d.
I am pretty sure you don't. Europe gets reduced to Greenland and Iceland, while Russia looses maybe Moscow and Leningrad. Hardly seems like an even trade...
Edit: for explanation Leningrad = St Petersburg
You think UK and France only have 2 nukes between them? What makes you think that?
