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NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
November 17 2024 17:04 GMT
#14981
On November 17 2024 21:21 KT_Elwood wrote:
"Fremdschämen"

Result of chancellor Scholz having a talk with Putin (to increase his chances in upcomming election.. with undecided tankies in the socialdemocrat spectrum)

[image loading]


Or maybe the picture was the result of last weeks premier league results?
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4730 Posts
November 17 2024 17:57 GMT
#14982
Or maybe You shouldn't post crap when You don't have anything interesting to say? German foreign policy of enabling and collaborating with Russia has much more to do with this than results of football matches.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden738 Posts
November 17 2024 18:27 GMT
#14983
https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-lifts-ban-ukraine-using-us-arms-strike-inside-russia-2024-11-17/

"Biden lifts ban on Ukraine using US arms to strike inside Russia"

Finally, lets se Russia take som heavy damage inside their territory
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8087 Posts
November 17 2024 19:12 GMT
#14984
If only this was 2 years ago. It's far far too late
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15329 Posts
November 17 2024 19:15 GMT
#14985
Honestly don't get the mass strikes today. Makes decision like this from Biden easier in the last weeks of his presidency. Putin could have kept it at the level of the last few months until his buddy gets the job in January.

Hubris from seeing some form of victory on the horizon?
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden738 Posts
November 17 2024 19:19 GMT
#14986
On November 18 2024 04:12 Excludos wrote:
If only this was 2 years ago. It's far far too late


Its late, but far from to late.

On November 18 2024 04:15 zatic wrote:
Honestly don't get the mass strikes today. Makes decision like this from Biden easier in the last weeks of his presidency. Putin could have kept it at the level of the last few months until his buddy gets the job in January.

Hubris from seeing some form of victory on the horizon?


Biden maybe had a monent of clarity from brainfog, either way. Very good news
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3329 Posts
November 17 2024 19:42 GMT
#14987
On November 18 2024 04:15 zatic wrote:
Honestly don't get the mass strikes today. Makes decision like this from Biden easier in the last weeks of his presidency. Putin could have kept it at the level of the last few months until his buddy gets the job in January.

Hubris from seeing some form of victory on the horizon?

Putin cannot wait until January if he hopes to wreck Ukrainian power grid.
It will take multiple strike, targeting and reloading cycles taking weeks.
Also it might make Trump look bad which could well annoy him.
On November 18 2024 03:27 Kreuger wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-lifts-ban-ukraine-using-us-arms-strike-inside-russia-2024-11-17/

"Biden lifts ban on Ukraine using US arms to strike inside Russia"

Finally, lets se Russia take som heavy damage inside their territory

Ironically decision to allow strikes into Russia takes away the last sick that Trump had on Russia.
After campaigning on reducing aid he can hardly do a 180 and threaten to send another 100 billion $ worth of weapons.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8087 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-17 20:05:11
November 17 2024 20:00 GMT
#14988
On November 18 2024 04:19 Kreuger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2024 04:12 Excludos wrote:
If only this was 2 years ago. It's far far too late


Its late, but far from to late.


Realistically Ukraine have about 2 months until US support stops completely. I have zero faith in the rest of Europe to pick up the slack. We'll likely see the war end not soon after, and unfortunately I don't see it going in Ukraine's favour.

2 months is far too short to turn the tide of the war, even more so in the middle of winter.

We were 1 year away from something great. Fuck, and I can't say this with enough conviction, the traitorous piece of shit named Donald Trump, and every single person who voted for him. And fuck every other backbone-less leader in this awful goddamn world for sitting on their asses watching genocide happen in our neighborhood, because doing the right thing might have caused the prices of eggs to increase.

I am beyond disgusted, and I am beyond angry. So much suffering and pain, for one madman's whim, and everyone else's apathy.
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden738 Posts
November 17 2024 20:14 GMT
#14989
As expected UK/france will follow

France and the U.K. have granted Ukraine permission to conduct deep strikes into Russian territory using their SCALP and Storm Shadow missiles, Le Figaro reported on Nov. 17.

https://kyivindependent.com/uk-france-approve-ukraines-use-of-long-range-missiles-for-strikes-inside-russia-le-figaro-reports/
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany966 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-17 22:22:32
November 17 2024 22:17 GMT
#14990
On November 18 2024 02:57 Silvanel wrote:
Or maybe You shouldn't post crap when You don't have anything interesting to say? German foreign policy of enabling and collaborating with Russia has much more to do with this than results of football matches.


Agreed. Scholz doing Scholz things. Which usually is sitting out the problem until it blows over.


He is now under direct political pressure to release "taurus" because his vice-chancelor and opponent in the next election, Habeck just said that he will give Taurus to Ukraine asap after the election (cheap in his position tbh, but at least something)

US and UK have now lifted restrictions on medium range weapons afaik.

It would have been a stronger move to boldly announce this in unison, instead of one after another.. as with every UA support so far from the NATO countries.

On November 18 2024 04:15 zatic wrote:
Honestly don't get the mass strikes today. Makes decision like this from Biden easier in the last weeks of his presidency. Putin could have kept it at the level of the last few months until his buddy gets the job in January.

Hubris from seeing some form of victory on the horizon?


Nah, Russia is working on "voter's war fatigue" and interprets the Trump win as strong message for the west to cut help for ukraine, and spent it.. on more comfort for their own populations.

50/50 a barrage sends a "see, how much it will cost US to fight THIS" message, instead of a "Fuck you Putler" message.

Also sending just a few drones/missles in smaller waves wouldn't overwhelm defenses.

"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15329 Posts
November 18 2024 07:02 GMT
#14991
Abolutely no way Scholz is giving Taurus to Ukraine, not in the past and even less so today. Any qualitative change in German policy will have to wait until the next government.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10720 Posts
November 18 2024 07:24 GMT
#14992
The SPD's love afair with Russia is sadly still not over. Merkel was too naive but the SPD still has this werid historic friendship with Russia.
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2625 Posts
November 18 2024 08:39 GMT
#14993
If Biden wanted to he could still secure Ukraine without escalation.

Domestic production of shells is now high enough that he could dump the entire remaining strategic stockpile of artillery shells in Europe. Probably 1-2 mn shells, if not more. Could set up a deal so the EU transfers them monthly to Ukraine but if there is a peace deal Ukraine agrees with they go back to the US.
Could do the same for a lot of weapon systems.

Essentially just putting enough arms to carry Ukraine through another year would probably be enough for a fair peace agreement.

Won't happen but it *could* if there was a will for it.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany966 Posts
November 18 2024 11:16 GMT
#14994
I really don't understand why wasting billions and billions on equipment in Afghanistan somehow was favorable for (R) and (D) politicians.. (because Taxpayermoney --> Defense Industry -- > Shareholder profit) and defending acutally liberty and democracy in UA somehow isn't.

"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21703 Posts
November 18 2024 11:41 GMT
#14995
On November 18 2024 20:16 KT_Elwood wrote:
I really don't understand why wasting billions and billions on equipment in Afghanistan somehow was favorable for (R) and (D) politicians.. (because Taxpayermoney --> Defense Industry -- > Shareholder profit) and defending acutally liberty and democracy in UA somehow isn't.

Because Afghanistan was before the R party was bought by Russia. This changed while the US was in Afghanistan and why Trump surrendered to the Taliban and signed the withdraw.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1085 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-18 12:58:34
November 18 2024 12:58 GMT
#14996
I think this thread needs a timely reminder that anything less than Ukraine being turned into a Russian puppet state is a failure for Russia.
"You have to play for yourself, you have to play to get better; you can't play to make other people happy, that's not gonna ever sustain you." - NonY
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8087 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-18 13:32:13
November 18 2024 13:29 GMT
#14997
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/vladimir-shklyarov-death-st-petersburg-ballet-star-fall/

Another one. Such a free and lovely country. Just don't make any criticism to your dear leader, or it's the window for you! This isn't even a politician. Just a random civilian with a medium amount of followers because he dances ballet. So what was his extreme criticism that warranted murder?

“Friends! I am against the war in Ukraine!"

Yeah that'll do it.
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9505 Posts
November 18 2024 14:24 GMT
#14998
On November 18 2024 22:29 Excludos wrote:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/vladimir-shklyarov-death-st-petersburg-ballet-star-fall/

Another one. Such a free and lovely country. Just don't make any criticism to your dear leader, or it's the window for you! This isn't even a politician. Just a random civilian with a medium amount of followers because he dances ballet. So what was his extreme criticism that warranted murder?

“Friends! I am against the war in Ukraine!"

Yeah that'll do it.

It says in the article he said that in 2022? If so, that's a weird timing for Putin to do something about that now.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10720 Posts
November 18 2024 15:12 GMT
#14999
There is probably a pretty big backlog of assassinations at the KGB atm, can only do so many a month with the personel they got.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4730 Posts
November 18 2024 15:19 GMT
#15000
There is also a lot of infighting among various factions inside Russia. Surly not all those deaths are related to Putin.
Pathetic Greta hater.
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