• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 02:23
CET 08:23
KST 16:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)15Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1833
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets When will we find out if there are more tournament SC2 Spotted on the EWC 2026 list?
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone Potential ASL qualifier breakthroughs?
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Physical Exercise (HIIT) Bef…
TrAiDoS
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1267 users

Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 750

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 748 749 750 751 752 911 Next
NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
November 17 2024 17:04 GMT
#14981
On November 17 2024 21:21 KT_Elwood wrote:
"Fremdschämen"

Result of chancellor Scholz having a talk with Putin (to increase his chances in upcomming election.. with undecided tankies in the socialdemocrat spectrum)

[image loading]


Or maybe the picture was the result of last weeks premier league results?
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4740 Posts
November 17 2024 17:57 GMT
#14982
Or maybe You shouldn't post crap when You don't have anything interesting to say? German foreign policy of enabling and collaborating with Russia has much more to do with this than results of football matches.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden803 Posts
November 17 2024 18:27 GMT
#14983
https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-lifts-ban-ukraine-using-us-arms-strike-inside-russia-2024-11-17/

"Biden lifts ban on Ukraine using US arms to strike inside Russia"

Finally, lets se Russia take som heavy damage inside their territory
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8231 Posts
November 17 2024 19:12 GMT
#14984
If only this was 2 years ago. It's far far too late
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15359 Posts
November 17 2024 19:15 GMT
#14985
Honestly don't get the mass strikes today. Makes decision like this from Biden easier in the last weeks of his presidency. Putin could have kept it at the level of the last few months until his buddy gets the job in January.

Hubris from seeing some form of victory on the horizon?
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden803 Posts
November 17 2024 19:19 GMT
#14986
On November 18 2024 04:12 Excludos wrote:
If only this was 2 years ago. It's far far too late


Its late, but far from to late.

On November 18 2024 04:15 zatic wrote:
Honestly don't get the mass strikes today. Makes decision like this from Biden easier in the last weeks of his presidency. Putin could have kept it at the level of the last few months until his buddy gets the job in January.

Hubris from seeing some form of victory on the horizon?


Biden maybe had a monent of clarity from brainfog, either way. Very good news
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3380 Posts
November 17 2024 19:42 GMT
#14987
On November 18 2024 04:15 zatic wrote:
Honestly don't get the mass strikes today. Makes decision like this from Biden easier in the last weeks of his presidency. Putin could have kept it at the level of the last few months until his buddy gets the job in January.

Hubris from seeing some form of victory on the horizon?

Putin cannot wait until January if he hopes to wreck Ukrainian power grid.
It will take multiple strike, targeting and reloading cycles taking weeks.
Also it might make Trump look bad which could well annoy him.
On November 18 2024 03:27 Kreuger wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-lifts-ban-ukraine-using-us-arms-strike-inside-russia-2024-11-17/

"Biden lifts ban on Ukraine using US arms to strike inside Russia"

Finally, lets se Russia take som heavy damage inside their territory

Ironically decision to allow strikes into Russia takes away the last sick that Trump had on Russia.
After campaigning on reducing aid he can hardly do a 180 and threaten to send another 100 billion $ worth of weapons.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8231 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-17 20:05:11
November 17 2024 20:00 GMT
#14988
On November 18 2024 04:19 Kreuger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2024 04:12 Excludos wrote:
If only this was 2 years ago. It's far far too late


Its late, but far from to late.


Realistically Ukraine have about 2 months until US support stops completely. I have zero faith in the rest of Europe to pick up the slack. We'll likely see the war end not soon after, and unfortunately I don't see it going in Ukraine's favour.

2 months is far too short to turn the tide of the war, even more so in the middle of winter.

We were 1 year away from something great. Fuck, and I can't say this with enough conviction, the traitorous piece of shit named Donald Trump, and every single person who voted for him. And fuck every other backbone-less leader in this awful goddamn world for sitting on their asses watching genocide happen in our neighborhood, because doing the right thing might have caused the prices of eggs to increase.

I am beyond disgusted, and I am beyond angry. So much suffering and pain, for one madman's whim, and everyone else's apathy.
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden803 Posts
November 17 2024 20:14 GMT
#14989
As expected UK/france will follow

France and the U.K. have granted Ukraine permission to conduct deep strikes into Russian territory using their SCALP and Storm Shadow missiles, Le Figaro reported on Nov. 17.

https://kyivindependent.com/uk-france-approve-ukraines-use-of-long-range-missiles-for-strikes-inside-russia-le-figaro-reports/
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-17 22:22:32
November 17 2024 22:17 GMT
#14990
On November 18 2024 02:57 Silvanel wrote:
Or maybe You shouldn't post crap when You don't have anything interesting to say? German foreign policy of enabling and collaborating with Russia has much more to do with this than results of football matches.


Agreed. Scholz doing Scholz things. Which usually is sitting out the problem until it blows over.


He is now under direct political pressure to release "taurus" because his vice-chancelor and opponent in the next election, Habeck just said that he will give Taurus to Ukraine asap after the election (cheap in his position tbh, but at least something)

US and UK have now lifted restrictions on medium range weapons afaik.

It would have been a stronger move to boldly announce this in unison, instead of one after another.. as with every UA support so far from the NATO countries.

On November 18 2024 04:15 zatic wrote:
Honestly don't get the mass strikes today. Makes decision like this from Biden easier in the last weeks of his presidency. Putin could have kept it at the level of the last few months until his buddy gets the job in January.

Hubris from seeing some form of victory on the horizon?


Nah, Russia is working on "voter's war fatigue" and interprets the Trump win as strong message for the west to cut help for ukraine, and spent it.. on more comfort for their own populations.

50/50 a barrage sends a "see, how much it will cost US to fight THIS" message, instead of a "Fuck you Putler" message.

Also sending just a few drones/missles in smaller waves wouldn't overwhelm defenses.

"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15359 Posts
November 18 2024 07:02 GMT
#14991
Abolutely no way Scholz is giving Taurus to Ukraine, not in the past and even less so today. Any qualitative change in German policy will have to wait until the next government.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10834 Posts
November 18 2024 07:24 GMT
#14992
The SPD's love afair with Russia is sadly still not over. Merkel was too naive but the SPD still has this werid historic friendship with Russia.
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2702 Posts
November 18 2024 08:39 GMT
#14993
If Biden wanted to he could still secure Ukraine without escalation.

Domestic production of shells is now high enough that he could dump the entire remaining strategic stockpile of artillery shells in Europe. Probably 1-2 mn shells, if not more. Could set up a deal so the EU transfers them monthly to Ukraine but if there is a peace deal Ukraine agrees with they go back to the US.
Could do the same for a lot of weapon systems.

Essentially just putting enough arms to carry Ukraine through another year would probably be enough for a fair peace agreement.

Won't happen but it *could* if there was a will for it.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1105 Posts
November 18 2024 11:16 GMT
#14994
I really don't understand why wasting billions and billions on equipment in Afghanistan somehow was favorable for (R) and (D) politicians.. (because Taxpayermoney --> Defense Industry -- > Shareholder profit) and defending acutally liberty and democracy in UA somehow isn't.

"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22048 Posts
November 18 2024 11:41 GMT
#14995
On November 18 2024 20:16 KT_Elwood wrote:
I really don't understand why wasting billions and billions on equipment in Afghanistan somehow was favorable for (R) and (D) politicians.. (because Taxpayermoney --> Defense Industry -- > Shareholder profit) and defending acutally liberty and democracy in UA somehow isn't.

Because Afghanistan was before the R party was bought by Russia. This changed while the US was in Afghanistan and why Trump surrendered to the Taliban and signed the withdraw.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1382 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-18 12:58:34
November 18 2024 12:58 GMT
#14996
I think this thread needs a timely reminder that anything less than Ukraine being turned into a Russian puppet state is a failure for Russia.
puking up frothing vitriolic sarcastic spittle
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8231 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-18 13:32:13
November 18 2024 13:29 GMT
#14997
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/vladimir-shklyarov-death-st-petersburg-ballet-star-fall/

Another one. Such a free and lovely country. Just don't make any criticism to your dear leader, or it's the window for you! This isn't even a politician. Just a random civilian with a medium amount of followers because he dances ballet. So what was his extreme criticism that warranted murder?

“Friends! I am against the war in Ukraine!"

Yeah that'll do it.
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9527 Posts
November 18 2024 14:24 GMT
#14998
On November 18 2024 22:29 Excludos wrote:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/vladimir-shklyarov-death-st-petersburg-ballet-star-fall/

Another one. Such a free and lovely country. Just don't make any criticism to your dear leader, or it's the window for you! This isn't even a politician. Just a random civilian with a medium amount of followers because he dances ballet. So what was his extreme criticism that warranted murder?

“Friends! I am against the war in Ukraine!"

Yeah that'll do it.

It says in the article he said that in 2022? If so, that's a weird timing for Putin to do something about that now.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10834 Posts
November 18 2024 15:12 GMT
#14999
There is probably a pretty big backlog of assassinations at the KGB atm, can only do so many a month with the personel they got.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4740 Posts
November 18 2024 15:19 GMT
#15000
There is also a lot of infighting among various factions inside Russia. Surly not all those deaths are related to Putin.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Prev 1 748 749 750 751 752 911 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 37m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
actioN 682
Noble 269
Zeus 232
Larva 217
Shuttle 78
Sharp 70
ZergMaN 60
Bale 24
NotJumperer 11
GoRush 10
League of Legends
JimRising 694
C9.Mang0547
Other Games
summit1g4332
Livibee122
Mew2King110
NeuroSwarm74
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1250
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 60
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 50
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1175
• Stunt527
Upcoming Events
OSC
4h 37m
SKillous vs ArT
ArT vs Babymarine
NightMare vs TriGGeR
YoungYakov vs TBD
All-Star Invitational
18h 52m
INnoVation vs soO
Serral vs herO
Cure vs Solar
sOs vs Scarlett
Classic vs Clem
Reynor vs Maru
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 4h
AI Arena Tournament
1d 12h
All-Star Invitational
1d 18h
MMA vs DongRaeGu
Rogue vs Oliveira
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-14
Big Gabe Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W4
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025

Upcoming

Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
SC2 All-Star Inv. 2025
Nations Cup 2026
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.