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a_ch
Russian Federation240 Posts
On May 22 2024 23:31 Velr wrote: So what you want to say is... Your client state is not behaving as you wish so you gotta squash it? Golden. -do you know a definition of a client state, or you're suffering from iodine deficite even before the nukes have started? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10831 Posts
Luckily your country is so corrupt and inefficient, it made itself look pathetic and weak and is doing so every day since. Thats why you now bring up nukes at every chance possible. | ||
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a_ch
Russian Federation240 Posts
On May 22 2024 23:51 Velr wrote: It's what Russia tried to turn Ukraine into (again) before the Maidan... And then decided to start a war because Putin felt like his peepee was insulted. Luckily your country is so corrupt and inefficient, it made itself look pathetic and weak and is doing so every day since. Thats why you now bring up nukes at every chance possible. >>It's what Russia tried to turn Ukraine into (again) before the Maidan --mm, perhaps by selling gas to it at one-third of the market price? Or giving easy access to domestic markets? >>Luckily your country is so corrupt and inefficient, it made itself look pathetic and weak and is doing so every day since. -omg. Stop projecting your problems at others please | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5736 Posts
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KwarK
United States43437 Posts
On May 23 2024 00:12 a_ch wrote: >>It's what Russia tried to turn Ukraine into (again) before the Maidan --mm, perhaps by selling gas to it at one-third of the market price? Or giving easy access to domestic markets? >>Luckily your country is so corrupt and inefficient, it made itself look pathetic and weak and is doing so every day since. -omg. Stop projecting your problems to others please Time to ask yourself why they still don’t like you, despite cheap gas. If you’re confused why an Eastern European might not like Russian domination, even though you offer them cheap gas, just ask a Pole. Or a Lithuanian. Or an Estonian. Or a Finn. Or a Latvian. Or a Tartar. It’s weird that everyone who has significant interactions with Russia seems to not like them. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria835 Posts
On May 23 2024 00:12 a_ch wrote: >>It's what Russia tried to turn Ukraine into (again) before the Maidan --mm, perhaps by selling gas to it at one-third of the market price? Or giving easy access to domestic markets? >>Luckily your country is so corrupt and inefficient, it made itself look pathetic and weak and is doing so every day since. -omg. Stop projecting your problems to others please Again, how many of Russians are willing to speak their mind about politics? Last time I checked, most declared themselves apolitical (most likely due to fear). If Russia had any freedom to choose a president, allegedly even a donkey would be a better president than Putin, there wouldn't be so many "mysterious" cases like Navalny, Politkovskaya, Nemtsov, etc. Kremlin's regime can only survive with an external enemy and you act like a puppet right now, you do as the government tells you - blame Ukraine, blame west, blame anyone but Kremlin. By the way, I did a quick check on GDP per capita and Russia's GDP per capita in 2022 was the same as in 2013. It's probably less now after sanctions, so keep supporting war and you'll live even poorer. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11712 Posts
On May 23 2024 00:49 maybenexttime wrote: It's funny how our delusional fascists go completely mask off from time to time. ;-) True. It is kind of insane to see someone actually argue the hardcore Russian fascist line and apparently being serious. You always imagine that that point of view must be exaggerated in western media, because surely no one could be so callous and deluded at the same time. And then we get a_ch just spouting that absurd bullshit one to one. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5736 Posts
On May 23 2024 02:02 Simberto wrote: True. It is kind of insane to see someone actually argue the hardcore Russian fascist line and apparently being serious. You always imagine that that point of view must be exaggerated in western media, because surely no one could be so callous and deluded at the same time. And then we get a_ch just spouting that absurd bullshit one to one. But remember, he's not a war supporter! ;-) | ||
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a_ch
Russian Federation240 Posts
On May 23 2024 01:48 SC-Shield wrote: Again, how many of Russians are willing to speak their mind about politics? Last time I checked, most declared themselves apolitical (most likely due to fear). If Russia had any freedom to choose a president, allegedly even a donkey would be a better president than Putin, there wouldn't be so many "mysterious" cases like Navalny, Politkovskaya, Nemtsov, etc. Kremlin's regime can only survive with an external enemy and you act like a puppet right now, you do as the government tells you - blame Ukraine, blame west, blame anyone but Kremlin. By the way, I did a quick check on GDP per capita and Russia's GDP per capita in 2022 was the same as in 2013. It's probably less now after sanctions, so keep supporting war and you'll live even poorer. >>Again, how many of Russians are willing to speak their mind about politics? -you can check yourself by going to some social media like Pikabu or others. Its a bit complicated though, as some have large bot armies both pro- and anti-Kremlin, but still possible to get an idea on the overall picture. The claim on apolitical is not very solid; definitely many people would be cautious in a street interview (I assume you refer to 1420), but there are plenty of discussions in the internet. For example, you may create a poll and check Putin's popularity yourself without a problem >>there wouldn't be so many "mysterious" cases like Navalny, Politkovskaya, Nemtsov, etc. -like Boeing witnesses, or recent pro-russian politicians in the world? Politics is a very dirty thing, when the stakes are high >> you do as the government tells you - blame Ukraine, blame west, blame anyone but Kremlin. -at least I've spent enormous time at trying to sort this thing out to get at my current position. Still could be wrong at some details though >>By the way, I did a quick check on GDP per capita and Russia's GDP per capita in 2022 was the same as in 2013 -GDPpc is quite an illusive thing. For example, when I was crossing the Belarus-Lithuania border in 2022, I expecteda sharp increase in the surronding wealth (as the GDPpc in Lithuania is about 4 times higher), but the reality was quite opposite. Still, Russia is developing quite well recently, annual growth above 3% is decent. Me particular - in the recent 6 years I've built a 2floor summer house and bought (completely paid a mortgage) a 3room apartment in Moscow among the others | ||
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Luolis
Finland7154 Posts
On May 22 2024 23:29 a_ch wrote: -kek. The difference is, we are forced to get into this shit because of a rabid neighbour, who has been nurtured by the US My guy, you are the rabid neighbour. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17593 Posts
On May 23 2024 02:02 Simberto wrote: True. It is kind of insane to see someone actually argue the hardcore Russian fascist line and apparently being serious. You always imagine that that point of view must be exaggerated in western media, because surely no one could be so callous and deluded at the same time. And then we get a_ch just spouting that absurd bullshit one to one. I know a few apparently well-educated people from US, Sweden and Poland who are also swallowing Russian point of view like young pelicans. I guess unsurprisingly they're also people who tend to read Trump's biography like a Bible, revere Elon Musk like a god and are staunch supporters of more right-wing stuff. I don't know why but somehow those few things almost always go together. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5736 Posts
On May 23 2024 05:44 Manit0u wrote: I know a few apparently well-educated people from US, Sweden and Poland who are also swallowing Russian point of view like young pelicans. I guess unsurprisingly they're also people who tend to read Trump's biography like a Bible, revere Elon Musk like a god and are staunch supporters of more right-wing stuff. I don't know why but somehow those few things almost always go together. Oftentimes it's because those ideas are being pushed by the same propaganda outlets. I'm sure you've seen how lots of anti-vax social media accounts switched to Russian propaganda overnight when Russia invaded. | ||
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a_ch
Russian Federation240 Posts
On May 23 2024 05:44 Manit0u wrote: I know a few apparently well-educated people from US, Sweden and Poland who are also swallowing Russian point of view like young pelicans. I guess unsurprisingly they're also people who tend to read Trump's biography like a Bible, revere Elon Musk like a god and are staunch supporters of more right-wing stuff. I don't know why but somehow those few things almost always go together. -see, my problem, where all the arguing with you guys starts, is that you either know just a small part of the picture, or a completely misguided one. For example, >>What are you even talking about? After the Russian invasion Ukraine signed all of the Minsk agreements but it was Russia who renewed the conflict, invaded again and forced Minsk II (which Ukraine also signed). -but this is completely wrong. Ukrainians put their forces to surround Donetsk and sever it from the border, despite the peace agreement. Then of course Russia had to intervene, because otherwise DPR forces would have been encircled and crushed, so this actually has happened with the ukrainian group (Debaltsevo 2015) How can we not argue, when we know these basic facts so differently? And this just means that one of us has been lied to a lot, - but in case I'm wrong, someone could just provide the facts. Instead there is nothing factual (and new to me), just some most impatient guys throwing shit from times to times. And in the case you are wrong - well, why not admit it, and revise your worldviews? I generally believe that the western media and politicians has fallen very low, to the levels well beyond late USSR in creating an alternative reality. >>I know a few apparently well-educated people from US, Sweden and Poland who are also swallowing Russian point of view like young pelicans. I guess unsurprisingly they're also people who tend to read Trump's biography like a Bible, revere Elon Musk like a god and are staunch supporters of more right-wing stuff. -I know almost nothing about Trump, and a little more about Musk, but well respect the 2nd; he's a very deep thinker among other qualities imho | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17593 Posts
On May 23 2024 06:14 a_ch wrote: -I know almost nothing about Trump, and a little more about Musk, but well respect the 2nd; he's a very deep thinker among other qualities imho I rest my case. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17593 Posts
Some unfiltered info from the front (without hopium). It doesn't look very good and the situation is pretty dire. What the dudes are saying is like straight from some SF horror movie. Soldiers hiding in ruins, can't even poke their head out because the drones are hunting 24/7, especially at night. Like the rest of the humanity hiding in ruined buildings and all you hear in the darkness is the buzzing of the drones. I assume after the war people will have some serious PTSD. | ||
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Nezgar
Germany535 Posts
To be fair to him: His czar also admires a literal Nazi thinker, so their attraction to deluded fascists is well known by this point. There is no common ground to be found. The only question at this point is whether they believe the bullshit that they peddle. If we take zeo as an example, the sad reality is that they very likely actually believe their own propaganda and blindly regurgitate those talking points. Ukraine is both so strong that it is an existential threat to Russia and its interest, but also so weak that it is a mere puppet of the west and cannot make their own decisions. Their proxies are both an integral part of Russia and thus have been incorporated into Russia itself, but also separate, independent republics that need to be protected and deserve their own seat at the table. And you can tell how bad they are at this mixed messaging. Those are meant for different audiences but they seem to actually adopt this duality as their own belief and try to exist in both realities at once. It is such a bizarre phenomenon when their held beliefs are mutually incompatible and they see absolutely no flaw in that. This is the kind of brain rot that makes them see Musk, of all people, as a deep thinker. Or perhaps they simply recognize a fellow lunatic and yearn for the comfort of like-minded people in a world that is openly hostile to fascism - though less so lately, unfortunately. | ||
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KwarK
United States43437 Posts
F16s will hopefully redress the balance by giving a much larger air denial range. | ||
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ZeroByte13
780 Posts
(I haven't watched all of it but about 50% in the middle, section with drawing on the maps) What I mean is that for the most part of the video they're talking about how - RAF makes consistent progress - there's simply not enough people/equipment to cover all fronts so soldiers have to be moved from the southern border (which is also under threat) to the northern one - there's a high chance of this area being encircled, this very important city being levelled soon, and Ukraine just cannot lose it, etc. Of course I have no idea if everything of this is true. But if it is, it kinda paints a pretty rough picture in terms of predictions. And then they say Ukraine just needs more equipment/weapons to push Russia back. But it feels like even stabilizing and minimizing losses is a very hard task judging by the words, let alone pushing back. Am I missing something? What kind of weapons or equipment can overturn current seemingly pretty dire trends? | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17593 Posts
On May 23 2024 09:17 ZeroByte13 wrote: Am I missing something? What kind of weapons or equipment can overturn current seemingly pretty dire trends? What they said was that the equipment is trickling in too slowly and that they were really hurt when USA was not delivering anything for 6+ months because of internal political disputes. Ukraine needs more manpower but the mobilization has been slow going since even people who are willing to go to war are holding off because of equipment shortages (and are told by the people on the front lines to hold off until this is sorted). They have the men to draft but don't have enough basic stuff to properly equip them (ammo, grenades, first aid) so it would be like sending them to their deaths needlessly (something Russia has no problem with). Right now people on the front are fighting with 1/3 to 1/5 of the minimum necessary equipment on them and are missing vehicles so have to slog it which is seriously hampering their efforts. If those really basic equipment needs are satisfied Ukraine should be able to stabilize and even push the Russians back. They're just hoping it won't come too late. TLDR: Situation isn't good but it's not unrecoverable. | ||
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0x64
Finland4601 Posts
On May 22 2024 22:42 a_ch wrote: >>Interesting point that only shows that the whole peace of the world is only in the hand of the west. Either the west is strong enough that the fight does not make sense, or the west will be eliminated by a surprise attack whenever a paranoid leader decide that the fight is inevitable. -do not forget to pay tributes to your western great white masters. And also don't complain when your PM asks to install US nuclear weapons (to which Finns would not have any access in case it is approved), and your cities become permanently targeted by retaliatory nukes. But what I'm talking about, I forgot you live in a client state, so well-being of the citizens is of secondary importance. >>I think this is the core issue that divides us so strongly. You see it as a local conflict that Ukrainians have brought to themselves. We see it as an open door to world war 3. >>But you have 144 millions hold the world hostage -I'm totally disappointed in your intellectual level. It is even funny, how you missed China in this list - perhaps in a glimpse that the people count starts to be scewed in the opposite direction? Sure, I'm french living in France married to Russian but go ahead and nuke Finland because my teamliquid profiles says Finland. How about just not nuking people ok? In what way would you include china in the list of Russian allies. They are not selling you weapons. Other than that they are included in my post if you'd read it and understood but you are seeing red. Take a moment to cool down. Russia had already achieved it's goal to show the west that it can be a nuisance. | ||
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