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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 24 2022 15:47 GMT
#1321
So how would they do this? Does Russia keep its' Gold Reserves in other countries?

The West should consider ways to stop Russia using its gold reserves to prop up the rouble, the prime minister said.

Boris Johnson's comments came as the UK announced sanctions on 65 more groups and individuals, including a private military firm and a major Russian bank.

Speaking ahead of a Nato summit, the PM said the UK and the West must "tighten the economic vice" on Vladimir Putin.

He said Russia crossed "red lines" by targeting Ukrainian civilians and tough steps now could help shorten the war.

In addition to the new raft of financial sanctions, the UK government has announced plans to send 6,000 more missiles to Ukraine.

Leaders from Nato, the EU, and the G7 are holding emergency meetings in Brussels to discuss the ongoing situation in Ukraine.

On Thursday, Nato announced the creation of new battle groups in Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, and Slovakia, while Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky used a virtual address to urge the bloc to increase its supply of military equipment.

Ahead of the talks, Mr Johnson said that, by deliberately bombing civilian centres, Putin had "already crossed the red line into barbarism".

"We've got to step up. We've got to increase our support," he said.

"We've got to tighten the economic vice around Putin, sanctioning more people today, as we are, sanctioning the Wagner Group, looking at what we can do to stop Putin using his gold reserves."

In an interview with LBC, he added: "We need to do more economically.

"Can we do more to stop him [Putin] using his gold reserves, for instance, in addition to his cash reserves? The more pressure we apply now, particularly on things like gold, I believe the more we can shorten the war … And then we need to do more to give the Ukrainians military support."

As Mr Putin invaded Ukraine, the Russian Central Bank deployed some of its $640bn war chest of currency and gold reserves to prop up the Russian rouble.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11590 Posts
March 24 2022 15:51 GMT
#1322
I doubt it.

By my rough understanding, you need to spend the gold to buy stuff or rubles to prop up the ruble.

My guess would be that if you have enough countries agree to not take the russian gold, that lowers the value of it on the market, making it less useful for propping up the ruble.

You might also be able to set up a system where if anyone does buy that gold, sanctions hit them, further reducing the value of the russian gold.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-24 16:27:44
March 24 2022 16:26 GMT
#1323
The Gold is owned by the Russian central bank, which is sanctioned and therefore Western banks and other entities cant trade with them and they can also not access the big Gold markets in London and NY.

Secondly everyone buying it has to be afraid or secondary sanctions and thirdly, simply nobody needs that much Gold that quickly. At least not without getting huge discounts.
The Russians dramatically decreased their USD reserves for enormous amounts of Gold in the last 15 years. They now have 2300 tons, which makes them the third biggest owner of Gold in the world, behind the US and Germany ( btw 50% of the German Gold is not stored in Germany but in London/NY, until few years ago there was also a significant amount in Paris, but that was moved back to Frankfurt)
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43145 Posts
March 24 2022 17:12 GMT
#1324
It’s not normal to physically possess your gold because it’s a bitch to guard, move, and trade. Makes more sense to have all the gold in one location and just update which country it belongs to when it is traded.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 24 2022 17:50 GMT
#1325
So Biden supports Russia being removed form the G20.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 24 2022 18:04 GMT
#1326
The scale of destruction in Mariupol... Harrowing images from a drone. How can anyone choose to start something like this.

Neosteel Enthusiast
ZoeHansen
Profile Joined March 2022
United States5 Posts
March 24 2022 18:59 GMT
#1327
--- Nuked ---
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17378 Posts
March 24 2022 22:13 GMT
#1328
On March 25 2022 03:59 ZoeHansen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2022 03:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The scale of destruction in Mariupol... Harrowing images from a drone. How can anyone choose to start something like this.

https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1507004139322019850


Putin is a killer, he never cares about people's lives...


That's kind of a tradition for the Russians though. People's lives never really mattered much there, especially after the revolution.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17378 Posts
March 24 2022 22:38 GMT
#1329
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky urged NATO on Thursday to provide Kyiv with unrestricted military aid after Russia has used phosphorous bombs.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/russia-using-phosphorus-bombs-in-ukraine-says-ukraine-president-2840806
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 24 2022 23:21 GMT
#1330
The snake island soldiers have apparently being freed via a Prisoner swap.

Russia and Ukraine exchanged 10 prisoners of war each on Thursday in what Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk called the first full-fledged swap of the month-old conflict.

The exchange also freed 19 Ukrainian civilian sailors who were captured as their ship tried to take Ukrainian troops off of Snake Island in late February.

Ukraine released 11 Russian civilian sailors as part of the deal, Vereshchuk said as she announced the transfer. The civilians had been rescued from a ship that sank near Odesa, she said.

Russia's takeover of Snake Island, also known as Zmiinyi Island, was much-discussed in the first days of the war after Ukrainian soldiers at the small military outpost in the Black Sea defied threats from a looming Russian vessel by flatly telling it, "Russian warship. Go f*** yourself."

The soldiers were initially feared to have been killed, but Russian state media later reported that they had been taken prisoner.

It wasn't immediately clear whether any Ukrainian soldiers from the island outpost were among the captives who were exchanged on Thursday — but Ukraine's border guard agency said earlier in the day that Vereshchuk was working to free soldiers who had been on Snake Island.

The Ukrainian civilian sailors freed by Russia had been aboard the Sapphire, a ship that sailed to the island on a search and rescue mission but was itself captured. As part of the exchange, Russian forces will release their ship, sending it to a dock in Turkey, Vereshchuk said.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria832 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-24 23:36:15
March 24 2022 23:26 GMT
#1331
Reporting what local supporters of Kremlin politics say in social media:

1. Myth: Bulgaria should be neutral. It's a war between USA and Russia.
Answer: Wrong, Bulgaria is part of NATO. It's a war between democracy and dictatorship.

2. Myth: Supplying weapons to Ukraine would make us join this war.
Answer: Sadly, we've not donated any weapons to Ukraine yet due to this myth and difficult coalition in power. It's also not true because Russia has declared the whole of EU as "unfriendly countries". We're already "enemies" even without supplying weapons. Heck, even neutral Finland has provided equipment/weapons to Ukraine.

3. Myth: But.. but.. NATO bombed Serbia. Russia is just protecting their interests against ever expanding NATO (old counter-argument)
Answer: Russia doesn't care about NATO. If they cared about NATO, they would increase their military spending as well. It's a farce, this anti-west, anti-NATO rhetoric from Putin to drive his interests and to continue repression.

Answers are mine. It's so easy to spot Kremlin propaganda nowadays.

On the positive side, we have got 10,000 people protesting against war today. More protests are expected over the weekend. Many people seem to bring Bulgarian and Ukrainian flags.

Also, I'm proud of Polish people who post here and Polish foreign policy right now, even if a bit hardcore at times. They clearly know Kremlin's crap all too well.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4732 Posts
March 25 2022 09:01 GMT
#1332
Things are moving fast - EU signs new deal with US for liquified gas in order to reduce reliance on Russian gas. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60871601

That of course wont be enough, but is a move in right direction.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7914 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-25 12:29:34
March 25 2022 12:29 GMT
#1333
On March 25 2022 18:01 Silvanel wrote:
Things are moving fast - EU signs new deal with US for liquified gas in order to reduce reliance on Russian gas. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60871601

That of course wont be enough, but is a move in right direction.

Warmer days are also coming. Putin had as tight timing between the end of the olympics and the moment europeans would stop having to heat their homes, and they most definitely run out of time with their last bit of leverage.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-25 14:03:41
March 25 2022 14:02 GMT
#1334
On March 25 2022 21:29 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2022 18:01 Silvanel wrote:
Things are moving fast - EU signs new deal with US for liquified gas in order to reduce reliance on Russian gas. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60871601

That of course wont be enough, but is a move in right direction.

Warmer days are also coming. Putin had as tight timing between the end of the olympics and the moment europeans would stop having to heat their homes, and they most definitely run out of time with their last bit of leverage.

Gas is used elsewhere. Not just heating/electricity. It's a part of the industrial system.

Also - Russia didn't stop gas and yet 2 days ago they stopped all the trains in Germany because of not enough electricity in the grid. And that's with the gas coming.

e.g. one of the carriers:
We have to inform you about a stopped operation of all freight trains in electric traction in a transport-wise important part of Germany due to a lack of traction energy in DB Netz power supply system. Currently, all METRANS trains are affected.

https://metrans.eu/restrictions-on-db-netz-infrastructure/

Edit> news about this here:
https://www.railfreight.com/railfreight/2022/03/23/german-rail-freight-stops-temporarily-after-electricity-outage/

We need pipelines, not some ships, the European consumption is huge.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 25 2022 14:42 GMT
#1335
If this story is to be believed then the economy is in worse shape that what Russia says, nor are the people that misinformed as people speculate.

With their currency in freefall, many in Russia's middle-class decided it was better to store value in goods rather than stash their hard-earned rubles under the mattress.

"I bought myself a new iPhone 13. My previous one was very old and broken," Shatalov said. "I bought a Samsung tablet. We also had our BMW serviced, and we bought new tires."

Alec Shevrin, a managing director at an investment bank in Moscow, splurged on a brand-new Lexus plug-in hybrid and a dishwasher.

"My wife and I both have newish cars, so we don't really need it," Shevrin told Insider. "But we have all these rubles, and I would rather buy something now than watch them become completely worthless."

Many Muscovites have also been stockpiling food and essentials in anticipation of shortages

Some supermarkets across Russia are already reporting a deficit in sugar and "grechka," or buckwheat, a popular Russian staple.

"We stocked up on canned corn and some olive oil," Shatalov said. "My daughter suffers from celiac disease, and it was always hard to find gluten-free stuff over here in Russia. Now it will become impossible, so we bought as much gluten-free reserves as we could."

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Viktoria Abramchenko warned on Monday against panic-buying as a number of supermarkets reported shortages due to a surge in consumer demand.

Shatalov and his family are not planning to leave the country anytime soon due to fear of Russophobia — anti-Russian sentiment — and a concern that the remaining few airlines operating in Russia are not very safe.

"I'm afraid someone will hear me speaking Russian and will slap me on my face right in the middle of the restaurant," he said. "Also, I don't want to encounter Ukrainians, and there are now millions of them in Europe. They have every right to be angry at us."

Inability to access funds is adding to frustrations

Shatalov has been able to withdraw all of his valuable foreign-exchange savings from Sberbank and VTB, Russia's two largest lenders. But he said Citi in Russia is allowing him to withdraw only a fraction of his six-figure savings.

"Citi has effectively defaulted on me," he said. "They refused not only to give me back my US dollars; they also played for time. They didn't give me a date in the future when I could come to get my money. Now Citi said I could come by on April 1 to collect just $10,000."

As a foreign citizen, the banker Chris Watson (not his real name), 43, will need a special permit to buy and sell his holdings in securities and real estate under strict new laws passed by the Kremlin.

"I bought an apartment last year in Moscow off-plans, and now I am trying to transfer it to my daughter's name, as she is a Russian citizen," said Watson, who has lived in the capital for 15 years.

Arkady Kazmin (not his real name), a senior banker at one of the few remaining foreign lenders in Moscow, is furious at the West for introducing sanctions that are hurting the very people who oppose the war.

"The sanctions introduced by Visa and Mastercard are financially paralyzing my friends who are journalists, artists, and opposition figures trying to flee the country," said Kazmin, who is planning to relocate to Dubai. "Tough life choices have been made much tougher because they can't access their funds to relocate."

The alternative payment networks to Visa and Mastercard are Russia's Mir and China's UnionPay, but reports about both are mixed at best.

"It's a rare bank that accepts these cards, and it's only accepted on most popular tourist routes and at huge shopping malls, which I tend to avoid," Shatalov said. "One needs to really want to travel to use Union, and I'm not that eager — I have traveled the world and will somehow survive."

Almost everyone Insider spoke with in Moscow cited soaring inflation as the most egregious problem

The Central Bank of Russia, which doubled the key interest rate to 20% after the invasion, will meet again on Friday to decide whether to raise rates again.

"We have been really light on risk, and we are overweight on oil, but inflation hurts everyone," said Konstantin Gusev (not his real name), a 47-year-old fund manager. "This you can't trade."

For Gusev, the crisis is a lethal cocktail reminiscent of the 1998 sovereign default, the 2008 credit crunch, and the break-up of Yukos, the oil company formerly owned by the Russian oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky, who famously fell out with President Vladimir Putin.

"We are at the point of no return," said Gusev, who has sent his son to Israel to escape conscription. "And I saw the Yukos destruction when no one said it would happen. Once the machine starts, you can't stop it. That's the risk now."

Putin warned last week that Russians should be prepared for an increase in unemployment over the coming weeks, blaming the West and Russian "traitors" for attacking Russia and the Russian economy.

Putin on Friday also nominated Elvira Nabiullina to serve another five-year term at the helm of the central bank, amid widespread rumors that she tried to resign twice in disgust at the war.

Elina Ribakova, the deputy chief economist at the Institute of International Finance, warned that Russia's economy could shrink by as much as 20% in 2022 — a far cry from the 6% growth Putin has enjoyed for much of his reign.

"We have to rethink the way we think about Russia," Ribakova said in a podcast with the publication BNE IntelliNews. "We have gone from an open economy to one that is going to look more like that of Iran."


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-25 14:56:29
March 25 2022 14:50 GMT
#1336
On March 25 2022 23:02 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2022 21:29 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On March 25 2022 18:01 Silvanel wrote:
Things are moving fast - EU signs new deal with US for liquified gas in order to reduce reliance on Russian gas. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60871601

That of course wont be enough, but is a move in right direction.

Warmer days are also coming. Putin had as tight timing between the end of the olympics and the moment europeans would stop having to heat their homes, and they most definitely run out of time with their last bit of leverage.

Gas is used elsewhere. Not just heating/electricity. It's a part of the industrial system.

Also - Russia didn't stop gas and yet 2 days ago they stopped all the trains in Germany because of not enough electricity in the grid. And that's with the gas coming.

e.g. one of the carriers:
Show nested quote +
We have to inform you about a stopped operation of all freight trains in electric traction in a transport-wise important part of Germany due to a lack of traction energy in DB Netz power supply system. Currently, all METRANS trains are affected.

https://metrans.eu/restrictions-on-db-netz-infrastructure/

Edit> news about this here:
https://www.railfreight.com/railfreight/2022/03/23/german-rail-freight-stops-temporarily-after-electricity-outage/

We need pipelines, not some ships, the European consumption is huge.


Germany uses around 87 billion m3 of natural gas yearly + Show Spoiler +
de.statista.com
.
A LNG ship normally carries around 125k-150k m3 of LNG up to 267k + Show Spoiler +
www.sciencedirect.com
at 1/600th the volume of natural gas + Show Spoiler +
en.wikipedia.org
.
Germany would need to process 145 mil m3 of LNG yearly for its needs. This means, they would need to process 1000 LNG carriers with a capacity of 145k m3 or 544 with a capacity of 267k m3 to cover all their natural gas needs. Is this not feasible? I actually have no clue. One should also consider that not all of the natural gas comes from Russian pipelines anyway, so for Germany to stop importing Russian gas, they would need way less than the 1000 LNG carriers per year.

edit: In EU context, we are looking at ~380 billion m3 of natural gas. + Show Spoiler +
de.statista.com

With around 40% to 45% coming from Russia. EU would need around 285k m3 LNG yearly to replace Russian natural gas. So basically, the EU would need to process less than 2000 LNG carriers yearly. No idea if that's feasible in the short term, but it certainly is not some astronomical number that could never be achieved.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-25 15:17:31
March 25 2022 15:15 GMT
#1337
Reportedly another Russian Commander has been killed.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 25 2022 15:18 GMT
#1338
Building LNG terminal harbors is not a quick and easy thing
Neosteel Enthusiast
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-25 15:55:30
March 25 2022 15:54 GMT
#1339
Now there is talk of a Colonel being fragged by his own troops, in this case run over by a Tank. Deliberately.


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4732 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-25 16:08:24
March 25 2022 16:03 GMT
#1340
@FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Yes, but Europe has quite a lot of them. See this article: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/liquefied-gas-does-lng-have-place-germanys-energy-future
Image from article:
[image loading]
Notice lack of major LNG installations in Germany. A true sign of how irresponsible was Shroders and Merkels energy policy.
Pathetic Greta hater.
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