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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9504 Posts
I know it's a tall ask, but do you mind getting back to me sometime on this: https://tl.net/forum/general/587060-russo-ukrainian-war-thread?page=336#6711 I think you mentioned at some point that you'll get around to it, but don't remember that you actually did. | ||
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Ardias
Russian Federation610 Posts
On August 25 2023 07:40 2Pacalypse- wrote: Great post Ardias. I know it's a tall ask, but do you mind getting back to me sometime on this: https://tl.net/forum/general/587060-russo-ukrainian-war-thread?page=336#6711 I think you mentioned at some point that you'll get around to it, but don't remember that you actually did. Yeah, I remember that, it's just there was so much salt on "Russian propaganda" takes in this thread, that I didn't want to barge in with my numbers (as you may have guessed, not exactly aligning with a consensus here). But since I did the post on troop figures for both sides, I would also try to estimate the losses later, since the matters are connected, as soon as I have free time. | ||
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0x64
Finland4555 Posts
On August 25 2023 07:49 Ardias wrote: Yeah, I remember that, it's just there was so much salt on "Russian propaganda" takes in this thread, that I didn't want to barge in with my numbers (as you may have guessed, not exactly aligning with a consensus here). But since I did the post on troop figures for both sides, I would also try to estimate the losses later, since the matters are connected, as soon as I have free time. I don't feel like you need to worry. Great post as usual. Thanks... It seems crazy, did you really mean that 1.2M soldiers are somehow involved in the operations? Or is that total potential personnel that can be activated (just like 2M is very high, but I guess they are fighting for their survival so they can mobilize more) | ||
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Ardias
Russian Federation610 Posts
On August 25 2023 08:29 0x64 wrote: I don't feel like you need to worry. Great post as usual. Thanks... It seems crazy, did you really mean that 1.2M soldiers are somehow involved in the operations? Or is that total potential personnel that can be activated (just like 2M is very high, but I guess they are fighting for their survival so they can mobilize more) Russian Army is scheduled to be expanded from 1 million in 2022 to 1,5 million in 2026 https://www.rbc.ru/politics/17/01/2023/63c669949a794736a6c4eada I don't know how losses in war fall into the equasion. But some measures for expansion seem to had been taken already (unconfirmed info though) https://t.me/bmpd_cast/17148 Two army corps are being transformed into armies, plus another new army is being created (for now there is one new division formed within it). On marine and one airborne brigades are also being increased to divisions. So maybe some of the new contract soldiers are filling these units, though that would mean that these forces would most likely be moved into Ukraine at some point as well. As for how many people are actually fighting atm and how my aforementioned numbers corellate with currently existing combat units as well as estimated losses - that's what I would further adress. Probably would have to make separate post adressing both sides major combat elements, to give context. But answering your question - in short, yes, it's the number of either participating or able to go in from reserve for both sides. With one correction - this number is also including all KIA, WIA, MIA and POWs from both sides througout the war. Edit: Also, before going to bed, some recent news: Zaluzhniy claims that AFU are on the brink of breakthrough https://www.ukr.net/news/details/politics/99381448.html Rogozin claims that AFU are amassing up to 83 combat vehicles near Orekhov https://t.me/rogozin_do/4683 There is also a recent video from Russian side, claiming tightly packed AFU vehicles on the move https://t.me/warhistoryalconafter/118300 So there is a possibility of something coming up these few days | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25332 Posts
On August 25 2023 06:13 captainwaffles wrote: Bro, you call people like us batshit insane, but look at the world, look at the amount of the human population that is with Russia against NATO in this conflict. Factor all of that in, and you quickly become the minority here. Remember, from our point of view, Russia is fighting for it's sovereignty against a NATO that has expanded east since the fall of the USSR, despite promises made to Russia that NATO "would not expand one inch eastward." Now, even though I've removed myself from the Western media bubble, I still don't think y'all are batshit insane, I understand it as; those who control the material means of production, control the mental means of production, as Karl Marx wrote over 150 years ago: (Inventing Reality, Michael Parenti) https://archive.org/details/michael-parenti-inventing-reality-the-politics-of-the-mass-media-1986-st.-martins-press_202012 Now all that being said, I haven't read every post in here since my last one, so I'm posting this bit of information as "new" but the NYT and The Guardian are casting doubt on the death of Preghozin: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/24/world/europe/us-prigozhin-plane-crash.html https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/24/is-yevgeny-prigozhin-really-dead-not-everyone-is-convinced So, like I said, could have been anything, he could still be alive, according to the mainstream media, and we also may never know, could be a Tupac in Cuba or Hitler in Argentina type thing, where it just becomes a legend/myth. Don’t insult Marx and subsequent Marxist thinkers by trying to shroud your insane takes in ideology derived from there. You post utter fucking bollocks constantly. Being the relative underdog geopolitically does not immediately confer any kind of similar proletariat/bourgeoise dynamic on a nation state level. Facts of the matter Russia had much of Europe happy to bend over and work with it, had a US that was happy to stand by and watch that process happen. The Cold War was long gone, the existential threat of Communism thwarted and the more prosperous and more integrated Russia became, the better. It is literally that simple, broad brushing. Ffs | ||
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captainwaffles
United States1050 Posts
https://twitter.com/upholdreality/status/1694762592403607662?s=20 | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
On August 25 2023 10:34 captainwaffles wrote: Putin speaks on Prigozhin's death: https://twitter.com/upholdreality/status/1694762592403607662?s=20 Do you have an opinión about It? To me It sounds like your standard "i have to pretend we didn't kill him while it's obvious enough we did". | ||
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Excludos
Norway8076 Posts
On August 25 2023 19:55 Godwrath wrote: Do you have an opinión about It? To me It sounds like your standard "i have to pretend we didn't kill him while it's obvious enough we did". Even more so if you read between the lines (Tho I'm not going to hold that up as some kind of smoking gun, meanings often get lost in translation after all. It's just more funny than anything else). "He was a man with a difficult fate. And he made serious mistakes in his life" | ||
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0x64
Finland4555 Posts
On August 25 2023 20:22 Excludos wrote: Even more so if you read between the lines (Tho I'm not going to hold that up as some kind of smoking gun, meanings often get lost in translation after all. It's just more funny than anything else). "He was a man with a difficult fate. And he made serious mistakes in his life" Yeah, if the accident would have been unwanted, the speech would be very different. | ||
hexhaven
Finland931 Posts
He's suspected of terrorist actions in Eastern Ukraine in 2014 and 2015. No idea what he was doing in Finland, where there's been an arrest warrant since 2017. | ||
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hexhaven
Finland931 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8076 Posts
Based on my own cautious optimism, I've armchaired myself to the same conclusion. Ukraine haven't gained a lot of ground in terms of meters, but the ground they've made is important, and engulfs some very strategic positions. There's a spot just south of where they've pushed the furthest in the southern region, where all 3 Russian defensive lines are almost on top of each other (which is rather uncharacteristic). If a breakthrough happens there in the next few months, we could be seeing some major ground being taken before winter. But I guess time will tell whether Valerii Zaluzhnyi (and me) are just huffing the copium | ||
KwarK
United States42689 Posts
Russia’s most exhaustible resource patches are its Soviet inheritance of tanks, tubes, airframes, and so forth, none of which can be replaced at anything like the current rate of consumption. We’ve already seen a huge change in the way Russia uses artillery shells compared to a year ago as they ration for a much longer war. It sucks but we must remember that the German army was still on French soil when Germany was defeated in WW1. | ||
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ZeroByte13
765 Posts
On August 25 2023 20:51 hexhaven wrote: I'm not an expert in media sources - how trustworthy is this one?I guess this is a good way to use this post. Spiegel has updated its investigation and now says that Ukraine is the likely culprit in the Nordstream pipeline sabotage. | ||
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Nezgar
Germany534 Posts
They are way past their prime of investigative journalism and in recent years they had quite a few scandals were they peddled stories based on entirely fabricated evidence, or reported on things that never happened. Unfortunately that thing is paywalled, so I cannot say what evidence they present this time. The last time their evidence was: -The boat that might have been at the scene was chartered by a Ukrainian company -The people showed Ukrainian passports, which could have been forged And that was it. I would love to know whether it's something substantial this time or more of the same. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17991 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5558 Posts
On the other hand, the way the pipes were sabotaged was very convenient for Russia. Massive damage to pipes for closing of which they faced litigation claims and repairable/no damage to the pipes that were sanctioned. Immediately after the attack Russia said they can resume gas transit but the EU/Germany would have to lift the sanctions from NS2. How convenient. | ||
zatic
Zurich15328 Posts
On June 07 2023 16:47 zatic wrote: I mean by now there should be little doubt it was Ukraine in one way or another. What is extra spicy: A so far unnamed European intel agency learned about the plans in June 2022. They notified the CIA and BND (German intel). CIA did not trust the source. BND did, enough to inform members of parliament about them. The agencies then learned that the plans had been cancelled. The bombing in September does not match the plans BND and CIA had from June. Obviously the target was the same, but doesn't match the planning from June in terms of scale and I suppose other factors. So there is still some ambiguity who exactly conducted the specific operation in September (Ukraine special ops, private actors operated by Ukraine intel, etc), but all leads point to Ukraine. It was Ukraine, i that's been clear to everyone who wants to know for months. It's just that it's not in the interest of any of Ukraine's allies to really dig into this case too deeply. As to that particular source, the Spiegel investigative team is still highly regarded. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4098 Posts
There are a number of parties that would be very interested in blaming Ukrainian leadership. Direct evidence has never been published and every bit of information that comes out should be taken with a massive grain of salt. The article from Spiegel doesn't produce any new evidence, so they still don't have anything concrete. It's highly irreponsible of such a reputable news outlet to publish what is currently a non-story and could be completely misleading. They're stirring the pot and I don't know why they'd do that except for selfish sensationalism. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6209 Posts
On August 26 2023 17:25 zatic wrote: It was Ukraine, i that's been clear to everyone who wants to know for months. It's just that it's not in the interest of any of Ukraine's allies to really dig into this case too deeply. As to that particular source, the Spiegel investigative team is still highly regarded. It was the Dutch MIVD that informed the CIA and BND. The bombing matched the scenario in June and after the bombing the MIVD received additional information about the bombing from a source in Ukraine. So it looks likely it was Ukraine but they're not sure yet and still investigating. Source is in Dutch so sorry for that: https://nos.nl/artikel/2478770-vs-waarschuwde-oekraine-nord-stream-niet-te-saboteren-na-alarm-van-mivd | ||
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