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On August 08 2023 02:37 Nezgar wrote: Yeah, I am not going to trust the numbers on a hardcore pro-Russia website. When you have been lying this systematically about literally anything, all your credibility as a society and as a nation has completely gone out of the window.
I have a very similar impression that western mass-media do systematically lie, - so you won't persuade me anything by saying this, just make yourself look a bit racist and stupid.
On August 08 2023 02:37 Nezgar wrote: What you are posting there is a Russian propaganda website. So you can kindly take that and shove it up your arse if that makes you happy.
-yeah, a very bad propaganda database. Is it so hard to admit that you've been wrong on the numbers?
Your argument of "my numbers are so insanely off that no one takes them seriously, therefore no one should take your numbers seriously either" is just silly. Its a clearly defined track record for generations that you can't trust anything russians say about even the slightest of facts.
Was there some kind of event or development that the tanky propaganda sites are pushing lately? My friend who is essentially the highest tier of CCP propaganda consumer is gloating about how Ukraine is finally defeated and that the west is clearly proven to not be able to keep up with Russia. I’m googling around and even trying to skew my results in favor of Russia stuff but I’m not seeing what would be justifying a victory lap to this extent. He believes the US would get rolled by China in naval combat, so he’s essentially insane to the point of hallucination, but I’m still curious what changed. He’s talking in our server like it’s something me and my friends will also agree is clearly evidence of trouble for the west lol.
On August 08 2023 03:22 Mohdoo wrote: Was there some kind of event or development that the tanky propaganda sites are pushing lately? My friend who is essentially the highest tier of CCP propaganda consumer is gloating about how Ukraine is finally defeated and that the west is clearly proven to not be able to keep up with Russia. I’m googling around and even trying to skew my results in favor of Russia stuff but I’m not seeing what would be justifying a victory lap to this extent. He believes the US would get rolled by China in naval combat, so he’s essentially insane to the point of hallucination, but I’m still curious what changed. He’s talking in our server like it’s something me and my friends will also agree is clearly evidence of trouble for the west lol.
-a good question actually. I'd say it is becoming clear that the counteroffensive has failed, but still the probability that this shitty war will continue in the one year term is high.
On August 08 2023 03:22 Mohdoo wrote: Was there some kind of event or development that the tanky propaganda sites are pushing lately? My friend who is essentially the highest tier of CCP propaganda consumer is gloating about how Ukraine is finally defeated and that the west is clearly proven to not be able to keep up with Russia. I’m googling around and even trying to skew my results in favor of Russia stuff but I’m not seeing what would be justifying a victory lap to this extent. He believes the US would get rolled by China in naval combat, so he’s essentially insane to the point of hallucination, but I’m still curious what changed. He’s talking in our server like it’s something me and my friends will also agree is clearly evidence of trouble for the west lol.
-a good question actually. I'd say it is becoming clear that the counteroffensive has failed, but still the probability that this shitty war will continue in the one year term is high.
It was also "abundantly clear" that the Kherson offensive had failed according to the Russian propaganda. Until it succeeded. lol
Why are we so concerned about numbers in the first place? Do we really think it a way to determine who is winning? Even if Ukrainians had a number advantage now the Russian nation has a much larger military. As far as we know Russia has been fighting with primarily rural forces. Russia has nearly a million man army and the 3rd largest military budget, western forces will continue to supply Ukraine, and we have accomplished George Orwell's 1984's war in Eurasia, this'll be a perpetual war. There is no winner in sight
On August 08 2023 05:35 Mutaller wrote: Why are we so concerned about numbers in the first place? Do we really think it a way to determine who is winning? Even if Ukrainians had a number advantage now the Russian nation has a much larger military. As far as we know Russia has been fighting with primarily rural forces. Russia has nearly a million man army and the 3rd largest military budget, western forces will continue to supply Ukraine, and we have accomplished George Orwell's 1984's war in Eurasia, this'll be a perpetual war. There is no winner in sight
The vast majority of Russia's land forces are engaged in the war. If you think Russia has a lot of troops to spare, you're delusional.
On August 08 2023 05:35 Mutaller wrote: As far as we know Russia has been fighting with primarily rural forces. Russia has nearly a million man army
Is this why Russia keeps upping the maximum age and time period for conscripts and officers? Because they have so many to spare? Heck, the maximum mobilisation age for officers are currently 70 years old; about the same as the average Russian life expectancy in peace time. These are not signs of having tons of forces in reserve and only using their weaker ones, a myth that has been circulating from day 1 by the Russian government to make their insanely embarrassing losses look less worse than they are.
By all accounts, Russia has had over 200k casualties, and Wagner has been all but eliminated/chased away. Remember, of that "one million man army" (1.2-1.3 actually, numbers vary wildly), 250k are reserves, while another 250k are paramilitary. Russia had, at the start of the war, about 830k. Of these 830k, there's going to be a number of people in administration, logistics, various support elements, etc. Add the 200k casualties on top of that, you can see how the numbers of front line soldiers starts dwindling real quick. If Russia wasn't using their best soldiers at this point, they'd be fucking idiots
I always love the notion that Russia isn't really trying and could just end this if they wanted to while the 3 day operation is going for a year and a half while being humiliated on the international stage, under sanctions and China is happily stealing away Central Asia from them.
On August 08 2023 06:41 Gorsameth wrote: I always love the notion that Russia isn't really trying and could just end this if they wanted to while the 3 day operation is going for a year and a half while being humiliated on the international stage, under sanctions and China is happily stealing away Central Asia from them.
But sure, Russia is right where it wants to be...
Are there any capabilities Russia shows signs of holding back on other than the obvious nukes? I don't really know much about this sort of thing, but what is stopping Russia from just launching a ton of other types of missiles all at once? My understanding is they have tons of other missiles as well, so why not just completely level all 50 miles within Zelenskyy all at once with non-nukes?
On August 08 2023 05:35 Mutaller wrote: Why are we so concerned about numbers in the first place? Do we really think it a way to determine who is winning? Even if Ukrainians had a number advantage now the Russian nation has a much larger military. As far as we know Russia has been fighting with primarily rural forces. Russia has nearly a million man army and the 3rd largest military budget, western forces will continue to supply Ukraine, and we have accomplished George Orwell's 1984's war in Eurasia, this'll be a perpetual war. There is no winner in sight
Assuming Russia is at the super generous end of the ratios, around 1:4, that's around 200k frontline troops. They are nowhere close to fielding an actual million man army.
There's been enough casualties that they're obviously running into problems recruiting enough people going by conscription ages.
On August 08 2023 08:47 captainwaffles wrote: The disappearance of Gonzalo Lira weighs heavily on those of us who have been paying attention to the conflict from the Russian POV:
On August 08 2023 08:47 captainwaffles wrote: The disappearance of Gonzalo Lira weighs heavily on those of us who have been paying attention to the conflict from the Russian POV:
God protect Gonzalo, the US government certainly doesn't give a shit about it's own citizens being rounded up by the Ukrainian government.
Perhaps there needs to be a discussion on whether mods should be more active in filtering these ridiculous fake news smear campaigns. I don't mind most pro-Russians in this thread, despite being deeply in disagreement with them, however this insane over-the-top obvious Moscow propaganda parroting can fuck right off.
On August 08 2023 08:47 captainwaffles wrote: The disappearance of Gonzalo Lira weighs heavily on those of us who have been paying attention to the conflict from the Russian POV:
God protect Gonzalo, the US government certainly doesn't give a shit about it's own citizens being rounded up by the Ukrainian government.
Perhaps there needs to be a discussion on whether mods should be more active in filtering these ridiculous fake news smear campaigns. I don't mind most pro-Russians in this thread, despite being deeply in disagreement with them, however this insane over-the-top obvious Moscow propaganda parroting can fuck right off.
It was a slight problem during the 2020 election too.
And just to be clear, I think TL ought to allow almost everything, so long as its just hyper partisan and amazingly intellectually dishonest. But once it crosses over into "literally none of this is true and its full-ass disinfo", its time to clamp it.
I can understand the desire to be as neutral as possible, but there is a point where it is no longer that.
On August 08 2023 08:47 captainwaffles wrote: The disappearance of Gonzalo Lira weighs heavily on those of us who have been paying attention to the conflict from the Russian POV:
God protect Gonzalo, the US government certainly doesn't give a shit about it's own citizens being rounded up by the Ukrainian government.
Not condoning labor camps or beatings, but if a neighboring country was bombing my city, killing civilians i know, and my idiot neighbour starts going around saying it's our own fault, I'd be pretty happy if he got locked up too. But I can't tell how accurate all of this is, hard to tell imo.
On August 07 2023 18:41 Nezgar wrote: Just for the record: So far there has been visual confirmation for 4 destroyed Leopard (2 A4 and 2 A6) and 22 destroyed Bradley. This is far from "every day", though Russian media and sources sure would like you to believe that. This low rate of attrition will continue like this until the Ukrainians are certain that a concerted push will achieve a breakthrough of the Russian defensive lines, at which point they will commit the majority of those formations held in reserve for the moment.
-my claim considered only the part about the infantry losses being not trustworthy. Your implication "this cannot be trusted, because they also say this and that" is quite meaningless, especially given that your numbers on Leo\Bradley in the same post are incorrect; photo\video confirmations on 9+3 Leo 1 and 2 and 35 M2Bradleys can be found in the database here: https://lostarmour.info/armour
Yeah, I am not going to trust the numbers on a hardcore pro-Russia website. When you have been lying this systematically about literally anything, all your credibility as a society and as a nation has completely gone out of the window.
What you are posting there is a Russian propaganda website. So you can kindly take that and shove it up your arse if that makes you happy.
I myself also do not believe vetted visual conformation from multiple angles and sources because it goes against what I believed happened. Why should anyone believe video evidence of something happening when the other side that i support in xyz conflict states 'lol, no it didnt happen!' while a collumn of black smoke rises up behind them. Why would you believe your own eyes? Youre not a Russian are you?
Why are you showing me pictures of blackened and rusted tanks split in half with their turrents blown off 500 meters to the side? That was all recovered and towed back to Poland and probably good as new by now. But did you see that tank the other guys are using? Got scratched by a tree branch, thats a fucking write off mate no way those guys inside survived.
For me to believe the destruction of 200 troops of the side i dislike by my wunderwaffen or any other whacky claim: all i need is a pin dropped on a google map showing where it happened and a video showing the dropped pin with dramatic background music. I dont need visual conformation or any kind of evidence that would in any way, shape or form corroborate the statement. A Reddit post got 5k upvotes for it. What more do you want you shill? Asking for visual conformation is the devil and a sign you are brainwashed by propaganda.
Ill just throw a blanket statement about how im superior to everyone and anyone that is not from my culture is a dirty lier because youve always been liers, not enlightened and 100% truthful like us
EPT
