EPTRusso-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 512
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{CC}StealthBlue
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JimmiC
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Gorsameth
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On August 02 2023 03:24 JimmiC wrote: Because it makes them feel tough.What's the point of provoking nato? things are not going great without them directly involved. Like that is literally it. They know most countries won't do anything about it because its not worth risking ww3 over a plane that doesn't do anything and it lets them act tough. Like how NATO doesn't dare stop them or something. (And then they do it once to often across Turkey and Turkey just shoot the plane down and Russia has to sit there and take it because there is nothing they can do) | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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The US has already struck deals with Bulgaria and South Korea to supply the crucial 155-mm artillery shells to Ukraine and is in talks with Japan to do the same, officials told Financial Times. Ukraine uses 155mm caliber shells for hundreds of western-supplied howitzers deployed all over the frontline. While Ukraine already has several hundred Western artillery units, they became nearly as important as the old Soviet artillery systems in the Ukrainian army. “I personally sit in my office every morning and spend 30 minutes on 155[mm] ammunition,” US national security adviser Jake Sullivan said last month at the Aspen Security Forum. “We are actively working as rapidly as possible to build out the production lines for 155. We do not want to lose a day and there is not a tool, authority or dollar that we’re going to set on the sidelines to not being able to do that.” Artillery warfare has dominated much of the fighting on the front line, with both Ukraine and Russia firing thousands of shells each day. “We did not anticipate or prepare for a long war and the industrial base was constrained for efficiency,” said Mark Cancian, senior adviser at Washington’s Center for Strategic and International Studies. As was reported earlier, Ukraine has started its own production of Soviet-caliber 152-mm artillery shells to supply its remaining old Soviet artillery systems. The full transition to NATO-standard 155-mm artillery will take at least several years. Source | ||
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zeo
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On August 02 2023 02:30 zatic wrote: Guys don't forget Zeo is neutral in this. Yes, compared to the majority on this forum very neutral. Not spending every post bashing Russia is considered extremally pro-Russian here. If I were to go to a Flat-Earther forum and started writing 'now hold on guys, maybe the Earth isn't as flat as you think' I'd be getting the same 'you've been brainwashed by the propaganda machine' responses one might expect here. Still... facts are neutral. I have my biases that the Earth is round but I would try not to be a dick-head about it in a room full of Flat-Earthers. Is it useless to engage with people that are too far gone? Maybe. Still doesn't hurt them to hear a fact or two every now and again. | ||
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maybenexttime
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On August 02 2023 04:49 zeo wrote: Yes, compared to the majority on this forum very neutral. Not spending every post bashing Russia is considered extremally pro-Russian here. If I were to go to a Flat-Earther forum and started writing 'now hold on guys, maybe the Earth isn't as flat as you think' I'd be getting the same 'you've been brainwashed by the propaganda machine' responses one might expect here. Still... facts are neutral. I have my biases that the Earth is round but I would try not to be a dick-head about it in a room full of Flat-Earthers. Is it useless to engage with people that are too far gone? Maybe. Still doesn't hurt them to hear a fact or two every now and again. Except you're the flat-earther, lol. | ||
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Mikau
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On August 02 2023 04:49 zeo wrote: Yes, compared to the majority on this forum very neutral. Not spending every post bashing Russia is considered extremally pro-Russian here. If I were to go to a Flat-Earther forum and started writing 'now hold on guys, maybe the Earth isn't as flat as you think' I'd be getting the same 'you've been brainwashed by the propaganda machine' responses one might expect here. Still... facts are neutral. I have my biases that the Earth is round but I would try not to be a dick-head about it in a room full of Flat-Earthers. Is it useless to engage with people that are too far gone? Maybe. Still doesn't hurt them to hear a fact or two every now and again. It's uncanny how every single one of your posts is so completely full of projection. It's honestly bizarre how un-selfaware you are. | ||
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KwarK
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If he’s the flat earther then how come his opinion is shared by so many lunatic conspiracy theorists? Seems pretty obvious that the real conspiracy theorists are the ones agreeing with the majority consensus, media, government and so forth. | ||
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On August 02 2023 05:31 KwarK wrote: If he’s the flat earther then how come his opinion is shared by so many lunatic conspiracy theorists? Seems pretty obvious that the real conspiracy theorists are the ones agreeing with the majority consensus, media, government and so forth. Okay, that makes sense. | ||
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Yurie
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On August 02 2023 05:35 JimmiC wrote: I mean what is next are people going to start calling this clearly military special operation an invasion or war? I think that is one of the most nitpicky things to focus on. It is a war but nobody actually declares them any longer. The US declaration of war against Iraq as broadcast in the US My fellow citizens, at this hour, American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger. On my orders, coalition forces have begun striking selected targets of military importance to undermine Saddam Hussein's ability to wage war. These are opening stages of what will be a broad and concerted campaign. That means the US invasion of Iraq, a very clear war was a campaign... I personally think wars should be declared but it isn't popular to do that. So instead you have special operations, campaigns, self-defence (in another country with your military), interventions and so on. | ||
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On August 01 2023 21:06 zeo wrote: You know, egging someone on to commit suicide or manipulating them do something you know will end badly is also an offense. The Minsk treaty would have had the Donbass return under Kiev control albiet with certain autonomy. No Crimea and no war in the end. Life isnt fair, thats the price of Maidan and doing coups half the country doesnt support. Could have dealt with it and moved on. The population of Ukraine even elected Zelensky on the platform of ending hostilities and bringing the country out of the shitter Maidan had gotten it into. Also why his opinion poll dropped to 20% by Feb 2022 because he did fuck all to make up with Russia, even making things worse. In March 2022 Kiev was ready to talk peace and come to a deal with Moscow to end everything. Politicians like Johnson ect twisted the arm of the Ukranians to not accept any deal, promised endless support, wunderwaffen, training, money to line the pockets of their politicians and doomed the population of Ukraine to this ordeal. No change of government Ukraine would have been free to do whatever they want with whatever population wanted to remain in the country. Hundreds of thousands of causalties and a ruined state later they are still at square one with no end in site. You keep dreaming about Crimea while someone else does the dieing for you mate. Fearless leader Zelensky banning elections indefinitely, corruption at every single level being three times what it was before the war. What exactly are these people dieing for? Its six levels of mental gymnastics not to look reality in the face and convince yourself that Ukraine would somehow be worse if Maidan never happened. A third of the population that was in Ukraine before Maidan isnt there anymore. Opposition parties banned. Where was the post Maidan paradise that was promised? Its easy to throw around buzzwords like everyone would have been killed or raped or killed-raped by the nazi robots out of Russia. But you can only keep your head buried in the ground for so long, you have to come up for air sometime We are way past the Minsk treaty, time to get back on track. tchoo tchoo. Ukraine is free, Russia is doing stupid useless war. We help Ukraine against Russia. Russia gov is evil, Russian people suffer. Zeo unhappy, Zeo like russian leaders. Whiii | ||
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zeo
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On August 02 2023 09:10 JimmiC wrote: @zeo do you consider russias allies, Iran, North Korea and China to also be the good guys? I consider them to not have anything to do with what happened in Ukraine. They wernt part of any of the agreements, they didn't give guarentees to anyone, they didn't violate the Budapest memorandum on the political freedom of Ukraine by funding and organizing a coup. Looking at the World as 'good guys' and 'bad guys' is kind of the reason we are all in conflict today. Also kind of dissapointed with the poor quality of one-liner shitposters on this page. You could have put a little more effort. Edit: Litterally just: No, u! A strawman. A tu quoque fallacy. Another strawman. Baby noises. | ||
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zeo
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On August 02 2023 14:12 JimmiC wrote: If you think that question is a straw man you do not understand what the word means. It appears like you do not. Which is a worth while consideration if someone is thinking. I wonder what side I should trust. No your question was not a strawman. Was writing about the other posters and adressing them when I said 'you'. Eh, now that I think about it I could have done more to split the post up into two parts but I thought it was obvious i answered and moved on to the next subject. Are you deliberately misrepresenting what I wrote for a cheap shot? Who knows. Who cares. I don't have strong feelings about this one way or the other | ||
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Acrofales
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On August 02 2023 04:49 zeo wrote: Yes, compared to the majority on this forum very neutral. Not spending every post bashing Russia is considered extremally pro-Russian here. If I were to go to a Flat-Earther forum and started writing 'now hold on guys, maybe the Earth isn't as flat as you think' I'd be getting the same 'you've been brainwashed by the propaganda machine' responses one might expect here. Still... facts are neutral. I have my biases that the Earth is round but I would try not to be a dick-head about it in a room full of Flat-Earthers. Is it useless to engage with people that are too far gone? Maybe. Still doesn't hurt them to hear a fact or two every now and again. What an excellent metaphor, but I think it's slightly wrong. What makes you think you are not actually on a forum of a videogame with people from all walks of life who haven't self-organised around the idea that the earth is flat. Nor did we self-organise around the idea that Russia invaded Ukraine with no provocation. So if you want the metaphor to work, let's just say you are visiting a random group of people and saying "hold on guys, maybe the earth is flatter than you think! have you ever tried sailing off the edge?" Just some food for thought. Ehhh, who am I kidding, keep believing everything RT says at face value. Especially when they tell you that Americans didn't land on the moon(apparently that conspiracy theory is very popular in Russia)! | ||
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