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United States43977 Posts
So in your view Boris Johnson, a famous clown, was forcing Zelenskyy to bow to his directives whereas Putin was not. The British really invaded Ukraine.
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From what I gather, what he's basically saying is "The Kyiv regime should capitulate and give Russia whatever it wants, due to the late 2021 opinion polls or whatever". Also, no noteworthy external influences during the 2014 period - little green men, strelkovs, girkins and so on.
I guess it's also implied that Russia is a sane and overall benevolent state actor - as exemplified by its domestic and foreign policy.
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The problem with any deal involving Russia is that there already was a perfectly fine deal called the Budapest Memorandum that said that Russia would respect the sovereignty of Ukraine.
And boy we know how that worked out...
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Canada11509 Posts
On August 01 2023 23:58 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2023 23:50 Lwerewolf wrote:
From what I gather, what he's basically saying is "The Kyiv regime should capitulate and give Russia whatever it wants, due to the late 2021 opinion polls or whatever". Also, no noteworthy external influences during the 2014 period - little green men, strelkovs, girkins and so on.
I guess it's also implied that Russia is a sane and overall benevolent state actor - as exemplified by its domestic and foreign policy. And the opinion polls have the guy he likes at 13% to Z's 24%.
Furthermore, that source does not place "because he did fuck all to make up with Russia, even making things worse." as a cause, but rather Zelensky's low approval ratings before Putin invaded were (according to zeo's source) related to the Pandora Papers and the sacking of Razumkov and Razumkov's subsequent campaigning- (He thought the anti-oligarch legislation was political expediency.) And further, Zelensky's PR post-Pandora papers shot themselves in the foot as it cut against his outsider status... and that was his whole shtick when getting elected. It's no wonder his polling plummeted.
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On August 01 2023 22:48 KwarK wrote:
So in your view Boris Johnson, a famous clown, was forcing Zelenskyy to bow to his directives whereas Putin was not. The British really invaded Ukraine.
Makes you wonder what sort of horrors he threatened Zelensky with that he preferred Russian assassination attempts and war. The British are truly horrible people... And Boris Johnson has no shame!
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Russian Federation240 Posts
On August 02 2023 01:11 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2023 22:48 KwarK wrote:
So in your view Boris Johnson, a famous clown, was forcing Zelenskyy to bow to his directives whereas Putin was not. The British really invaded Ukraine. Makes you wonder what sort of horrors he threatened Zelensky with that he preferred Russian assassination attempts and war. The British are truly horrible people... And Boris Johnson has no shame!
Btw, do you have any proof on the "Russian assassination attempts on Zelensky"? It's been 1.5 year, and certainly an assasination attempt of a President is big deal in any country, so they sure must have some evidence - photos of the assailants, their names, affiliation etc.
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On August 02 2023 01:11 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2023 22:48 KwarK wrote:
So in your view Boris Johnson, a famous clown, was forcing Zelenskyy to bow to his directives whereas Putin was not. The British really invaded Ukraine. Makes you wonder what sort of horrors he threatened Zelensky with that he preferred Russian assassination attempts and war. The British are truly horrible people... And Boris Johnson has no shame!
Don't worry, it'll only take a few weeks or months until zeo has forgotten this conversation has ever happened. I'm not even sure he reads any responses in full.
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On August 02 2023 01:39 a_ch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2023 01:11 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2023 22:48 KwarK wrote:
So in your view Boris Johnson, a famous clown, was forcing Zelenskyy to bow to his directives whereas Putin was not. The British really invaded Ukraine. Makes you wonder what sort of horrors he threatened Zelensky with that he preferred Russian assassination attempts and war. The British are truly horrible people... And Boris Johnson has no shame! Btw, do you have any proof on the "Russian assassination attempts on Zelensky"? It's been 1.5 year, and certainly an assasination attempt of a President is big deal in any country, so they sure must have some evidence - photos of the assailants, their names, affiliation etc.
You mean other than the mad military dash to Kyiv at the start?
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On August 02 2023 01:39 a_ch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2023 01:11 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2023 22:48 KwarK wrote:
So in your view Boris Johnson, a famous clown, was forcing Zelenskyy to bow to his directives whereas Putin was not. The British really invaded Ukraine. Makes you wonder what sort of horrors he threatened Zelensky with that he preferred Russian assassination attempts and war. The British are truly horrible people... And Boris Johnson has no shame! Btw, do you have any proof on the "Russian assassination attempts on Zelensky"? It's been 1.5 year, and certainly an assasination attempt of a President is big deal in any country, so they sure must have some evidence - photos of the assailants, their names, affiliation etc.
What about Wagner in Africa.
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Russian Federation240 Posts
On August 02 2023 01:54 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2023 01:39 a_ch wrote:On August 02 2023 01:11 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2023 22:48 KwarK wrote:
So in your view Boris Johnson, a famous clown, was forcing Zelenskyy to bow to his directives whereas Putin was not. The British really invaded Ukraine. Makes you wonder what sort of horrors he threatened Zelensky with that he preferred Russian assassination attempts and war. The British are truly horrible people... And Boris Johnson has no shame! Btw, do you have any proof on the "Russian assassination attempts on Zelensky"? It's been 1.5 year, and certainly an assasination attempt of a President is big deal in any country, so they sure must have some evidence - photos of the assailants, their names, affiliation etc. What about Wagner in Africa.
-and I thought that whataboutism was a tool of russian trolls 
So no single photo or name out of 12 (according to Podolyak) assasination attempts - were they all ninja?
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On August 02 2023 02:05 a_ch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2023 01:54 maybenexttime wrote:On August 02 2023 01:39 a_ch wrote:On August 02 2023 01:11 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2023 22:48 KwarK wrote:
So in your view Boris Johnson, a famous clown, was forcing Zelenskyy to bow to his directives whereas Putin was not. The British really invaded Ukraine. Makes you wonder what sort of horrors he threatened Zelensky with that he preferred Russian assassination attempts and war. The British are truly horrible people... And Boris Johnson has no shame! Btw, do you have any proof on the "Russian assassination attempts on Zelensky"? It's been 1.5 year, and certainly an assasination attempt of a President is big deal in any country, so they sure must have some evidence - photos of the assailants, their names, affiliation etc. What about Wagner in Africa. -and I thought that whataboutism was a tool of russian trolls So no single photo or name out of 12 (according to Podolyak) assasination attempts - were they all ninja?
I was being sarcastic. Your posts don't merit a serious response. We've already established that you're a Kremlin shill many pages ago. Whether you're a fascist with real conviction or just a paid troll is not relevant.
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Russian Federation240 Posts
On August 02 2023 02:16 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2023 02:05 a_ch wrote:On August 02 2023 01:54 maybenexttime wrote:On August 02 2023 01:39 a_ch wrote:On August 02 2023 01:11 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2023 22:48 KwarK wrote:
So in your view Boris Johnson, a famous clown, was forcing Zelenskyy to bow to his directives whereas Putin was not. The British really invaded Ukraine. Makes you wonder what sort of horrors he threatened Zelensky with that he preferred Russian assassination attempts and war. The British are truly horrible people... And Boris Johnson has no shame! Btw, do you have any proof on the "Russian assassination attempts on Zelensky"? It's been 1.5 year, and certainly an assasination attempt of a President is big deal in any country, so they sure must have some evidence - photos of the assailants, their names, affiliation etc. What about Wagner in Africa. -and I thought that whataboutism was a tool of russian trolls So no single photo or name out of 12 (according to Podolyak) assasination attempts - were they all ninja? I was being sarcastic. Your posts don't merit a serious response. We've already established that you're a Kremlin shill many pages ago. Whether you're a fascist with real conviction or just a paid troll is not relevant.
-that's a bit lame, I hoped for something more creative. Btw who are "we"? I've heard of a person, who's got several personalities on a LSD mark - you're at that too?
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Russian Federation240 Posts
On August 02 2023 02:21 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2023 02:05 a_ch wrote:On August 02 2023 01:54 maybenexttime wrote:On August 02 2023 01:39 a_ch wrote:On August 02 2023 01:11 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2023 22:48 KwarK wrote:
So in your view Boris Johnson, a famous clown, was forcing Zelenskyy to bow to his directives whereas Putin was not. The British really invaded Ukraine. Makes you wonder what sort of horrors he threatened Zelensky with that he preferred Russian assassination attempts and war. The British are truly horrible people... And Boris Johnson has no shame! Btw, do you have any proof on the "Russian assassination attempts on Zelensky"? It's been 1.5 year, and certainly an assasination attempt of a President is big deal in any country, so they sure must have some evidence - photos of the assailants, their names, affiliation etc. What about Wagner in Africa. -and I thought that whataboutism was a tool of russian trolls So no single photo or name out of 12 (according to Podolyak) assasination attempts - were they all ninja? Is this what you are looking for? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_attempts_on_Volodymyr_Zelenskyy
I've watched this page before posting, and didn't get any confirmation out of the wikipedia article and several of its source links
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On August 02 2023 02:26 a_ch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2023 02:16 maybenexttime wrote:On August 02 2023 02:05 a_ch wrote:On August 02 2023 01:54 maybenexttime wrote:On August 02 2023 01:39 a_ch wrote:On August 02 2023 01:11 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2023 22:48 KwarK wrote:
So in your view Boris Johnson, a famous clown, was forcing Zelenskyy to bow to his directives whereas Putin was not. The British really invaded Ukraine. Makes you wonder what sort of horrors he threatened Zelensky with that he preferred Russian assassination attempts and war. The British are truly horrible people... And Boris Johnson has no shame! Btw, do you have any proof on the "Russian assassination attempts on Zelensky"? It's been 1.5 year, and certainly an assasination attempt of a President is big deal in any country, so they sure must have some evidence - photos of the assailants, their names, affiliation etc. What about Wagner in Africa. -and I thought that whataboutism was a tool of russian trolls So no single photo or name out of 12 (according to Podolyak) assasination attempts - were they all ninja? I was being sarcastic. Your posts don't merit a serious response. We've already established that you're a Kremlin shill many pages ago. Whether you're a fascist with real conviction or just a paid troll is not relevant. -that's a bit lame, I hoped for something more creative. Btw who are "we"? I've heard of a person, who's got several personalities on a LSD mark - you're at that too?
Why aren't you at the front, dying for your fuhrer? Too much of a coward? ;-)
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Zurich15365 Posts
Guys don't forget Zeo is neutral in this.
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Russian Federation240 Posts
On August 02 2023 02:29 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2023 02:26 a_ch wrote:On August 02 2023 02:16 maybenexttime wrote:On August 02 2023 02:05 a_ch wrote:On August 02 2023 01:54 maybenexttime wrote:On August 02 2023 01:39 a_ch wrote:On August 02 2023 01:11 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2023 22:48 KwarK wrote:
So in your view Boris Johnson, a famous clown, was forcing Zelenskyy to bow to his directives whereas Putin was not. The British really invaded Ukraine. Makes you wonder what sort of horrors he threatened Zelensky with that he preferred Russian assassination attempts and war. The British are truly horrible people... And Boris Johnson has no shame! Btw, do you have any proof on the "Russian assassination attempts on Zelensky"? It's been 1.5 year, and certainly an assasination attempt of a President is big deal in any country, so they sure must have some evidence - photos of the assailants, their names, affiliation etc. What about Wagner in Africa. -and I thought that whataboutism was a tool of russian trolls So no single photo or name out of 12 (according to Podolyak) assasination attempts - were they all ninja? I was being sarcastic. Your posts don't merit a serious response. We've already established that you're a Kremlin shill many pages ago. Whether you're a fascist with real conviction or just a paid troll is not relevant. -that's a bit lame, I hoped for something more creative. Btw who are "we"? I've heard of a person, who's got several personalities on a LSD mark - you're at that too? Why aren't you at the front, dying for your fuhrer? Too much of a coward? ;-)
-cause I'm paid for sitting at home about twice more then they there. And maybe a bit of a coward too, yes
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Well looks like it was true, the Russian air force crossed into Polish territory.
edit: Belarusian.
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Our military guys said the helis were still above belarusian territory and they even warned us they're about to fly near the Polish border.
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