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Amanebak
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Czech Republic528 Posts
May 13 2023 11:51 GMT
#8561
On May 13 2023 20:19 Dav1oN wrote:
Oh wow how many interesting things happened today already! Seems like we are entering a new stage of the war and it's gonna get even nastier for invaders

Very happy to see you!
How are you doing? Are your family back in Kharkiv?

What happened today?
BW
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
May 13 2023 12:34 GMT
#8562
Germany announced a 2.7 billion euro (almost US$3 billion) weapons package for Ukraine, which is Germany's largest individual batch of support to date.

20 more Marder infantry fighting vehicles, 30 Leopard-1 tanks and four IRIS-T-SLM air defense systems.

15 Gepard anti-aircraft tanks, 200 reconnaissance drones, anti-aircraft ammunition, additional artillery ammunition and more than 200 armored combat and logistics vehicles.


https://www.dw.com/en/germany-to-send-ukraine-27-billion-military-aid-package/a-65612028

Russian Telegram channel is also reporting, "Two Mi-8s, one Su-35 and one Su-34" were shot down in Bryansk region."

Some good developments for Ukraine this week. They've seized back months of efforts from Russian forces in Bakhmut, received long range missiles from the UK, and are not seeing a ceasing of support from its allies.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 13 2023 13:32 GMT
#8563
And apparently said UK missiles have already been used to bomb Luhansk, twice.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 13 2023 13:36 GMT
#8564
--- Nuked ---
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
May 13 2023 15:57 GMT
#8565
Four russian aircraft downed in Bryansk is interesting. First one of the heli's was reported due to friendly fire but shooting down 4 things in friendly fire so close to eachother seems a bit farfetched. Wonder what happened. Is this Ukranian fighters going far out?
Neosteel Enthusiast
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9267 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-13 23:34:48
May 13 2023 16:07 GMT
#8566
Five

Probably ground to air missiles but it's impossible to confirm anything so early.


Edit: Looks like the the fifth aircraft was not confirmed.
You're now breathing manually
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
May 14 2023 02:51 GMT
#8567
On May 14 2023 00:57 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Four russian aircraft downed in Bryansk is interesting. First one of the heli's was reported due to friendly fire but shooting down 4 things in friendly fire so close to eachother seems a bit farfetched. Wonder what happened. Is this Ukranian fighters going far out?

Ukrainian fighters don't have the range and firepower to combat Russia's properly.
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1929 Posts
May 14 2023 19:54 GMT
#8568
On May 13 2023 21:34 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Germany announced a 2.7 billion euro (almost US$3 billion) weapons package for Ukraine, which is Germany's largest individual batch of support to date.

Show nested quote +
20 more Marder infantry fighting vehicles, 30 Leopard-1 tanks and four IRIS-T-SLM air defense systems.

15 Gepard anti-aircraft tanks, 200 reconnaissance drones, anti-aircraft ammunition, additional artillery ammunition and more than 200 armored combat and logistics vehicles.


https://www.dw.com/en/germany-to-send-ukraine-27-billion-military-aid-package/a-65612028

Russian Telegram channel is also reporting, "Two Mi-8s, one Su-35 and one Su-34" were shot down in Bryansk region."

Some good developments for Ukraine this week. They've seized back months of efforts from Russian forces in Bakhmut, received long range missiles from the UK, and are not seeing a ceasing of support from its allies.


It is such a paradox that Germany also still buys Russian gas, flowing THROUGH Ukraine, paying for Russian weapons and soldier salaries as well🤯 That gas might keep fueling this war as long as it runs, but noone wants to cut it off.

Become energy dependant on Russia was such an unbelievable fuckup.
Buff the siegetank
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5739 Posts
May 14 2023 20:10 GMT
#8569
You have to understand that many contracts have penalties for breaching them. You either pay and get gas for it or you pay a comparable amount of money in penalties. That's why Poland is also still buying some gas from Russia (other than not being able to diversify the suppliers fast enough).
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43458 Posts
May 14 2023 20:12 GMT
#8570
On May 15 2023 04:54 Slydie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2023 21:34 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Germany announced a 2.7 billion euro (almost US$3 billion) weapons package for Ukraine, which is Germany's largest individual batch of support to date.

20 more Marder infantry fighting vehicles, 30 Leopard-1 tanks and four IRIS-T-SLM air defense systems.

15 Gepard anti-aircraft tanks, 200 reconnaissance drones, anti-aircraft ammunition, additional artillery ammunition and more than 200 armored combat and logistics vehicles.


https://www.dw.com/en/germany-to-send-ukraine-27-billion-military-aid-package/a-65612028

Russian Telegram channel is also reporting, "Two Mi-8s, one Su-35 and one Su-34" were shot down in Bryansk region."

Some good developments for Ukraine this week. They've seized back months of efforts from Russian forces in Bakhmut, received long range missiles from the UK, and are not seeing a ceasing of support from its allies.


It is such a paradox that Germany also still buys Russian gas, flowing THROUGH Ukraine, paying for Russian weapons and soldier salaries as well🤯 That gas might keep fueling this war as long as it runs, but noone wants to cut it off.

Become energy dependant on Russia was such an unbelievable fuckup.

Dependence goes both ways.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-14 21:16:52
May 14 2023 20:16 GMT
#8571
So Lukashenko is supoposedly in the hospital after abruptly leaving Russia a few days prior. Supposedly due to a heart attack or something similar. God only knows what that means if he either dies, or becomes incapacitated and what will the army decide on. Doubt Russian forces stationed in the country can rely on any support from the Generals. The same ones who refused to cooperate in the invasion of Ukraine last year.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43458 Posts
May 14 2023 22:06 GMT
#8572
Putin will 100% make a play for it and the outcome really depends on whether the Belorussian military wants to fight a Russian army that has already occupied it, fully penetrated its military infrastructure, and looted its stockpiles. I foresee annexation.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
May 14 2023 22:08 GMT
#8573
On May 15 2023 07:06 KwarK wrote:
Putin will 100% make a play for it and the outcome really depends on whether the Belorussian military wants to fight a Russian army that has already occupied it, fully penetrated its military infrastructure, and looted its stockpiles. I foresee annexation.


Does Putin even have any spare resources to handle a new annexation and subjugation?
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43458 Posts
May 15 2023 02:04 GMT
#8574
On May 15 2023 07:08 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2023 07:06 KwarK wrote:
Putin will 100% make a play for it and the outcome really depends on whether the Belorussian military wants to fight a Russian army that has already occupied it, fully penetrated its military infrastructure, and looted its stockpiles. I foresee annexation.


Does Putin even have any spare resources to handle a new annexation and subjugation?

He has an entire second army, Rosgardia, that has barely been touched.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2701 Posts
May 15 2023 04:16 GMT
#8575
Been a lot of theorycrafting about Putin using the annexation of Belarus as an exit strategy in Ukraine.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3380 Posts
May 15 2023 06:14 GMT
#8576
On May 15 2023 05:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So Lukashenko is supoposedly in the hospital after abruptly leaving Russia a few days prior. Supposedly due to a heart attack or something similar. God only knows what that means if he either dies, or becomes incapacitated and what will the army decide on. Doubt Russian forces stationed in the country can rely on any support from the Generals. The same ones who refused to cooperate in the invasion of Ukraine last year.

That mutiny was far more from rank and file soldiers.
Belorussian generals just like the civilian authorities are very much Russia aligned.
I wouldn't expect much upheaval with death of Lukashenko unless Russia does something drastic.
Mikau313
Profile Joined January 2021
Netherlands230 Posts
May 15 2023 06:53 GMT
#8577
On May 15 2023 13:16 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Been a lot of theorycrafting about Putin using the annexation of Belarus as an exit strategy in Ukraine.


How is that supposed to work? "We set out to denazify Ukraine but instead annexed Belarus, so that's a win for us"?

Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
May 15 2023 08:04 GMT
#8578
Putin trying to annex Belarus right now would be suicidal. Chances are they'll fight back, especially with Russian forces being tied up in and around Ukraine. Even if they're not able to stop Russia, it would make a Ukrainian offensive even more likely to be successful. Putin can't risk that, the situation is already shaky enough as it is.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7028 Posts
May 15 2023 09:43 GMT
#8579
On May 15 2023 04:54 Slydie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2023 21:34 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Germany announced a 2.7 billion euro (almost US$3 billion) weapons package for Ukraine, which is Germany's largest individual batch of support to date.

20 more Marder infantry fighting vehicles, 30 Leopard-1 tanks and four IRIS-T-SLM air defense systems.

15 Gepard anti-aircraft tanks, 200 reconnaissance drones, anti-aircraft ammunition, additional artillery ammunition and more than 200 armored combat and logistics vehicles.


https://www.dw.com/en/germany-to-send-ukraine-27-billion-military-aid-package/a-65612028

Russian Telegram channel is also reporting, "Two Mi-8s, one Su-35 and one Su-34" were shot down in Bryansk region."

Some good developments for Ukraine this week. They've seized back months of efforts from Russian forces in Bakhmut, received long range missiles from the UK, and are not seeing a ceasing of support from its allies.


It is such a paradox that Germany also still buys Russian gas, flowing THROUGH Ukraine, paying for Russian weapons and soldier salaries as well🤯 That gas might keep fueling this war as long as it runs, but noone wants to cut it off.

Become energy dependant on Russia was such an unbelievable fuckup.


Give it a rest already
I said it a year ago, I said it half a year ago and I say it again. The German machine has to be working somehow or nobody will get nothing.

Besides Nord Stream 1 is dead since last year August and most gas these days comes from Norway.
The only Russians gas imported in Germany is over some third country which buys from Russian and resells to Europe.
Maybe check some facts before posting nonsense
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2701 Posts
May 15 2023 11:20 GMT
#8580
On May 15 2023 15:53 Mikau313 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2023 13:16 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Been a lot of theorycrafting about Putin using the annexation of Belarus as an exit strategy in Ukraine.


How is that supposed to work? "We set out to denazify Ukraine but instead annexed Belarus, so that's a win for us"?



Basically yes.

"Belarus is unstable and we need to support them by annexation. But we need a lot of resources from the army for that so we can't keep figthing Ukraine right now. They are almost denazified anyway and we can come back later. Look how much new shiny land we got."

Basically a made up reason to withdraw and enough new clay to hopefully paciify the warhawks.
Sure they can probably do it even with the war in Ukraine but it's a good excuse and a shiny distraction.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
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