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16169 Posts
March 08 2022 22:04 GMT
#781
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
March 08 2022 22:21 GMT
#782
News about those Polish MiGs

WASHINGTON, March 8 (Reuters) - Poland's decision to put all its MiG-29 fighter jets at the disposal of the United States was "a surprise move" by Warsaw, the U.S. State Department's No. 3 diplomat said on Tuesday, after Ukraine asked European countries to provide aircraft to help it fight Russia's invasion.

"To my knowledge, it wasn't pre-consulted with us that they planned to give these planes to us," State Department Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland told a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing. "So I think that actually was a surprise move by the Poles," she said.

Poland is ready to deploy all its MiG-29 jets to Ramstein Air Base in Germany and put them at the disposal of the United States, and urges other NATO members that own planes of that type to do the same, the Polish Foreign Ministry said earlier.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-surprised-polands-decision-give-it-fighter-jets-ukraine-2022-03-08/


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SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria891 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-08 22:28:57
March 08 2022 22:24 GMT
#783
Yeah, this is actually relevant news for Bulgaria as well because we have MiG-29 fighter jets as well. As far as I know from local media, maintenance could be carried out either in Russia or Poland. After this move from Poland, we'll probably have to do something similar because I guess Poland would lose their license to service MiG-29. In this case, our fighter jets may become worthless. Either way, we're in the middle of obtaining F-16 fighter jets.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14211 Posts
March 09 2022 02:18 GMT
#784
One issue is the how to get them into Ukraine without having "us fighter jets entering the warzone" becoming a thing.

The US has well over a thousand f-16's in some state of readiness or another.

I had no idea about the implication of other nations needing to swap them out as well that's pretty interesting.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-09 02:23:38
March 09 2022 02:23 GMT
#785
All of a sudden China now has a right to worry about sanctions and siding with Russia.

Days after the U.S. and several allies choked off Russian access to semiconductors, the Commerce Secretary threatened to cut off Chinese company access to critical U.S. tech needed to manufacture chips should they violate the ban.

U.S. Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo said to the New York Times Tuesday that the Biden administration could cut off SMIC and other Chinese chip makers’ access to the U.S. produced tools and software vital for the manufacture of the most advanced chips. While the prohibition on chip sales to Russia has always included the possibility of the U.S. punishing foreign businesses that violate the sanctions, Tuesday marked the first time a senior administration official specifically mentioned China and Chinese chip makers.

“They have their own self-interest to not supply this stuff to Russia,” Raimondo said to the Times. “So they’re not doing it out of the goodness of their heart. It would be devastating to China’s ability to produce these chips.”

According to the Times, Raimondo mentioned SMIC and that the Biden administration could “essentially shut” down any Chinese company that violates the ban on exporting chips to Russia and Belarus. Prior to its invasion of Ukraine, Russia bought the majority of its chips from China, though also sourced a substantial amount of memory from Samsung, and analog chips from the German company Infineon, according to a Protocol analysis of Russian import data.

In many ways, the tech sanctions implemented by the U.S. in coordination with allies in the EU and elsewhere, resemble the effort to damage Huawei. In Huawei’s case, the U.S. successfully cut it off from global semiconductor supplies, which amounted to billions of dollars in lost revenue.


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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 09 2022 03:16 GMT
#786
On March 09 2022 07:04 plasmidghost wrote:
Well things in Russia are getting far worse



User was warned for this post.


I'd like to use this post as an example of the fact that the strict guidelines of this thread are maybe a tad too much. I think that it is reasonable to have a high standard of posting, but this is not bad posting. Yes, they could have given more perspective, but this is not retweeting. If someone is contributing unique information that is not in the thread yet, and it is significant, I am not convinced the forum benefits from requiring the person to fully explain what the implications are.

Many of us really just aren't that well versed in international economics. I am not sure what else I would say here. I think they were not wrong to write this post, but they were warned for it. Sorry to backseat moderate, just giving my perspective.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 09 2022 04:00 GMT
#787
This whole Mig for F-16 deal is weird. I don't understand how this discussion is done openly. Like either come to a conclusion internally that the extra risk of angering Russia is worth it and make the deal and then announce if after the planes are in Ukraine already... or decide the escalation risk is too high and don't do it and don't talk about it.

Now it feels like it's needlessly generating aggro from Russia and false hope for Ukraine
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18464 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-09 06:57:53
March 09 2022 06:57 GMT
#788
On March 09 2022 12:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2022 07:04 plasmidghost wrote:
Well things in Russia are getting far worse

https://twitter.com/anders_aslund/status/1501315627386118145

User was warned for this post.


I'd like to use this post as an example of the fact that the strict guidelines of this thread are maybe a tad too much. I think that it is reasonable to have a high standard of posting, but this is not bad posting. Yes, they could have given more perspective, but this is not retweeting. If someone is contributing unique information that is not in the thread yet, and it is significant, I am not convinced the forum benefits from requiring the person to fully explain what the implications are.

Many of us really just aren't that well versed in international economics. I am not sure what else I would say here. I think they were not wrong to write this post, but they were warned for it. Sorry to backseat moderate, just giving my perspective.

At the risk of detailing this thread into a website feedback topic, I disagree. They were only given a warning, so not a huge deal. And if you can say that a tweet is very bad news for Russia, you can give some explanation of why (you think) it is very bad news for Russia.

If you don't know, but want to open the discussion, you can say something like: "I just found this tweet announcing X and hoped someone has some insight into what further repercussions it has for the Russian economy, as I don't understand how bad this is. It sounds like it might impact Y. Is that so?"


dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
March 09 2022 08:02 GMT
#789
On March 09 2022 12:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2022 07:04 plasmidghost wrote:
Well things in Russia are getting far worse

https://twitter.com/anders_aslund/status/1501315627386118145

User was warned for this post.


I'd like to use this post as an example of the fact that the strict guidelines of this thread are maybe a tad too much. I think that it is reasonable to have a high standard of posting, but this is not bad posting. Yes, they could have given more perspective, but this is not retweeting. If someone is contributing unique information that is not in the thread yet, and it is significant, I am not convinced the forum benefits from requiring the person to fully explain what the implications are.

Many of us really just aren't that well versed in international economics. I am not sure what else I would say here. I think they were not wrong to write this post, but they were warned for it. Sorry to backseat moderate, just giving my perspective.

Would like to double down on this take.
I come to this thread multiple Times a day especially because of these Twitter statements and Media Links from outside of germany, I wouldn t see otherwise.
It s realy important to get the perspective of many different countries and cultures on all of this and this is the perfect place (for me at least)
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hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-09 09:32:55
March 09 2022 09:31 GMT
#790
Looks like my country again proves we are a laughing stock. If we really promised them fighters, then we should keep it. Angering Russia is a non-issue here, they are proving they can't be trusted and polish gouverment were properly paranoid of them all along. We already support them with weapons, what makes us believe that giving them another makes things different?
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4769 Posts
March 09 2022 09:36 GMT
#791
On March 09 2022 05:01 SC-Shield wrote:
I donated a small amount of money today for charities that support Ukraine. If you haven't, please do your fair bit as war is devastating and this is war on democracy as you all well know. Other than that, I'm happy that most of the world is coming together, especially after a tough period like COVID after 2 years since this pandemic began.


I also did donate few days ago. In addition to doing the right thing it also kinda helped me, psychologically speaking. I felt helpless and unable to do anything about what is happening. Donating gave me the feeling of "doing my part".
Pathetic Greta hater.
calh
Profile Joined March 2013
537 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-09 09:39:46
March 09 2022 09:37 GMT
#792
On March 09 2022 13:00 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This whole Mig for F-16 deal is weird. I don't understand how this discussion is done openly. Like either come to a conclusion internally that the extra risk of angering Russia is worth it and make the deal and then announce if after the planes are in Ukraine already... or decide the escalation risk is too high and don't do it and don't talk about it.

Now it feels like it's needlessly generating aggro from Russia and false hope for Ukraine


Feels like there are different factions within the US camp, one pushing the Poles to do the deal and the other denying it. The Polish government doesn't appear too enthusiastic with the idea (backtracking a few times, and also proposing to send the jets to Germany while Poland is right next to the Ukraine) so I doubt it was their baby to begin with. Migs or not they have done more than their fair share to help.

Also agree that this move, if it happens, is largely posturing. If the Russian side is as shambolic as they appear Ukrainians won't need the jets; and if the Ukrainian army somehow fails its job a few Migs won't make the slightest difference. Certainly nothing worth setting up one of your best European allies for embarrassment.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 09 2022 09:42 GMT
#793
On March 09 2022 18:31 hitthat wrote:
Looks like my country again proves we are a laughing stock. If we really promised them fighters, then we should keep it. Angering Russia is a non-issue here, they are proving they can't be trusted and polish gouverment were properly paranoid of them all along. We already support them with weapons, what makes us believe that giving them another makes things different?

It doesn't, but it is what it is. :/
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calh
Profile Joined March 2013
537 Posts
March 09 2022 09:46 GMT
#794
On March 09 2022 18:31 hitthat wrote:
Looks like my country again proves we are a laughing stock. If we really promised them fighters, then we should keep it. Angering Russia is a non-issue here, they are proving they can't be trusted and polish gouverment were properly paranoid of them all along. We already support them with weapons, what makes us believe that giving them another makes things different?


Don't be so hard on your country. Let's see the US/UK and other NATO big shots take on a million Ukrainian refugees. I'm sure they would rather send another bunch of hardware.
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria891 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-09 10:09:33
March 09 2022 10:00 GMT
#795
Pasting just a small part of below article since it may be too long for thread here. This is after sanctions from US on Russian oil and energy. What do you think these sanctions might be? I'm guessing Russian officials may try to threaten to cut off supply to Europe, e.g. some kind of "hostage" situation if they really want to escalate things, thus hoping to create division?


Russia warns the West: our sanctions will hurt you

LONDON, March 9 (Reuters) - Russia warned the West on Wednesday that it was working on a broad response to sanctions that would be swift and felt in the West's most sensitive areas.

Russia's economy is facing the gravest crisis since the 1991 fall of the Soviet Union after the West imposed crippling sanctions on almost entire Russian financial and corporate system following Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.

"Russia's reaction will be swift, thoughtful and sensitive for those it addresses," Dmitry Birichevsky, the director of the foreign ministry's department for economic cooperation, was quoted as saying by the RIA news agency.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-warns-west-our-sanctions-will-hurt-you-2022-03-09/

Meanwhile, Fitch downgrades Russia's economy to C rating, indicating 'imminent' default. I guess things will heat up soon and also limiting Russia's economic counter-sanctions. Maybe more nuclear threats or other kind of threats soon? I can't think of what else they can do if they want to keep up with counter-sanctions and stubbornness.


Fitch Ratings cut its credit ratings on Russia further into junk territory and warned that Moscow was likely to default on its debts shortly.

The ratings company slashed its rating on Russia by six notches to a single-C grade, near the bottom of its scale, less than a week after downgrading the country from investment-grade status.

Fitch’s action reflects the rapid collapse in Russia’s creditworthiness since it invaded Ukraine. Russia was judged investment-grade by all three major credit-rating companies as recently as Feb. 26.

“The 'C' rating reflects Fitch's view that a sovereign default is imminent,” Fitch said in a statement late Tuesday, pointing to recent actions by the Kremlin and the Bank of Russia.

Russia has allowed borrowers to make payments on their overseas debt, but only using rubles even for foreign-currency bonds, while the Russian central bank has effectively blocked coupon payments on onshore debt to foreign bondholders.

“More generally, the further ratcheting up of sanctions, and proposals that could limit trade in energy, increase the probability of a policy response by Russia that includes at least selective non-payment of its sovereign debt obligations,” Fitch added.

Moody’s Investors Service and S&P Global Ratings have both already undertaken two rounds of downgrades and rate Russia at Ca and CCC-, respectively.


Source: https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-03-08/card/fitch-sees-imminent-russian-default-as-it-downgrades-again-YlyD4VdcSKi7dCdYkdDu
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-09 10:08:50
March 09 2022 10:06 GMT
#796
At first i thought sending those 20 or 30 jets to Ramstein without prior consultation was a terrible move because it's a very bad time to risk our relationship with the US by throwing them under the bus in public. Now I think maybe it actually was a good idea because everyone not Hungarian in NATO already dislikes us anyway and they'd proably do nothing if Russia retaliated by bombing our airports once without further escalation.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-09 10:34:42
March 09 2022 10:32 GMT
#797
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12134 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-09 10:43:13
March 09 2022 10:41 GMT
#798
On March 09 2022 19:32 JimmiC wrote:
Kind of crazy to think that at just over 1.3 million refugees in Poland that would be the 3rd largest municipality in Canada at about the same size as Calgary.

So much displacement and hardship for such little gain for so few.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_municipalities_in_Canada_by_population

(Should be stated if you look at "greater vancouver area" it would be third as many municapalities touch and are considered one city by most).

According to the wikipedia article about the Syrian war 6 5,5 (can't read) m people crossed the borders. And Syria had 23 m population before the war. Ukraine had around 40 m people before the war. So it will be bigger and it's, sadly, nothing new.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_civil_war
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4769 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-03-09 10:42:35
March 09 2022 10:41 GMT
#799
Considering there were >1,5mln economic migrants from Ukraine living in Poland prior to war it is likely they will pass 3mln together with refugees. Almost 10% percent of our population. Pretty crazy. Hope we will mange somehow.

But as mentioned above this is likely, only the begining.
Pathetic Greta hater.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8930 Posts
March 09 2022 11:23 GMT
#800
On March 09 2022 12:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2022 07:04 plasmidghost wrote:
Well things in Russia are getting far worse

https://twitter.com/anders_aslund/status/1501315627386118145

User was warned for this post.


I'd like to use this post as an example of the fact that the strict guidelines of this thread are maybe a tad too much. I think that it is reasonable to have a high standard of posting, but this is not bad posting. Yes, they could have given more perspective, but this is not retweeting. If someone is contributing unique information that is not in the thread yet, and it is significant, I am not convinced the forum benefits from requiring the person to fully explain what the implications are.

Many of us really just aren't that well versed in international economics. I am not sure what else I would say here. I think they were not wrong to write this post, but they were warned for it. Sorry to backseat moderate, just giving my perspective.

+1
if you link a source thats pretty self explanatory, it really isnt necessary that the poster writes a statement that basically says exactly what the source says.
heck most of the time i dont even give a shit what the poster thinks about the information in the source. if the source is legit and its providing good new information, why do i need to read the poster's opinion/review of the new information at all?
i quite like the fact that this thread acts as a kind of lr thread and simple quick updates from various sources i would never find otherwise are a part of that. dont need the poster to tell me an update about russia doing x is bad when the source quite obviously tells me its bad
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