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Okay, I'm back at the keyboard (was typing from the phone before while sitting in the bus), so I can answer more elaborately.
@Ryzel - of course I fear punishment, that's what I meant by "never wanting to end at the wrong side of the law". There cannot be law without punishment and fear of it is no small part of what makes people (or other parties) abide to it. That said - yes, I try to follow regulations even at minor things. I almost never cross the streets as a pedestrian on the red lights even if the street is dead empty at night. I don't drive car, but if I did - yes, I would follow speed limits. I have few friends who like to drive fast, so I get the experience and don't like it too much. The slower you go, the further you will be.
As for curiosity - well, as I said, I didn't believe someone would draft me there immediately (though you guys worked me up a bit by burying me already), and, well, I was right, there wasn't anything scary there for me and I managed to learn few things along the way to understand recruitment process better. Might come in handy if the draft will be increased.
Now, as a more general reply to everyone why I did even attended there: as I said before, it's because of that pink sheet in my military ID. You can evade mobilization notice, you aren't obliged to go anywhere unless you signed it. But mobilization prescription obliges you to attend to comissariat regardless of it. So I did. Now I have paper that I attended today and worked as a messenger for comissariat. And any document check, let's say, by a police patrol, can't say a thing now. I attended, I fulfilled my legal duty, I'm clean. They said that they may call me again for assistance, but now I'm not exactly obliged to attend again, there were not any written prescriptions about that. So I may sleep soundly now. And yeah, I'm not eager to recieve the notice, and won't be trying to get it. Will be hoping that my health category, no military experience and the fact that I'm working in financial organization (they seem to get some kind of white-listing in regards of mobilizing their employees, together with IT, defence industry, and communications) would make me undraftable and I won't need to evade it.
@Ardias That's good news, but I have to agree with what others said. This war is no joke, and it's worse on the Russian side. I've heard/read the stories of some of the soldiers at the front, and it reads like a nightmare. Ending up with shrapnel in your organs is only one of a long list of worries. Food and clothes are bad/lacking, many of the weapons are in terrible shape, the superiors lack interest/competence, and deserting is much easier said than done. You can end up being stuck in a trench for several weeks with no way out, and you'll be going insane on top of losing your hearing and your teeth. If you lose an eye they send you back for treatment, but allegedly even that is no guarantee that you'll be allowed to go back home. Some Ukrainian soldiers are eager to return to battle quickly every time they get injured. They get frequently rotated out of battle for sufficient rest. I doubt this is the case for too many Russian soldiers.
On September 24 2022 22:54 Ardias wrote: Okay, I'm back at the keyboard (was typing from the phone before while sitting in the bus), so I can answer more elaborately.
@Ryzel - of course I fear punishment, that's what I meant by "never wanting to end at the wrong side of the law". There cannot be law without punishment and fear of it is no small part of what makes people (or other parties) abide to it. That said - yes, I try to follow regulations even at minor things. I almost never cross the streets as a pedestrian on the red lights even if the street is dead empty at night. I don't drive car, but if I did - yes, I would follow speed limits. I have few friends who like to drive fast, so I get the experience and don't like it too much. The slower you go, the further you will be.
As for curiosity - well, as I said, I didn't believe someone would draft me there immediately (though you guys worked me up a bit by burying me already), and, well, I was right, there wasn't anything scary there for me and I managed to learn few things along the way to understand recruitment process better. Might come in handy if the draft will be increased.
Now, as a more general reply to everyone why I did even attended there: as I said before, it's because of that pink sheet in my military ID. You can evade mobilization notice, you aren't obliged to go anywhere unless you signed it. But mobilization prescription obliges you to attend to comissariat regardless of it. So I did. Now I have paper that I attended today and worked as a messenger for comissariat. And any document check, let's say, by a police patrol, can't say a thing now. I attended, I fulfilled my legal duty, I'm clean. They said that they may call me again for assistance, but now I'm not exactly obliged to attend again, there were not any written prescriptions about that. So I may sleep soundly now. And yeah, I'm not eager to recieve the notice, and won't be trying to get it. Will be hoping that my health category, no military experience and the fact that I'm working in financial organization (they seem to get some kind of white-listing in regards of mobilizing their employees, together with IT, defence industry, and communications) would make me undraftable and I won't need to evade it.
Ah, got it. Your curiosity was referring to the actual recruitment process to make sure you know what you were supposed to do. Makes sense! It’s interesting to see the dichotomy between apparently more lawless regions of Russia (whatever’s going on Yakutsk) and by-the-book regions like wherever you are. Gives insight as to why there’s so much emphasis on the rule of law being important and Putin doing everything by-the-book, even if he ultimately writes the book himself.
There are rumours that the Russian military command wanted to withdraw from Kherson but Putin told them that they absolutely must not. Do you think there's any chance they could sabotage the "referendum" and make it lean in favour of Ukraine or would that be suicidal for them? ;p
On September 24 2022 22:54 Ardias wrote: Okay, I'm back at the keyboard (was typing from the phone before while sitting in the bus), so I can answer more elaborately.
@Ryzel - of course I fear punishment, that's what I meant by "never wanting to end at the wrong side of the law". There cannot be law without punishment and fear of it is no small part of what makes people (or other parties) abide to it. That said - yes, I try to follow regulations even at minor things. I almost never cross the streets as a pedestrian on the red lights even if the street is dead empty at night. I don't drive car, but if I did - yes, I would follow speed limits. I have few friends who like to drive fast, so I get the experience and don't like it too much. The slower you go, the further you will be.
As for curiosity - well, as I said, I didn't believe someone would draft me there immediately (though you guys worked me up a bit by burying me already), and, well, I was right, there wasn't anything scary there for me and I managed to learn few things along the way to understand recruitment process better. Might come in handy if the draft will be increased.
Now, as a more general reply to everyone why I did even attended there: as I said before, it's because of that pink sheet in my military ID. You can evade mobilization notice, you aren't obliged to go anywhere unless you signed it. But mobilization prescription obliges you to attend to comissariat regardless of it. So I did. Now I have paper that I attended today and worked as a messenger for comissariat. And any document check, let's say, by a police patrol, can't say a thing now. I attended, I fulfilled my legal duty, I'm clean. They said that they may call me again for assistance, but now I'm not exactly obliged to attend again, there were not any written prescriptions about that. So I may sleep soundly now. And yeah, I'm not eager to recieve the notice, and won't be trying to get it. Will be hoping that my health category, no military experience and the fact that I'm working in financial organization (they seem to get some kind of white-listing in regards of mobilizing their employees, together with IT, defence industry, and communications) would make me undraftable and I won't need to evade it.
Ah, got it. Your curiosity was referring to the actual recruitment process to make sure you know what you were supposed to do. Makes sense! It’s interesting to see the dichotomy between apparently more lawless regions of Russia (whatever’s going on Yakutsk) and by-the-book regions like wherever you are. Gives insight as to why there’s so much emphasis on the rule of law being important and Putin doing everything by-the-book, even if he ultimately writes the book himself.
It actually seems that getting public attention helps to fix things up, military tg-channels and public figures do a lot in that regard. Few examples - in training facility in Klyntsy, Bryansk region, local command was stripping mobilized soldiers from the stuff that they bought themselves preparing for draft, including medical supplies "because it isn't standard". When this got out, outcry was tremendous, and AFAIK, everything was returned to the troopers, though I don't know if officers responsible suffered any repercussions. Then there was a story of IT-specialist from Sber, our largest bank. He was in similar situation as me (third health category, no military experience). He recieved the notice, went public about it, and was sent home the next day. In Buryatya, I believe, they sent back 70(!) fathers of multiple children (this means 4 or more) that were initially drafted. And the example of numbers (this is Krasnodar, I believe). The guy on the video says that there are somewhere around 1500 men there. https://t.me/boris_rozhin/64962 Soldiers are encouraged by the popular milbloggers and officials to report any fuckups they see and experience, there seem to be huge public demand for increased army efficiency, after its lackluster performance in Ukraine. Especially since they have resorted to mobilization, the public attention to the mobilized and how they are treated is much higher, than it was before for the contract troopers.
Chechnya has exempted itself from Russia's mobilization.
Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov said he has exempted his region from Russian President Vladimir Putin’s military call-up following protests in his home region and his anger over a recent Russian-Ukrainian prisoner exchange.
Kadyrov said late Thursday that Chechnya had already deployed 20,000 troops since the start of the Ukraine invasion in February.
“The republic of Chechnya over-fulfilled its conscription plan by 254%… even before the announcement of a partial mobilization,” he wrote in a Telegram post.
Kadyrov and his allies have boasted of the presence of Chechen troops in Ukraine since early in Russia’s invasion of its neighbor, while Chechen soldiers regularly post videos of themselves in Ukraine on social media.
Appearing to address the dozens of Chechen women who took to the streets of Grozny against Putin’s draft announcement, Kadyrov said:
“I call on the Chechen population, particularly our beloved and respected mothers, to keep calm.”
Kadyrov’s defiance of the Russian Defense Ministry’s orders for each region to call up reservists comes only days after he himself had urged colleagues across Russia’s 11 time zones to “self-mobilize” 85,000 troops.
It also follows his increasingly open criticism of the Kremlin’s decisions surrounding the war in Ukraine.
Earlier Thursday, Kadyrov said he was “extremely dissatisfied” with Russia’s exchange of 215 Ukrainian and foreign fighters for 55 Russian soldiers and a Putin ally suspected of high treason by Kyiv.
In his latest statement on Chechnya’s over-performance of draft quotas, Kadyrov decried Russia’s territorial losses more than six months after launching a full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
“If we had used at least a fraction of our weapons and equipment, we would have reached our goal long ago,” he wrote.
“But since the leadership thinks otherwise, it’s up to us to follow orders.”
Kadyrov is widely believed to enjoy free rein over Chechnya, a Russian subject that had fought two bloody separatist wars against Moscow, in exchange for loyalty to the Kremlin.
The Kremlin did not comment on Kadyrov’s statement in its daily briefing with reporters Friday afternoon.
On September 24 2022 22:54 Ardias wrote: Okay, I'm back at the keyboard (was typing from the phone before while sitting in the bus), so I can answer more elaborately.
@Ryzel - of course I fear punishment, that's what I meant by "never wanting to end at the wrong side of the law". There cannot be law without punishment and fear of it is no small part of what makes people (or other parties) abide to it. That said - yes, I try to follow regulations even at minor things. I almost never cross the streets as a pedestrian on the red lights even if the street is dead empty at night. I don't drive car, but if I did - yes, I would follow speed limits. I have few friends who like to drive fast, so I get the experience and don't like it too much. The slower you go, the further you will be.
As for curiosity - well, as I said, I didn't believe someone would draft me there immediately (though you guys worked me up a bit by burying me already), and, well, I was right, there wasn't anything scary there for me and I managed to learn few things along the way to understand recruitment process better. Might come in handy if the draft will be increased.
Now, as a more general reply to everyone why I did even attended there: as I said before, it's because of that pink sheet in my military ID. You can evade mobilization notice, you aren't obliged to go anywhere unless you signed it. But mobilization prescription obliges you to attend to comissariat regardless of it. So I did. Now I have paper that I attended today and worked as a messenger for comissariat. And any document check, let's say, by a police patrol, can't say a thing now. I attended, I fulfilled my legal duty, I'm clean. They said that they may call me again for assistance, but now I'm not exactly obliged to attend again, there were not any written prescriptions about that. So I may sleep soundly now. And yeah, I'm not eager to recieve the notice, and won't be trying to get it. Will be hoping that my health category, no military experience and the fact that I'm working in financial organization (they seem to get some kind of white-listing in regards of mobilizing their employees, together with IT, defence industry, and communications) would make me undraftable and I won't need to evade it.
Ah, got it. Your curiosity was referring to the actual recruitment process to make sure you know what you were supposed to do. Makes sense! It’s interesting to see the dichotomy between apparently more lawless regions of Russia (whatever’s going on Yakutsk) and by-the-book regions like wherever you are. Gives insight as to why there’s so much emphasis on the rule of law being important and Putin doing everything by-the-book, even if he ultimately writes the book himself.
It actually seems that getting public attention helps to fix things up, military tg-channels and public figures do a lot in that regard. Few examples - in training facility in Klyntsy, Bryansk region, local command was stripping mobilized soldiers from the stuff that they bought themselves preparing for draft, including medical supplies "because it isn't standard". When this got out, outcry was tremendous, and AFAIK, everything was returned to the troopers, though I don't know if officers responsible suffered any repercussions. Then there was a story of IT-specialist from Sber, our largest bank. He was in similar situation as me (third health category, no military experience). He recieved the notice, went public about it, and was sent home the next day. In Buryatya, I believe, they sent back 70(!) fathers of multiple children (this means 4 or more) that were initially drafted. And the example of numbers (this is Krasnodar, I believe). The guy on the video says that there are somewhere around 1500 men there. https://t.me/boris_rozhin/64962 Soldiers are encouraged by the popular milbloggers and officials to report any fuckups they see and experience, there seem to be huge public demand for increased army efficiency, after its lackluster performance in Ukraine. Especially since they have resorted to mobilization, the public attention to the mobilized and how they are treated is much higher, than it was before for the contract troopers.
That's great, it's making the RU army more efficient at preparing to kill innocent Ukrainians.
On September 25 2022 00:16 maybenexttime wrote: There are rumours that the Russian military command wanted to withdraw from Kherson but Putin told them that they absolutely must not. Do you think there's any chance they could sabotage the "referendum" and make it lean in favour of Ukraine or would that be suicidal for them? ;p
Do you believe there is a chance referendum won't be in favour of Russia? After all, this is one of their guys (technically, Georgian). :D I'll be more shocked if referendum doesn't lead to joining Russia.
The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do.
On September 25 2022 00:16 maybenexttime wrote: There are rumours that the Russian military command wanted to withdraw from Kherson but Putin told them that they absolutely must not. Do you think there's any chance they could sabotage the "referendum" and make it lean in favour of Ukraine or would that be suicidal for them? ;p
Do you believe there is a chance referendum won't be in favour of Russia? After all, this is one of their guys (technically, Georgian). :D I'll be more shocked if referendum doesn't lead to joining Russia.
The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do.
Joseph Stalin
I'm asking whether the military commanders could force the people conducting this "referendum" to make the results lean in favour of Russia to get a pretext to withdraw. Probably unlikely, but I've read some rumours about Putin demanding they keep troops Kherson despite the commanders recommending to withdraw.
On September 25 2022 00:16 maybenexttime wrote: There are rumours that the Russian military command wanted to withdraw from Kherson but Putin told them that they absolutely must not. Do you think there's any chance they could sabotage the "referendum" and make it lean in favour of Ukraine or would that be suicidal for them? ;p
Do you believe there is a chance referendum won't be in favour of Russia? After all, this is one of their guys (technically, Georgian). :D I'll be more shocked if referendum doesn't lead to joining Russia.
The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do.
Joseph Stalin
I'm asking whether the military commanders could force the people conducting this "referendum" to make the results lean in favour of Russia to get a pretext to withdraw. Probably unlikely, but I've read some rumours about Putin demanding they keep troops Kherson despite the commanders recommending to withdraw.
No, based on reports I've heard the idea is to get these territories incorporated into Russia. Then, Russia can send more men such as conscripts because law doesn't allow them to operate outside Russia or something along those lines. I think I've heard it either from "Reporting from Ukraine" YouTube channel from yesterday's upload or from Denys Davydov's YouTube channel.
Edit: If Putin had half a brain left, he'd force referendum to be negative. Then, he could say: "Well, they don't want to join Russia. We're going home boys". Ultimately, to save his remaining dignity if that's what he is after and to work on improving conditions. However, it's unlikely to happen with such dictators...
On other news, it's rumoured that Putin commands some of troops directly. This general doesn't believe it's a good idea and meets this announcement with laughter:
That's what I meant. There's a NYT article that claims the generals wanted to withdraw from Kherson but Putin was adamant to stay. I was wondering if they could somehow sabotage the referendum.
Mikhail Degtyarev is a governor of Khabarovsk region in Russia. He has reportedly said the following (Google Translate):
Comments about going to the Ukrainian front
"We are proud of them and thank you, well done, guys. I would go myself, with pleasure, but I can’t, I have a reservation because of the governorship. The commander of the territorial defense headquarters - all governors are ex officio. You can’t leave the post, otherwise ... "This words of the Governor of the Khabarovsk Territory Mikhail Dektyarev.
Why is that important you may ask? Well, Russians are signing a petition to send him to the Ukrainian front. I mean, I'm getting deja-vu of Reagan's jokes about negative sentiments in the USSR about the system. Except this time it's negative sentiments towards mobilisation.
On September 24 2022 15:45 Dav1oN wrote: Why would you even go to military comissariat in Russia in current conditions when they are accepting almost everyone? To get drafted for sure? Are you insane? Not attending will result administrative penalty between 500 and 3000 RUR which is nothing in comparison to faith of refusnik or getting buried 6 feet under in ukrainian soil
I have hard time searching for empathy when you are making such weird decision, sorry Aridas
Don't worry it's better to play aginst total noobs than against people who have gone pro. You will do even better there man i would assume!
Not to mention most of the people who are called in arms are fleeing the country it seems like..
On September 25 2022 17:16 maybenexttime wrote: Why doesn't the Russian opposition hack the police and doxx everyone of them? Is it difficult or they don't want to do it?
What would doxxing them do? The government is sending them out to injure or kill people, so them being identified doing it will be swept under the rug.
So things outside work is what would matter, their families opinion could be impactful I guess. Or if you had organized resistance that killed people, but there is very little of that.
On September 25 2022 18:59 Ghanburighan wrote: No Rainer Saks today (hope he got a well-earned day off). Instead, I present to you the Estonian Prime Minister joining NAFO.
On September 25 2022 18:59 Ghanburighan wrote: No Rainer Saks today (hope he got a well-earned day off). Instead, I present to you the Estonian Prime Minister joining NAFO.
EPT
