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On September 12 2022 00:04 Ardias wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2022 23:42 maybenexttime wrote:On September 11 2022 19:58 Ardias wrote:On September 11 2022 19:44 maybenexttime wrote:On September 11 2022 18:49 Artesimo wrote:On September 11 2022 18:23 Ghanburighan wrote:On September 11 2022 18:08 Vinekh wrote:On September 11 2022 17:35 Ardias wrote:On September 11 2022 17:22 Vinekh wrote:On September 11 2022 17:10 Ardias wrote:
1) “Ukraine will no longer be satisfied with Russia’s “surrender” of Crimea and Donbas, or reparations for the “invasion.” Kyiv, together with Western allies, will seek "complete surrender and demilitarization of the Russian Federation" - Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Oleksiy Danilov
Well, I guess this war will be long. UA seem to be very eager after their success in Kharkov region.
2) Meanwhile Kadyrov published a speech in his tg channel. It's long, but I'll pick the main point:
"If today or tomorrow changes are not made in the conduct of a special military operation, I will be forced to contact the country's leadership in order to explain to them the situation on earth. She is very interesting, “awesome” I would say. "
Other parts of the speech included promises to return the lost territories, to talk with military correspondents so they would be less critical of the MoD and government, assurances that AFRF would move up to Odessa etc.
So overall it seems that he is trying to take even more leading role in the war and get points for himself out of this defeat.
3) Reports are coming that last working reactor on ZAPP is being shut down. Source on the first one? Don't care about Kadyrov's nonsense. https://www.unian.net/war/nashe-zadanie-lishit-rossiyu-zhelaniya-napadat-na-svoih-sosedey-sekretar-snbo-11974419.html?utm_source=telegram&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=unian_channelI do, last thing I want to see is Kadyrov's rise to power in Russia. And you probably won't like this as well. His popularity grew tenfold since the start of the war/ Here is the full interview posted on Danilov's twitterMy Ukranian is not the best, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't say "complete surrender and demilitarization of the Russian Federation". I.S.: How do you see the end of this war? And does the fact that, according to the latest polls, the level of support for the war by the Russians is decreasing, helps Ukraine.
O.D.: The end of the war is the liberation of all our territories. But we must understand that if Russia remains as it is, it is only a matter of time before it can start another war. Therefore, our task is to make Russia so that it does not even have the desire to think that it can attack its neighbors, especially in the way it has done in relation to our country. Ardias lied to make Ukraine look worse, shocking! What's said here is probably just referring to isolation and sanctions on RU until it returns to the fold of the law abiding international community. And that's an option, just see how quickly Germany was accepted and integrated post ww2. But it requires real change inside Russia. Can you fucking stop being so combative with everyone? How about this: Ardias was wrong/mistaken. He also lied about the "massacre in Odessa"... I got your position that time, 50 people burned themselves alive. After that we seemed to close the discussion and I said that I won't be discussing events prior to 2022 and information regarding war crimes and who commited them or when/where/why they were commited. You have any particular reason to bring that up again? After that you stuck to the bullshit Kremlin story despite the evidence it was nonsense. I hope you are aware of a definition "agree to disagree". I respected your and others opinion on the matter and, as I said, refrained from discussing matters about massacres, atrocities, rapes etc. as well as events prior to 2022, no matter what views I had on the subject. So I'll repeat: what's your reason for digging up the axe that was buried half a year ago? We seemed to have reasonable discussions on different subjects after that.
Agree to disagree when your narrative is bollocks made up by the Kremlin? The reason why I brought that up was to point out that it wasn't the first time you lied to make Ukraine look bad. I question your honesty. It's one thing to be fooled by Kremlin propaganda and another to stick to the lies after they were exposed.
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On September 11 2022 23:10 JimmiC wrote:
@maybenexttime, @ghanburighan I just want to say that I enjoy Ardias in the thread because he brings the Russian perspective and is willing to engage. I do not believe there is malice in what he is stating, it is the information he has and believes. I also appreciate when people take the time to debunk parts or add context that may be missing from what he says. For us far removed where we are trying to "catch up" both perspectives are very helpful.
As to Danilov's comments, I believe he wants people in Russia to believe there is a chance they will stop at the Ukraine borders. At some point Ukraine is going to want to a cease fire if Putin thinks they are not going across the border no matter what he is never at risk. They need him to believe that he is getting something out of agreeing to the previous border and the threat of the possibility of them going further is that risk. He is also likely not going to say anything direct about it because he does not want to give the Russians the actual quote to air over their state media that they need to stand up for Russia to motivate the population base.
I'm sure all these speeches are written with every word carefully chosen intentionally.
Fair enough, I started off from a similar position towards Ardias, it just soured quickly because, unlike you and others, he's very similar to many, many people around me on a daily basis whom you wouldn't want around you. And he's wittingly (or the opposite) harming people I care about, so my tolerance is, hopefully understandably, lower. I don't intend to silence his contributions, but I will continue to calling it out for what it is. The time for sugar coating is over.
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On September 11 2022 23:10 JimmiC wrote:
@maybenexttime, @ghanburighan I just want to say that I enjoy Ardias in the thread because he brings the Russian perspective and is willing to engage. I do not believe there is malice in what he is stating, it is the information he has and believes. I also appreciate when people take the time to debunk parts or add context that may be missing from what he says. For us far removed where we are trying to "catch up" both perspectives are very helpful.
As to Danilov's comments, I believe he wants people in Russia to believe there is a chance they will stop at the Ukraine borders. At some point Ukraine is going to want to a cease fire if Putin thinks they are not going across the border no matter what he is never at risk. They need him to believe that he is getting something out of agreeing to the previous border and the threat of the possibility of them going further is that risk. He is also likely not going to say anything direct about it because he does not want to give the Russians the actual quote to air over their state media that they need to stand up for Russia to motivate the population base.
I'm sure all these speeches are written with every word carefully chosen intentionally.
Same, I think Ardias's posts are worth reading. The fact he spends time to formulate his posts and to explain his arguments is also interesting to read. I mean, his opinions sound genuine and not something straight from Kremlin and he doesn't sound like is victim to Kremlin's propaganda. Sure, everyone makes a mistake but the point is to admit it. Also, I have a lot of ideological disagreements with Russians, mainly for historical reasons like 1944-1989, so if I say that, then it means something. :D
On the other hand, I have a hard time reading zeo's posts. I often read his posts in diagonal or entirely skip them, I mean Kremlin propaganda is too strong there, especially when he stated that Russia was taking it "easy" in Ukraine (silk glove approach), so that was beyond ridiculous. Honestly, it's insulting to people in Bucha, Mariupol, etc.
So, there is at least a comparison. Of course, we can't be all pro-Ukraine because then it becomes an echo chamber and a propaganda thread. Ukrainian propaganda or Russian propaganda, neither is better for anybody in my opinion. It's better to inform oneself as much as possible even if it's hard to do properly with war still ongoing. That's why I said previously that it's meaningless to be a hardliner in either direction.
Finally, my view is that we shouldn't treat all Russians the same. Each has their merits. If they're beyond hope and support this war, then yeah.. probably a lost cause. However, we should be ready to welcome those who can see beyond Kremlin. So, if they are willing to work for a better future after Putin is gone, then we can all work for a relationship with better Russia in the future. Germany had this chance after Hitler, I don't see why it can't be done for Russia after Putin. "Trust but verify" will be important here because Kremlin had a lot of instability in the last 100 years mainly due to their leaders. Or, instability = lack of democracy if you prefer it worded that way.
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Makes we wonder if the talks will center around going back to prewar borders with Crimea still under occupation. Hard to argue Russia not changing it's tone on talks.
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On September 12 2022 00:28 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2022 00:04 Ardias wrote:On September 11 2022 23:42 maybenexttime wrote:On September 11 2022 19:58 Ardias wrote:On September 11 2022 19:44 maybenexttime wrote:On September 11 2022 18:49 Artesimo wrote:On September 11 2022 18:23 Ghanburighan wrote:On September 11 2022 18:08 Vinekh wrote:Here is the full interview posted on Danilov's twitterMy Ukranian is not the best, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't say "complete surrender and demilitarization of the Russian Federation". I.S.: How do you see the end of this war? And does the fact that, according to the latest polls, the level of support for the war by the Russians is decreasing, helps Ukraine.
O.D.: The end of the war is the liberation of all our territories. But we must understand that if Russia remains as it is, it is only a matter of time before it can start another war. Therefore, our task is to make Russia so that it does not even have the desire to think that it can attack its neighbors, especially in the way it has done in relation to our country. Ardias lied to make Ukraine look worse, shocking! What's said here is probably just referring to isolation and sanctions on RU until it returns to the fold of the law abiding international community. And that's an option, just see how quickly Germany was accepted and integrated post ww2. But it requires real change inside Russia. Can you fucking stop being so combative with everyone? How about this: Ardias was wrong/mistaken. He also lied about the "massacre in Odessa"... I got your position that time, 50 people burned themselves alive. After that we seemed to close the discussion and I said that I won't be discussing events prior to 2022 and information regarding war crimes and who commited them or when/where/why they were commited. You have any particular reason to bring that up again? After that you stuck to the bullshit Kremlin story despite the evidence it was nonsense. I hope you are aware of a definition "agree to disagree". I respected your and others opinion on the matter and, as I said, refrained from discussing matters about massacres, atrocities, rapes etc. as well as events prior to 2022, no matter what views I had on the subject. So I'll repeat: what's your reason for digging up the axe that was buried half a year ago? We seemed to have reasonable discussions on different subjects after that. Agree to disagree when your narrative is bollocks made up by the Kremlin? The reason why I brought that up was to point out that it wasn't the first time you lied to make Ukraine look bad. I question your honesty. It's one thing to be fooled by Kremlin propaganda and another to stick to ta dhe lies after they were exposed.
As Artesimo said lying is deliberately telling something you know is untrue. I believe in what I said then, and I believe it now. It's just pointless to discuss anything, if any source I bring is auhtomatically disregarded as "Kremlin propaganda", and any implication that your sources might be wrong or mistaken... is also disregarded as "Kremlin propaganda". And I don't post stuff to "make Ukrainians look bad", I post stuff as I see, percieve and understand it. Bear in mind, I have friends and acquaintances in Ukraine, so my opinion is formed not only by "Russian propaganda", and not only by Russians at all. And if this info somehow makes Ukraine look bad - well, that's too bad, but that's how it is.
Also, if you didn't notice, I apologized for misinterpreted quote from Danilov, it was my mistake.
On September 12 2022 00:47 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2022 23:10 JimmiC wrote:
@maybenexttime, @ghanburighan I just want to say that I enjoy Ardias in the thread because he brings the Russian perspective and is willing to engage. I do not believe there is malice in what he is stating, it is the information he has and believes. I also appreciate when people take the time to debunk parts or add context that may be missing from what he says. For us far removed where we are trying to "catch up" both perspectives are very helpful.
As to Danilov's comments, I believe he wants people in Russia to believe there is a chance they will stop at the Ukraine borders. At some point Ukraine is going to want to a cease fire if Putin thinks they are not going across the border no matter what he is never at risk. They need him to believe that he is getting something out of agreeing to the previous border and the threat of the possibility of them going further is that risk. He is also likely not going to say anything direct about it because he does not want to give the Russians the actual quote to air over their state media that they need to stand up for Russia to motivate the population base.
I'm sure all these speeches are written with every word carefully chosen intentionally.
Fair enough, I started off from a similar position towards Ardias, it just soured quickly because, unlike you and others, he's very similar to many, many people around me on a daily basis whom you wouldn't want around you. And he's wittingly (or the opposite) harming people I care about, so my tolerance is, hopefully understandably, lower. I don't intend to silence his contributions, but I will continue to calling it out for what it is. The time for sugar coating is over.
Anyone out of the line would be shot. Well, fair enough, we are at war, after all.
Thanks for the honesty, anyway. I clearly understood your and maybenexttime's position towards me.
Final word on Odessa discussion - I do have a long investigative Russian article at my disposal, where events in Odessa are dissected by the minute. Written by person whom I know, though not closely. Laywer, historian, journalist, with very good books about Chechen war (for which he regularly recieves death threats). It's, of course, in Russian, but Google Translate is good nowadays. If anyone is interested to look at the other perspective on the matter - PM me, I'll send a link. Won't post it here, or else there would be another rant about democracy in danger.
To all those who were speaking in my support - thank you, very much appreciated. I too come to this forum to read on the perspective of the people from over the globe. Was interested in TL particularly, because big social platforms (Reddit, Youtube, Facebook (though I banned there for some fuckup during account creation), Vkontakte (Russian Facebook) etc.) are full of bots/retards (its often hard to distinguish between the two), while on the smaller forums where people are united by common interests it's much easier to pick up a resonable conversation. And since I've read TL before when I was playing SC2, I decided to check it again. It's interesting to see and analyze sources and opinions presented here (this thread became my main source of pro-Western/Ukrainian information) as well as discuss stuff, and give people new info, especially regarding Russia (since the scope of conversation is directly involving the lives of ordinary Russians as well).
I also believe in reasonable conversation even between people who firmly disagree with each other, if those people are able to talk even on sensitive questions in civil and respectful manner (though I may be swept by emotions sometimes as well, I admit that).
On that note I propose to wind up the discussion of my persona not to derail this thread further, I believe all sides are made their points on the matter.
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Russia just attacked critical electrical/water civilian infrastructure in 5 of the eastern region with missiles. Many cities are in blackout. This is the only way they can compensate for their retarted army. Hopefully no negotiations until kremlin house of cards is disassembled into pieces
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On September 12 2022 02:38 Dav1oN wrote:
Russia just attacked critical electrical/water civilian infrastructure in 5 of the eastern region with missiles. Many cities are in blackout. This is the only way they can compensate for their retarted army. Hopefully no negotiations until kremlin state is disassembled into pieces
I have the suspicion that the interest in negotiations russia is possibly signalling is to buy time so their defence can get a better foothold and/or to test western will to restore ukraines borders rather than to just end the war. If negotiations start there would probably be an expectation to reduce fighting and the west also had less reasons to ramp up their aid.
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On September 12 2022 02:38 Dav1oN wrote:
Russia just attacked critical electrical/water civilian infrastructure in 5 of the eastern region with missiles. Many cities are in blackout. This is the only way they can compensate for their retarted army. Hopefully no negotiations until kremlin state is disassembled into pieces
If this goes on, what's the response? Allow Ukraine to retaliate with ATACMS? They can reach many targets in Russia.
Does this get us closer to UN/NATO involvement?
It was nice of Biden not to designate them as a terrorist state, now they are deliberately attacking civilian infrastructure.
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On September 12 2022 02:33 Ardias wrote:
As Aretismo said lying is deliberately telling something you know is untrue. I believe in what I said then, and I believe it now. It's just pointless to discuss anything, if any source I bring is auhtomatically disregarded as "Kremlin propaganda", and any implication that your sources might be wrong or mistaken... is also disregarded as "Kremlin propaganda". And I don't post stuff to "make Ukrainians look bad", I post stuff as I see, percieve and understand it. Bear in mind, I have friends and acquaintances in Ukraine, so my opinion is formed not only by "Russian propaganda", and not only by Russians at all. And if this info somehow makes Ukraine look bad - well, that's too bad, but that's how it is.
Also, if you didn't notice, I apologized for misinterpreted quote from Danilov, it was my mistake.
Well, you can be delusional all you like. I proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that your account of the "Odessa massacre" was blatantly false. If you decide to maintain an untenable position despite ample evidence to the contrary that calls into question your claims that aren't as clear-cut.
Mind sharing your view on the MH17 downing?
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On September 12 2022 02:49 Artesimo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2022 02:38 Dav1oN wrote:
Russia just attacked critical electrical/water civilian infrastructure in 5 of the eastern region with missiles. Many cities are in blackout. This is the only way they can compensate for their retarted army. Hopefully no negotiations until kremlin state is disassembled into pieces I have the suspicion that the interest in negotiations russia is possibly signalling is to buy time so their defence can get a better foothold and/or to test western will to restore ukraines borders rather than to just end the war. If negotiations start there would probably be an expectation to reduce fighting and the west also had less reasons to ramp up their aid.
That might be their goal but I don't see it happening. At this point everyone knows Russia lies about everything. I doubt Ukraine will reduce fighting because of negotiations.
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Change of command starting once more for the Russian army.
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On September 12 2022 03:10 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2022 02:49 Artesimo wrote:On September 12 2022 02:38 Dav1oN wrote:
Russia just attacked critical electrical/water civilian infrastructure in 5 of the eastern region with missiles. Many cities are in blackout. This is the only way they can compensate for their retarted army. Hopefully no negotiations until kremlin state is disassembled into pieces I have the suspicion that the interest in negotiations russia is possibly signalling is to buy time so their defence can get a better foothold and/or to test western will to restore ukraines borders rather than to just end the war. If negotiations start there would probably be an expectation to reduce fighting and the west also had less reasons to ramp up their aid. That might be their goal but I don't see it happening. At this point everyone knows Russia lies about everything. I doubt Ukraine will reduce fighting because of negotiations.
The grain shipments actually happens. After Russia was pushed out to a certain degree but they could easily have stopped those. So many times they do not lie. The overall point that they see lying as a very useful tool and like using it I fully agree with though. Making it hard to judge when they are serious and when they lie, the assumption that they lie until proven otherwise is sadly rational.
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On September 12 2022 02:38 Dav1oN wrote:
Russia just attacked critical electrical/water civilian infrastructure in 5 of the eastern region with missiles. Many cities are in blackout. This is the only way they can compensate for their retarted army. Hopefully no negotiations until kremlin state is disassembled into pieces
Ukraine should retaliate and attack every Russian power plant within range. Fuck those fascist cunts.
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Also question to Polish. There is a list on armament systems contracted and planned for purchase by the Polish army:
(...)
I think they're part bullshitting part planning it to spend it over time. Sure, recently our economy grew to allow purchases that were considered way above our budget a decade ago (like 8 instead of just 2 Patriot sets), but the government's declarations certainly outpaced the economy's growth.
That's only my impression, but I think our MoD is among the least competent ministries, at least in terms of backing up their words with actions.
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On September 12 2022 03:07 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2022 02:33 Ardias wrote:
As Aretismo said lying is deliberately telling something you know is untrue. I believe in what I said then, and I believe it now. It's just pointless to discuss anything, if any source I bring is auhtomatically disregarded as "Kremlin propaganda", and any implication that your sources might be wrong or mistaken... is also disregarded as "Kremlin propaganda". And I don't post stuff to "make Ukrainians look bad", I post stuff as I see, percieve and understand it. Bear in mind, I have friends and acquaintances in Ukraine, so my opinion is formed not only by "Russian propaganda", and not only by Russians at all. And if this info somehow makes Ukraine look bad - well, that's too bad, but that's how it is.
Also, if you didn't notice, I apologized for misinterpreted quote from Danilov, it was my mistake. Well, you can be delusional all you like. I proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that your account of the "Odessa massacre" was blatantly false. If you decide to maintain an untenable position despite ample evidence to the contrary that calls into question your claims that aren't as clear-cut. Mind sharing your view on the MH17 downing?
Well, you are entitled to your own opinions and judgment regarding information I bring and my take on it, as well as to the negative predisposition to it based on our previous disagreement. That's freedom of thought, speech, etc. etc. I don't have anything else to say on the matter.
About MH-17.
Was it destroyed by Russian/LDPR forces? Unfortunately, most likely - yes. There wasn't any Russian/LDPR planes in the air, so UA couldn't bring it down by mistake, however UA Air Force was quite active those days, so Russian/LDPR forces - could.
Was it done intentionally? Most likely, no. As I said, AFU Air Force was quite active at that time, including transport aviation (remember AFU Il-76 being shot down in Lugansk a month earlier). LDPR and Russian supporting forces were actively engaging it (two AFU planes were shot down the same week). IIRC Strelkov/Girkin posted an update that AFU An-26 was shot down that day, but then removed his publication. Sky also wasn't closed for the civilian air traffic for some reason, only warnings that "it's preferable to avoid the area" were issued, but pilots, again, for some reason, seem to not be aware that there is full scale war below, which also includes use of war planes, and flew straight to the combat zone.
TLDR: most likely it's tragic mistake on Russian/LDPR part.
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On September 12 2022 03:00 food wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2022 02:38 Dav1oN wrote:
Russia just attacked critical electrical/water civilian infrastructure in 5 of the eastern region with missiles. Many cities are in blackout. This is the only way they can compensate for their retarted army. Hopefully no negotiations until kremlin state is disassembled into pieces If this goes on, what's the response? Allow Ukraine to retaliate with ATACMS? They can reach many targets in Russia. Does this get us closer to UN/NATO involvement? It was nice of Biden not to designate them as a terrorist state, now they are deliberately attacking civilian infrastructure.
Quite a few posters in this thread have stated that making life hard for the common man amplifies discontent and accelerates regime change. The government in Kiev has been attacking critical civilian infrastructure in Russian and LNR/DNR controlled areas for months now; nuclear power plants, electrical distribution, water distribution networks and bridges
We shouldn't jump to conclusions though. The UN should form a special committee within the next month or so and send them to each power plant and check what is really going on. Is the government in Kiev shelling its own power plants or is it Russia? After that I think a strongly worded statement is in order /s
Seriously, I wrote about this happening yesterday.
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On September 12 2022 03:34 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2022 03:00 food wrote:On September 12 2022 02:38 Dav1oN wrote:
Russia just attacked critical electrical/water civilian infrastructure in 5 of the eastern region with missiles. Many cities are in blackout. This is the only way they can compensate for their retarted army. Hopefully no negotiations until kremlin state is disassembled into pieces If this goes on, what's the response? Allow Ukraine to retaliate with ATACMS? They can reach many targets in Russia. Does this get us closer to UN/NATO involvement? It was nice of Biden not to designate them as a terrorist state, now they are deliberately attacking civilian infrastructure. Quite a few posters in this thread have stated that making life hard for the common man amplifies discontent and accelerates regime change. The government in Kiev has been attacking critical civilian infrastructure in Russian and LNR/DNR controlled areas for months now; nuclear power plants, electrical distribution, water distribution networks and bridges We shouldn't jump to conclusions though. The UN should form a special committee within the next month or so and send them to each power plant and check what is really going on. Is the government in Kiev shelling its own power plants or is it Russia? After that I think a strongly worded statement is in order /s Seriously, I wrote about this happening yesterday.
True to all the cum-drinking memes, a Serbian emerges that has a well thought out response that points the finger back at Ukraine, although the difference is it's the Ukrainian territory that Russia seized and a Ukrainian nuclear plant that Russian military parks their military vehicles at and uses as cover.
Please share what critial infrastructure Ukraine has been attacking in Russia, you seem to know something others don't.
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On September 12 2022 03:43 food wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2022 03:34 zeo wrote:On September 12 2022 03:00 food wrote:On September 12 2022 02:38 Dav1oN wrote:
Russia just attacked critical electrical/water civilian infrastructure in 5 of the eastern region with missiles. Many cities are in blackout. This is the only way they can compensate for their retarted army. Hopefully no negotiations until kremlin state is disassembled into pieces If this goes on, what's the response? Allow Ukraine to retaliate with ATACMS? They can reach many targets in Russia. Does this get us closer to UN/NATO involvement? It was nice of Biden not to designate them as a terrorist state, now they are deliberately attacking civilian infrastructure. Quite a few posters in this thread have stated that making life hard for the common man amplifies discontent and accelerates regime change. The government in Kiev has been attacking critical civilian infrastructure in Russian and LNR/DNR controlled areas for months now; nuclear power plants, electrical distribution, water distribution networks and bridges We shouldn't jump to conclusions though. The UN should form a special committee within the next month or so and send them to each power plant and check what is really going on. Is the government in Kiev shelling its own power plants or is it Russia? After that I think a strongly worded statement is in order /s Seriously, I wrote about this happening yesterday. True to all the cum-drinking memes, a Serbian emerges that has a well thought out response that points the finger back at Ukraine, although the difference is it's the Ukrainian territory that Russia seized and a Ukrainian nuclear plant that Russian military parks their military vehicles at and uses as cover. Please share what critial infrastructure Ukraine has been attacking in Russia, you seem to know something others don't.
Official report was that power lines from Kursk Atomic Power Plant were repeteadly blown up in August.
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5514103
https://t.me/milinfolive/88268
UA helos were attacking oil storage depot in April
https://t.me/uniannet/43301
There were multiple reports on the rail war conducted in Russia
https://t.me/uniannet/47095
https://t.me/milinfolive/86641
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