EPTRusso-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 189
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Magic Powers
Austria4115 Posts
Since a state is only considered legitimate if it has its own government, that means Putin does not currently recognize the Ukrainian government. He instead considers it a result of populist manipulation serving mainly the interests of the local elite, in other words he claims the Ukrainian people have been robbed of their legitimate statehood, and are in captivity by an illegitimate government run by Nazis. This was meant to instill a strong sense of injustice in the people of Ukraine, who he hoped would welcome his denazification army with open arms. But we know how that went. There are no two ways about this. We heard no rebuttal from any Russian officials, so Putin - and by extension the Kremlin - is denying Ukraine's sovereignty. He did this deliberately in order to justify his special gestures of spontaneous imploding operations. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On August 13 2022 06:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Apparently Estonia has announced the start of the ban, and long lines are at the border trying to leave Russia. https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/status/1558120907591323651 Just FYI, that queue has been there for a while, that's the impetus for the ban. Edit: the recent peak was 08.08, a few days before the ban was announced. https://www.eestipiir.ee/yphis/showStatistics.action?borderCrossingQueue.id=1 You can use that site to check the live queue btw. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17997 Posts
On August 13 2022 06:07 Ghanburighan wrote: The RU visa ban issue is heating up. Estonian police just detained two Russians with tourist visas from IT and FI for breaking their visa rules by producing propaganda materials on Estonians dismantling soviet monuments. The tourist visas are being actively used to smuggle RU state actors into the EU. Here's the source (in Estonian). https://www.delfi.ee/artikkel/120050408/tallinna-teel-olnud-vene-propagandistid-peeti-rongis-kinni Estonia already implemented a visa ban but it's of little help when most other countries still grant them. Obviously, various people are excepted: those visiting friends and family, officials, transport workers, students, and people who require humanitarian assistance, among others. I'm a bit confused. One of the Schengen visa requirements is that you enter Schengen in the country that issued the visa. My mother-in-law had to come into Schengen in Spain, after which she was free to travel to Belgium, and leave from there, but entry had to be in Spain. I don't see a problem with Italy issuing Russian citizens visas, as they'd have to enter through Italy, which is obviously really hard to do... | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria818 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On August 13 2022 18:53 Acrofales wrote: I'm a bit confused. One of the Schengen visa requirements is that you enter Schengen in the country that issued the visa. My mother-in-law had to come into Schengen in Spain, after which she was free to travel to Belgium, and leave from there, but entry had to be in Spain. I don't see a problem with Italy issuing Russian citizens visas, as they'd have to enter through Italy, which is obviously really hard to do... That's not true for tourist visas. Nor transit, for example. That would otherwise solve the issue. Because it's a short message, geography is not friendly to Estonia here. If you look at the map, someone from St Petersburg wanting to come to Estonia has a tiny strip of land to enter, or face a three or four hour drive south past the huge Peipsi lake that forms the majority of our eastern border. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On August 13 2022 19:08 SC-Shield wrote: I don't think they should ban regular Russians if they emigrate. That would be a blow to Putin's regime in my opinion if brain dump continues. That's not the issue, the Estonian ban and the proposal exclude them explicitly. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17997 Posts
On August 13 2022 19:37 Ghanburighan wrote: That's not true for tourist visas. Nor transit, for example. That would otherwise solve the issue. Because it's a short message, geography is not friendly to Estonia here. If you look at the map, someone from St Petersburg wanting to come to Estonia has a tiny strip of land to enter, or face a three or four hour drive south past the huge Peipsi lake that forms the majority of our eastern border. I don't know about transit visas, but it's definitely true for tourist visas, because that's what my mother-in-law came on .. Here's a copy-paste from the EU FAQ: Can I enter the Schengen area in country X, while the visa was issued by Schengen country Y? As a general rule you may cross any Schengen border with visa issued by any Schengen country. However, the short-stay visa does not automatically entitle you to enter the Schengen area. See FAQ no 16 on checks at the external borders. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://eeas.europa.eu/sites/eeas/files/frequently_asked_questions_en.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi1xOy_0sP5AhUNxoUKHeO3A88QFnoECAYQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3-5O-L6CPJsesuca8Vee8g The number 16 point talks about additional documents that may be required and puts no limits. Estonia can basically do whatever they like. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On August 13 2022 19:48 Acrofales wrote: I don't know about transit visas, but it's definitely true for tourist visas, because that's what my mother-in-law came on .. Here's a copy-paste from the EU FAQ: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://eeas.europa.eu/sites/eeas/files/frequently_asked_questions_en.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi1xOy_0sP5AhUNxoUKHeO3A88QFnoECAYQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3-5O-L6CPJsesuca8Vee8g The number 16 point talks about additional documents that may be required and puts no limits. Estonia can basically do whatever they like. 1. Schengen visas are issued by the country indicated as the longest stay destination, port of entry can be different. 2. Estonia is bound by EU laws and regulations, we can't just send back Russians without justification. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On August 14 2022 02:59 Ghanburighan wrote: 1. Schengen visas are issued by the country indicated as the longest stay destination, port of entry can be different. 2. Estonia is bound by EU laws and regulations, we can't just send back Russians without justification. Yeah this is true, I was able to first enter the Netherlands despite my visa being issued for Belgium | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4115 Posts
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62537495 | ||
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r00ty
Germany1056 Posts
On August 14 2022 12:02 Magic Powers wrote: Accusations are flying on both sides regarding military activity from/towards the Zaporizhia nuclear plant (the biggest in Europe). It's located on the Russian-occupied side of the Dnipro river. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62537495 The wind is blowing towards the east like 90% of the time in that region. If a worst case scenario happens, western Russia will most likely get a majority of the fallout. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria818 Posts
On August 14 2022 15:57 r00ty wrote: The wind is blowing towards the east like 90% of the time in that region. If a worst case scenario happens, western Russia will most likely get a majority of the fallout. Let's hope we won't have to count on probabilities or even need to discuss this scenario. Russian military is absolutely nothing less than ISIS in terms of invoking chaos and fear but it's all part of Putin's playbook for scaremongering. He won't do it, but he likes to play with fire. I base my comments also on this: | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria818 Posts
I've heard that recruitment is from $2000 to $5000 in a 'desperate' attempt to attract volunteers, which is also a salary higher than average. That's why I say desperate attempt. Sources: 1. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/29/europe/russia-recruits-volunteer-battalions-ukraine-war-cmd-intl/index.html 2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/07/russias-private-military-contractor-wagner-comes-out-of-the-shadows-in-ukraine-war We all need to endure current economic difficulties and keep supporting Ukraine for free world to go on.  | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
There is a real danger that Russian forces could find themselves surrounded, over 25 thousand of them as well. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria818 Posts
Poland is super brave, Estonia is also not afraid to implement measures. My country is still bitterly split in whether to provide Ukraine with weapons even though our Russian 'brothers' attacked my home city in 1916. They didn't expect us to fight back then, but we did and we defeated them. Now they're terrorising Ukraine. I hope we as Bulgarians learn from the Polish and start helping Ukraine more after October snap election. There is no such thing as Russia as an ally. You're either their satellite or their enemy. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21691 Posts
On August 15 2022 00:09 SC-Shield wrote: Eastern Europe knows what life under Russian rule is like. They have absolutely no desire to go back to that.Oh, I forgot to say that it's amazing that those closer to Russia geographically are the ones interested in defeating Russia. Poland is super brave, Estonia is also not afraid to implement measures. My country is still bitterly split in whether to provide Ukraine with weapons even though our Russian 'brothers' attacked my home city in 1916. They didn't expect us to fight back then, but we did and we defeated them. Now they're terrorising Ukraine. I hope we as Bulgarians learn from the Polish and start helping Ukraine more after October snap election. There is no such thing as Russia as an ally. You're either their satellite or their enemy. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria818 Posts
On August 15 2022 00:16 Gorsameth wrote: Eastern Europe knows what life under Russian rule is like. They have absolutely no desire to go back to that. Yeah, my country knows it too well too. Sadly, old generation here prefers cheap Gazprom gas and to forget about Ukraine. Hopefully they don't turn out to be the majority in October's election. We need to raise our standard... That's why I admire Poland's response right now. Buying weapons to help Ukraine because it's mutual interest. | ||
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