EPTRusso-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 15
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6794 Posts
Russia eco is so fcked that i dont really know how can they fix their situation even if they stop this war tbh. Covid then a War. Yeah i really dont get Putin in this one. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On March 02 2022 07:33 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Something about bedfellows and the like. The world isn't as black and white as it used to be. I don't agree with 90% of US/West diplomacy, sure, but there are aggravating existing circumstances that cannot be encroached upon. Sadly, the Russian invasion of Ukraine is one of those that needs to be encroached. I'm hoping Ukraine holds long enough to force serious peace talks and a ceasefire. But if this week goes by and Russia isn't at the table with something credible and serious, then WW3 it is. Ukraine won't last past this week as it is now. So basically as long as it's 'our side' doing the killing, it's okay, it's only reprehensible and awful and must be stopped by any means necessary when the 'bad guys' are doing it, yeah. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9012 Posts
On March 02 2022 10:37 Salazarz wrote: So basically as long as it's 'our side' doing the killing, it's okay, it's only reprehensible and awful and must be stopped by any means necessary when the 'bad guys' are doing it, yeah. If that is what you took away from my post, then okay. Seems to me that you are for the "West" staying out of it and letting Russia run roughshod over Ukraine. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On March 02 2022 10:37 Salazarz wrote: So basically as long as it's 'our side' doing the killing, it's okay, it's only reprehensible and awful and must be stopped by any means necessary when the 'bad guys' are doing it, yeah. This is a very silly false equivalence. These are not the same. Pretending they are is not good. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On March 02 2022 10:44 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: If that is what you took away from my post, then okay. Seems to me that you are for the "West" staying out of it and letting Russia run roughshod over Ukraine. I sincerely hope that Russkies get their shit together and oust Putin over this madness. The shit Russia is doing right now is an atrocity. The thing is, what's happening in Yemen is no less of an atrocity yet people like you act as if they've got any sort of moral high ground at all over the Russians while explaining away Middle East wars with alliances and geopolitics. Its absolutely sickening. If the world is to ever have any chance of peace, these sort of double standards cannot exist. You can't have selective judgments over which human beings are worthy of standing up for, and which can be sacrificed in the name of 'reasons.' | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On March 02 2022 11:07 Salazarz wrote: I sincerely hope that Russkies get their shit together and oust Putin over this madness. The shit Russia is doing right now is an atrocity. The thing is, what's happening in Yemen is no less of an atrocity yet people like you act as if they've got any sort of moral high ground at all over the Russians while explaining away Middle East wars with alliances and geopolitics. Its absolutely sickening. If the world is to ever have any chance of peace, these sort of double standards cannot exist. You can't have selective judgments over which human beings are worthy of standing up for, and which can be sacrificed in the name of 'reasons.' One can point out when someone is committing atrocities while acknowledging their own. They are not mutually exclusive. One does not need moral high ground to say "Russia is killing civilians in Ukraine at the behest of an megalomaniacal pseudo-dictator, this is wrong", no more than someone needs moral high ground to say "Many nations are complicit in the massacre of Yemeni civilians by supplying SA with weapons, that is wrong". To bring this up as some sort of counterpoint is pretty funny, because ultimately you are saying nothing. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On March 02 2022 11:07 Salazarz wrote: I sincerely hope that Russkies get their shit together and oust Putin over this madness. The shit Russia is doing right now is an atrocity. The thing is, what's happening in Yemen is no less of an atrocity yet people like you act as if they've got any sort of moral high ground at all over the Russians while explaining away Middle East wars with alliances and geopolitics. Its absolutely sickening. If the world is to ever have any chance of peace, these sort of double standards cannot exist. You can't have selective judgments over which human beings are worthy of standing up for, and which can be sacrificed in the name of 'reasons.' This is really just not the place to be making your point. This feels a lot more appropriate for the US politics thread. This is about Ukraine and their struggles against Putin. It feels perhaps a little weird to use this as your opportunity to point out hypocrisy. Derailing the topic to make a cheap point is not good taste. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On March 02 2022 11:07 Salazarz wrote: I sincerely hope that Russkies get their shit together and oust Putin over this madness. The shit Russia is doing right now is an atrocity. The thing is, what's happening in Yemen is no less of an atrocity yet people like you act as if they've got any sort of moral high ground at all over the Russians while explaining away Middle East wars with alliances and geopolitics. Its absolutely sickening. If the world is to ever have any chance of peace, these sort of double standards cannot exist. You can't have selective judgments over which human beings are worthy of standing up for, and which can be sacrificed in the name of 'reasons.' We don’t get a call man, that much was made abundantly clear way back in Iraq. It’s less a ‘I don’t care about x’ as ‘Hm, Ukraine seems something where even a modicum of outpouring and solidarity could tip the scales into meaningful action, as the scales are already pretty much in balance’. Those scales have to already be pretty close to tipping for the public’s opinions to be taken into any kind of account. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9012 Posts
On March 02 2022 11:07 Salazarz wrote: I sincerely hope that Russkies get their shit together and oust Putin over this madness. The shit Russia is doing right now is an atrocity. The thing is, what's happening in Yemen is no less of an atrocity yet people like you act as if they've got any sort of moral high ground at all over the Russians while explaining away Middle East wars with alliances and geopolitics. Its absolutely sickening. If the world is to ever have any chance of peace, these sort of double standards cannot exist. You can't have selective judgments over which human beings are worthy of standing up for, and which can be sacrificed in the name of 'reasons.' As others have pointed out, this isn't the thread for this discussion. What I will say is that everything is territorial. If the US or "West" does an action it gets pointed out. If it doesn't take an action it gets pointed out. Damned if you do and so forth. Kind of hard to admonish the regime you supplied weapons to committing atrocities. But this is Russia invading Ukraine over no reason and everyone, around the world, saying "Hold up bruh, this shit ain't on the up and up." So whatever you are trying to say, it isn't equivocal to the now. That's all I'll say on the matter. I'm waiting for more news from our Ukrainian friend on the ground and hoping he and his are okay. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
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Psychotikah
Canada101 Posts
On March 02 2022 15:11 Dav1oN wrote: And once again we're waking up under the rocket fire...city center targeted once again Please be safe, you and your family. I can't express how much I fear for you and your people. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On March 02 2022 15:11 Dav1oN wrote: And once again we're waking up under the rocket fire...city center targeted once again Oh thank god I'm glad you're still ok. I've been stressing out today worrying about you. What city are you in? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On March 02 2022 09:56 Starlightsun wrote: I don't believe it would last 15-20 years. Not with Russia controlling most of the borders and willing to go scorched earth. If they do continue on massacring civilian centers though then I feel more inclined to kwark's view about calling bluff and enforcing no-fly zone. Hard to keep arguing nonintervention if they start just levelling cities. Russia wouldn't last 5 years with the current sanctions. Russia is rapidly approaching North Korean status of isolation. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On March 02 2022 15:27 Mohdoo wrote: Oh thank god I'm glad you're still ok. I've been stressing out today worrying about you. What city are you in? In Kharkiv, and it's pretty terrifying at the moment | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On March 02 2022 16:09 Dav1oN wrote: In Kharkiv, and it's pretty terrifying at the moment Oh god, stay safe. From what you get to read on the internet, it's one of the most if not the most bombed city. | ||
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Powerpill
United States1693 Posts
On March 02 2022 16:09 Dav1oN wrote: In Kharkiv, and it's pretty terrifying at the moment Thoughts and prayers with you buddy... Can't even imagine the terror night after night. | ||
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Warfie
Norway2846 Posts
What levels of insurgency Ukraine will muster remains to be seen, but what of the sanctions once the main military conflict is over? Will we see sanctions relieved and a normalization if Russia manages to stabilize Ukraine under a puppet regime, or will the world keep Russia isolated? Right now the sanctions seem to be aimed at "back off or we will ruin you economically", but what will be the prerequisite for lifting sanctions if Russia achieves a post-open-war puppet state Ukraine? | ||
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