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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
Ukraine cut off water from it and it's dealing with an oncoming ecological disaster on top of needing billions of dollars to maintain this ecological disaster in the making. Any peace deal that doesn't address Ukraine giving up all the massive resources in the black sea, the eastern shale deposits, and accepting the loss of their coastline while also agreeing to never join the eu or nato is something that putin won't accept. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
https://twitter.com/indiainukraine/status/1498986772558196740?s=21 | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1780 Posts
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buyketoburnuk
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RvB
Netherlands6325 Posts
When I saw reports and photographs on Tuesday suggesting that primary school children had been arrested by police in Moscow for laying flowers at the Ukrainian embassy and holding signs saying “No to war” I refused to believe it was real. But now it has been confirmed by the Nobel prize-winning newspaper Novaya Gazeta. In an update the newspaper says the children have since been released. The images show the children with officers behind metal bars, perhaps in a police vehicle, and then in a police station, holding their flowers and placards. The Kremlin appears to be taking increasingly draconian measures to try to keep a grip on its war narrative. www.bbc.com | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
On March 02 2022 23:19 iFU.pauline wrote: Let's be real, western governments always considered Russia to be the enemy, so it comes with no surprise that they won't allow enemy military bases camping at their borders. Was it that important for Ukraine to join NATO when they upright knew they would be dragged into a war they can't possibly win because no fucking western countries will dare to defy Russia. Anyway we are happy in the west we can now sell weapons and loans money while being the good guys, ho wait it is not for free? Same old shit. Bullshit. First - Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia already border Russia. They are part of NATO and there are military bases there. World didn't end because of that, nobody attacked Russia. Second - NATO didn't say they will allow Ukraine to join. Ukraine wanted in because they were afraid of Russia (and rightful so as everybody can see now) but that doesn't mean they would be accepted. Third - Russia demands for NATO were not accepted because it's not Russia place to tell other countries what to do and to tell NATO who they can accept. But refusing those demands doesn't mean Ukraine would be allowed in. They were refused out of principle. Fourth - West attempted to be friends with Russia. They really did. Its Russia fault it didn't work out because they couldn't give up being a bully. It's really not that hard being friends, You just need to give up dreams of world supremacy. Which apparently Russia didn't want to do,. | ||
KwarK
United States44399 Posts
On March 02 2022 23:19 iFU.pauline wrote: Let's be real, western governments always considered Russia to be the enemy, so it comes with no surprise that they won't allow enemy military bases camping at their borders. Was it that important for Ukraine to join NATO when they upright knew they would be dragged into a war they can't possibly win because no fucking western countries will dare to defy Russia. Anyway we are happy in the west we can now sell weapons and loans money while being the good guys, ho wait it is not for free? Same old shit. NATO didn’t want Ukraine in NATO and Ukraine didn’t want to be in NATO until recently. Do you really imagine US nuclear command sitting around thinking “we’re pretty secure but I really feel like we can’t properly have military security until we get the Ukrainians onboard”. We had a good thing going with the Budapest deal. Ukraine didn’t have nukes and had its borders guaranteed from the west by Russia and from the east by the US. Russia broke the deal and forced Ukraine to seek protection under the US aegis. Russia is considered the enemy because Russian troops keep showing up in other peoples’ countries. If they stopped being so aggressive people wouldn’t act so defensive about them. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Depositary receipts of the nation’s biggest lender, Sberbank of Russia PJSC, slumped 93% in London on Wednesday, while the state-run gas giant Gazprom PJSC fell 97%. Rosneft Oil Co. tumbled 70% and Lukoil PJSC declined 98%. Source | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On March 03 2022 00:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So Gazprom which was worth billions is apparently only wroth around $250 million now. Makes me wonder wonder if the CEO/owner no longer qualifies as Oligarch now. Also Russian market again were closed today. https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1499002836834791430 Source Looks like the stock profile posts you see on r/wallstreetbets lol | ||
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KwarK
United States44399 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On March 03 2022 00:11 Silvanel wrote: Bullshit. First - Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia already border Russia. They are part of NATO and there are military bases there. World didn't end because of that, nobody attacked Russia. Second - NATO didn't say they will allow Ukraine to join. Ukraine wanted in because they were afraid of Russia (and rightful so as everybody can see now) but that doesn't mean they would be accepted. Third - Russia demands for NATO were not accepted because it's not Russia place to tell other countries what to do and to tell NATO who they can accept. But refusing those demands doesn't mean Ukraine would be allowed in. They were refused out of principle. Fourth - West attempted to be friends with Russia. They really did. Its Russia fault it didn't work out because they couldn't give up being a bully. It's really not that hard being friends, You just need to give up dreams of world supremacy. Which apparently Russia didn't want to do,. 2nd - ehm 2008 NATO said the following: NATO welcomes Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO. We agreed today that these countries will become members of NATO. https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_8443.htm | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On March 02 2022 23:06 Sermokala wrote: Crimea may have "joined Russia" but it's still a disputed territory to say the least and is in a very tenuous position. Ukraine cut off water from it and it's dealing with an oncoming ecological disaster on top of needing billions of dollars to maintain this ecological disaster in the making. Any peace deal that doesn't address Ukraine giving up all the massive resources in the black sea, the eastern shale deposits, and accepting the loss of their coastline while also agreeing to never join the eu or nato is something that putin won't accept. That's akin to saying Kosovo or Taiwan is disputed territory, when they are de facto sovereign countries. Crimea is de facto part of Russia, controlled and adminstered by Russia, no matter how much the rest of the world may or may not recognise it. Of course Russian demands may simply be for official recognition by Ukraine that Crimea has been annexed to Russia, or to give up territorial dispute status over Crimea, though it is simply more likely Russia want to settle for more, but I find that such massive inaccuracies when talking about Ukraine should be pointed out. There cannot simply be a solution where Crimea becomes independent or joins Russia by the sheer virtue that it has already the case for the last 7 years. And of course all of that is moot if Ukraine cease to exist. On March 02 2022 23:19 iFU.pauline wrote: Let's be real, western governments always considered Russia to be the enemy, so it comes with no surprise that they won't allow enemy military bases camping at their borders. Was it that important for Ukraine to join NATO when they upright knew they would be dragged into a war they can't possibly win because no fucking western countries will dare to defy Russia. Anyway we are happy in the west we can now sell weapons and loans money while being the good guys, ho wait it is not for free? Same old shit. There are plenty of Russian bases next to the borders of some of the countries in NATO. Strange then, according to your logic, that western governments allow these Russian bases camping at their borders and haven't invaded Russia. You must be in a state of perpetual surprise. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27467 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On March 02 2022 21:06 Belisarius wrote: If you're not going to read your own posts, I don't see why we should either. Cuba doesn't mean Cuban crisis. I literally meant that if Russia wanted nowadays to build a military base on Cuba US would be heavily against that and do everything in their mind to stop that. I did NOT meant the Cuban crisis. That's you projecting on me. | ||
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KwarK
United States44399 Posts
On March 03 2022 00:44 deacon.frost wrote: Cuba doesn't mean Cuban crisis. I literally meant that if Russia wanted nowadays to build a military base on Cuba US would be heavily against that and do everything in their mind to stop that. I did NOT meant the Cuban crisis. That's you projecting on me. Would they though? Cuba is already mega sanctioned and it’s not like they would invade Cuba. I really don’t see the parallel. Russia is invading Ukraine but the US wouldn’t nakedly invade Cuba. It would take years of manufacturing consent against the Cuban regime plus some sort of pretext that doesn’t exist and, quite frankly, the US administrations lack the foresight to even do it. Iraq took advantage of the post 9/11 mentality but they can’t do that again without another 9/11. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
On March 03 2022 00:42 deacon.frost wrote: 2nd - ehm 2008 NATO said the following: NATO welcomes Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO. We agreed today that these countries will become members of NATO. https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_8443.htm To join NATO, You need to complete MAP (Membership Action Plan). When Russia invaded, Ukraine didn't even RECEIVE MAP, much less completed it. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On March 03 2022 00:56 KwarK wrote: Would they though? Cuba is already mega sanctioned and it’s not like they would invade Cuba. I really don’t see the parallel. Russia is invading Ukraine but the US wouldn’t nakedly invade Cuba. I don't think that US would invade, they would most probably launched a ship blockade while being angry, there's a difference in accessibility. But they would do everything in their power to stop it. That's my honest opinion simply based on the crisis. Honestly it's hard to tell as nobody tried that since then. But considering the last time a president spoke about the Monroe Doctrine was Trump who said it's more or less in effect means that it would be in violation. It's really hard to tell how far the US would go under Biden. On March 03 2022 00:57 Silvanel wrote: To join NATO, You need to complete MAP (Membership Action Plan). When Russia invaded, Ukraine didn't even RECEIVE MAP, much less completed it. You said that NATO didn't say they will allow to join. All I corrected was that NATO said they will allow Ukraine to join NATO. Once they pass the process, obviously, but NATO was willing to accept Ukraine. They literally said Ukraine will become a member. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Russian space agency Roscosmos is refusing to launch the next batch of 36 OneWeb internet satellites Friday, unless the company meets the state agency’s demands. Roscosmos head Dmitry Rogozin particularly emphasized that the ultimatum is a response to the U.K. sanctioning Russia over its invasion of Ukraine. Source | ||
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