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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46532 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-14 14:29:31
October 14 2025 14:26 GMT
#9721
On October 13 2025 22:47 Velr wrote:
I'm personally stoked for the ceasefire, can't wait to watch the clusterfuck be in the same spot in 1/5/10/15 years again.


I would be astonished if 2025 ends before the ceasefire is broken.

Edit: Apparently, it lasted less than a day... https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-fighters-tighten-grip-gaza-clouding-future-ceasefire-2025-10-14/

Both sides have already accused each other of breaking the agreement, such as: "Hamas accused Israel of violating the ceasefire. The Israeli military said it had fired on people who crossed truce lines and approached its forces after ignoring calls to turn back."
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland597 Posts
October 14 2025 15:04 GMT
#9722
It is no surprise that Hamas would try to deal with the gangs that Israel started supporting in the past months. This can be seen as a move to regain control of security in Gaza. It would, of course, be nice if they would put the people through proper due process and some kind of court of law, but considering the state of Gaza, it is hard to see how that kind of bureaucracy would be possible for some time. Those gangs also lack a proper status and pose a significant security risk. They could cause civil war in Gaza or attack Israel in an attempt to continue the war. Both would be disastrous for the future.

The missing bodies of hostages also make sense as Hamas most likely has not carried them around from one hideout to another, but buried them somewhere. The people responsible for the body may also have died at some point, so Hamas may only know that the body is near some location that they haven't had access to for months.

People are again way too eager to jump to conclusions about a very chaotic situation.
Creator of Gresvan, Tropical Sacrifice, Taitalika, and Golden Forge
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3401 Posts
October 14 2025 17:15 GMT
#9723
On October 14 2025 13:24 RvB wrote:
Hamas is already breaking the terms of the ceasefire. [...]

Both sides have already breached various terms of the 'deal'.
It was never clear on many points anyway, so it's predictable that now is the time to test it.

Fortunately for now return to full scale war seems unlikely.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44385 Posts
October 14 2025 18:03 GMT
#9724
"No role for Hamas in post-war Gaza"

"No, role for Hamas in post-war Gaza"
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland597 Posts
October 14 2025 18:36 GMT
#9725
They probably should have had a replacement force ready if they actually wanted to replace Hamas. Creating a force now will allow Hamas to retake some control. Of course, creating a coalition would have been hard, as many options would have required the Palestinians to be present, and others could mount opposition to Israel's actions. Now there will be a scramble to form a force. This is not too bad for Netanyahu and company, as it gives an easy out of the deal in future.
Creator of Gresvan, Tropical Sacrifice, Taitalika, and Golden Forge
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1201 Posts
October 14 2025 20:53 GMT
#9726
The manufactured crisis is leaving Hamas in charge.


Hamas is armed and now doing a "Trump". They claim their is turmoil and chaos that needs control, so people with AK-47s are posted at every corner in a show of force- clearly a move to cling on to power.
There have been firefights with "clans" that could challenge Hamas domination over gaza and ther have been executions already.

Next phase, shoot an IDF squad, and get another 150,000 people killed for it.
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2557 Posts
October 14 2025 21:09 GMT
#9727
It's cruel to the Palestinians to leave Hamas there, but what is the alternative? Hamas came into power killing Palestinians, and they are back at it now. Maybe someone can take power from them now that Hamas doesn't have as much Iranian support. But if they do, how likely is it that they will be noticeably better for the people if they are strong and violent enough to wrest control from Hamas? Hamas came into power killing Palestinians, and they are back at it now.
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1201 Posts
October 15 2025 09:15 GMT
#9728
As I wrote 150 pages or so ago, IDF should have taken over Gaza and protect and International civil effort re-educate Gazanians and help them self organize around a secular democratic, not militant-islamistic self governance.

This "Peace" is just Israel getting their hostages back, for releasing 2000 hostages they held, and give back 40% of a completely destroyed gaza to a militant-islamist terror regime.

Of course that always leaves room to interpret Hamas as "too dangerous" and another military intervention necessary.

This "peace" is just Israel stopping the bombs for now, probably having a shadow deal with Hamas for letting the leaders they didn't kill rule what they left of Gaza for a bit.
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12583 Posts
October 15 2025 09:18 GMT
#9729
On October 15 2025 18:15 KT_Elwood wrote:
As I wrote 150 pages or so ago, IDF should have taken over Gaza and protect and International civil effort re-educate Gazanians and help them self organize around a secular democratic, not militant-islamistic self governance.

This "Peace" is just Israel getting their hostages back, for releasing 2000 hostages they held, and give back 40% of a completely destroyed gaza to a militant-islamist terror regime.

Of course that always leaves room to interpret Hamas as "too dangerous" and another military intervention necessary.

This "peace" is just Israel stopping the bombs for now, probably having a shadow deal with Hamas for letting the leaders they didn't kill rule what they left of Gaza for a bit.


The problem with the IDF taking over Gaza and protecting it is that the IDF is the main actor that Gaza needs protection from, so it doesn't make a ton of sense as a real world proposition.
No will to live, no wish to die
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1201 Posts
October 15 2025 09:51 GMT
#9730
Replace IDF with swiss troops then .. but using Hamas as "Policeforce" is just an invitation to not give back any more land now.
And that's an invitation to further escalation.
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10970 Posts
October 15 2025 10:40 GMT
#9731
On October 15 2025 18:18 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2025 18:15 KT_Elwood wrote:
As I wrote 150 pages or so ago, IDF should have taken over Gaza and protect and International civil effort re-educate Gazanians and help them self organize around a secular democratic, not militant-islamistic self governance.

This "Peace" is just Israel getting their hostages back, for releasing 2000 hostages they held, and give back 40% of a completely destroyed gaza to a militant-islamist terror regime.

Of course that always leaves room to interpret Hamas as "too dangerous" and another military intervention necessary.

This "peace" is just Israel stopping the bombs for now, probably having a shadow deal with Hamas for letting the leaders they didn't kill rule what they left of Gaza for a bit.


The problem with the IDF taking over Gaza and protecting it is that the IDF is the main actor that Gaza needs protection from, so it doesn't make a ton of sense as a real world proposition.


Makes about as much sense as letting Hamas do it. Nah, actually it makes more sense for the IDF to do it.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12583 Posts
October 15 2025 11:20 GMT
#9732
On October 15 2025 18:51 KT_Elwood wrote:
Replace IDF with swiss troops then .. but using Hamas as "Policeforce" is just an invitation to not give back any more land now.
And that's an invitation to further escalation.


An international force to protect Palestinians would be great yeah. But if we're not doing that for Ukraine we probably aren't going to start for Palestine are we
No will to live, no wish to die
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1201 Posts
October 15 2025 12:22 GMT
#9733
My prediction is, that the last part of a complete anihilation of arab population in Gaza will be civil war with IDF standing by, doing nothing.
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
October 15 2025 15:48 GMT
#9734
On October 15 2025 21:22 KT_Elwood wrote:
My prediction is, that the last part of a complete anihilation of arab population in Gaza will be civil war with IDF standing by, doing nothing.
and the silver lining ...?
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10970 Posts
October 16 2025 13:23 GMT
#9735
On October 16 2025 00:48 xM(Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2025 21:22 KT_Elwood wrote:
My prediction is, that the last part of a complete anihilation of arab population in Gaza will be civil war with IDF standing by, doing nothing.
and the silver lining ...?



Genocide Biden wasn't elected... Or something like that I assume.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12583 Posts
October 16 2025 14:11 GMT
#9736
On October 16 2025 22:23 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2025 00:48 xM(Z wrote:
On October 15 2025 21:22 KT_Elwood wrote:
My prediction is, that the last part of a complete anihilation of arab population in Gaza will be civil war with IDF standing by, doing nothing.
and the silver lining ...?



Genocide Biden wasn't elected... Or something like that I assume.


Why would he consider this a silver lining? Did you just really want to write this
No will to live, no wish to die
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-16 16:13:41
October 16 2025 16:13 GMT
#9737
well this part "a complete anihilation of arab population in Gaza" was a bit off because at the very least there are arab jews there, and i don't see them getting annihilated ...
or, it could mean that all non-arabs will be fine ... which might be a silver lining, somehow.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
PremoBeats
Profile Joined March 2024
660 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-17 06:37:25
October 17 2025 06:16 GMT
#9738
On October 15 2025 21:22 KT_Elwood wrote:
My prediction is, that the last part of a complete anihilation of arab population in Gaza will be civil war with IDF standing by, doing nothing.


How would a civil war end in complete annihilation?

On October 17 2025 01:13 xM(Z wrote:
well this part "a complete anihilation of arab population in Gaza" was a bit off because at the very least there are arab jews there, and i don't see them getting annihilated ...
or, it could mean that all non-arabs will be fine ... which might be a silver lining, somehow.


Ah yes, the flourishing Arab Jew and non-Arab population in Gaza... how could we forget them?
Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland597 Posts
October 17 2025 09:33 GMT
#9739
I wonder if, at any point, people will consider the agreement text to be actually bad and a source of any of the issues occurring. I have seen some academics point out issues like vagueness and lack of Palestinian involvement in future as issues. However, in general, it seems that people do not want to criticise it as it has achieved a ceasefire for now. Many admit that Netanyahu and Trump are not trustworthy and, in general, corrupt people, but somehow the deal they have agreed on is good.
Creator of Gresvan, Tropical Sacrifice, Taitalika, and Golden Forge
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17851 Posts
October 17 2025 11:21 GMT
#9740


A good video talking about the tunnel networks below Gaza.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
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