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On June 18 2025 11:37 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2025 11:28 Billyboy wrote:On June 18 2025 11:20 Nebuchad wrote:On June 18 2025 11:12 Billyboy wrote:
Pretty poor example. I bring up LGBT rights pretty often. Even in this thread. I'm often confused on why again you are not upset with Iran record on that and somehow Israel's record on that gives them no benefit in your mid. I do not believe that a good response to people being against LGBT rights is ethnic cleansing (in the case of Gaza) or regime change with the purpose of eliminating opposition to an ethnic cleansing (in the case of Iran). In many ways I think that ethnic cleansing is worse than opposition to LGBT rights. The reason why I am in favor of LGBT rights is my humanist values, and my humanist values also apply to other forms of identities, for example religious identity. As you're aware, I am not often asked if I think Israel is justified in not being opposed to LGBT rights. I think they are justified in that. I am more often asked to look away from their other actions because of their support for LGBT rights. This is called pinkwashing, and it is disgusting, especially to people who are in the LGBT community. This is why there is a lot of connexion between the LGBT community and pro-Palestine crowds. On June 18 2025 11:19 Billyboy wrote:
That is the exact point I've been trying to make to you for a long time. So thank you. And it might be time to adjust your media intake so that you are hearing equal or better yet slightly more terrible stuff about Iran because it is happening and they are doing it, even within their own boarders! It must have been years since we had a discussion that you didn't start, so if you think I'm too much in your face, I have a solution for you, it's the same as always: stop engaging me. My media intake is excellent. But we have established that you agree that Iran is more Fascist and more genocidal. So a logical person would hate that government even more and then when they started looking at other criteria they cared about a lot, not as much as the other one but still lots, and that one was a clear win, and there was a whole bunch of clear wins but for you it is the opposite one that is always top of mind and constantly irritating. We have not established that Iran is more genocidal, in fact we have established the opposite, as Iran is currently not in process of committing a genocide, while Israel is. As already explained in the last post, I do not accept your absolutely insane logic that if Iran is worse than Israel, it means I must support Israel in a war against Iran. This is never how I, or any other sane person, looks at a question like this. Otherwise Bush was very justified in attacking Saddam, and we would have to check how the Rohyngia feel about liberal values before we decide that Myanmar did a bad thing. Edit: you'll have to excuse me, it's 4:50 am and I still have to do the 1h15 of exercise bike that I do every day (even though I have lost zero weight from doing it, lol). Hopefully I have made it clear enough that I have zero problem answering your questions. Have a pleasant rest of your day.
Kind of funny timing I forced myself to stop reading, watched the end of the hockey game and went to bed. That stinks if weight loss is your goal and it is not happening. The bonus of things is I'm sure it is making you healthier and good job that takes a lot of discipline.
I guess I was mistaken from your response to Kwark. I find it difficult to fully understand your post when you say things like, that does not argue with my point or whatever, because that sounds like agreement, but apparently is not. If you had more complete answers it would be a lot easier. It seems like you are often more interested in winning than understanding or being understood.
My logic is not that you need to support Israel in this, it never has been. It is that it is not black and white all grey. And this one much less grey than Hamas/Gaza. Iran is a existential threat to Israel. They do have open genocidal intent that they have acted on. They were close to a nuke and openly going for it (weeks to a year away). Israel is going after military, leadership and nukes, Iran's answers to not getting nukes was basically "fuck you" for the last while.
On June 18 2025 14:22 Husyelt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2025 14:01 RenSC2 wrote:
There's a fallacy around the whole "every year Israel says Iran is going to get the bomb and it never happens, so Israel is lying". The fallacy is that Israel has taken numerous actions to prevent it, so saying that Israel has been wrong is not correct.
It's like saying that your mechanic is wrong when he says your car will break down if you don't change the oil and then he changes the oil and your car doesn't break down. So now you're angry at your mechanic for charging you for an oil change because the car never broke down.
That would be stupid, but that could very well be what's happening with Israel and Iran's nuclear weapons program. They've assassinated scientists, bombed, and used cyber warfare to prevent it. We'll never know for sure where Iran's program would be if it was left alone, but there's a much greater than 0% chance a bomb would already exist if not for Israel's actions.
I know people give too much credit for responding well to disasters and not nearly enough credit for preventing them, but we shouldn't call someone a liar when they take action to prevent something bad from happening. Even if this were absolutely true, Israel has shown very little evidence that Iran was within a year of creating a nuclear bomb going back decades. If it were "kinda" true, they would be making massive propaganda style documentaries and movies about just how close things were and the brave heroes who used subterfuge and cunning to stop Iran ... getting a nuclear bomb, which Israel has. There's also no real reason to think Iran would just detonate a nuke inside Israel even if they could teleport one there. I know they have charters about death to america and israel, but judging from their past 5 years or so they are very pragmatic and often reach out to the US when Israel is being a bully. If you do a preemptive strike you have to follow insanely strict legal steps to do so as a defensive measure. They would need absolute proof that not only did Iran have nuclear weapons, but was about to launch them imminently. Right now we just have some generic facility images and no reason to think they were close to finishing, let alone loading one into a ICBM or some other form and then launching. A nuke going off in any middle east country would be an unmitigated disaster for the entire region and world. Most countries get nukes for their trump card. Yes you can invade us but eventually we will be forced to glass your army.
If you wait until someone has nukes and is about to launch them it is too late. You include most in you second last sentence and that is the scary part, is Iran party of the most? Maybe, but if you are in charge of the country whos people are constantly threatened by extinction then that most other countries would only use it this way is not a compelling argument. It is not chatters, they set up multiple proxy armies to directly attack.
It will be interesting to see how other world leaders react. But Germany's came out with outright support.
German Chancellor Friedrich Merz has praised Israel for doing the “dirty work for all of us” by striking Iran and preventing it from building a nuclear weapon.
In an interview with Germany’s ZDF broadcaster on the sidelines of the G7 summit in Canada, Merz was asked if he agreed that Israel was doing the world’s “dirty work” against a regime that in the West is viewed as a “disruptive” force.
Merz said he was “grateful” for the interviewer using the term “dirty work.”
“This is the dirty work that Israel is doing for all of us,” he said. “The (Iranian) regime has brought death and destruction to the world with attacks, with murder and manslaughter, with Hezbollah, with Hamas.”
Merz said attacks like the one launched by Hamas on Israel on October 7, 2023 “would never have been possible” without the regime in Iran.
“I can only say I have the greatest respect for what the Israeli military and government has had the courage to do,” Merz said. The alternative, he claimed, would have been many more “months and years of this regime’s terror – and then possibly with a nuclear weapon in its hand.”
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On June 18 2025 06:55 Mohdoo wrote:Looks like Israel has made their selection: https://thehill.com/policy/international/5355513-iran-reza-pahlavi-rebel-khamenei/Show nested quote +Reza Pahlavi, the exiled crown prince of Iran and son of the last Persian Shah, urged Iranians on Tuesday to prepare for the impending fall of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and the Islamic Republic as the country struggles to fight off attacks from Israel.
“The Islamic Republic has reached its end and is in the process of collapsing,” Pahlavi wrote on the social platform X. “Khamenei, like a frightened rat, has gone into hiding underground and has lost control of the situation.”
“What has begun is irreversible. The future is bright, and together, we will pass through this sharp turn in history,” he added.
The military conflict between Iran and Israel stretched into its fifth day Tuesday, with little signs of slowing as Israel hammers its Middle East rival over Tehran’s nuclear pursuits.
President Trump departed the Group of Seven summit of world leaders in Canada late Monday — a day earlier than expected to return to Washington to monitor the ongoing conflict. He met with top security officials in Situation Room on Tuesday to assess the developments.
He has not ruled out the possibility of U.S. military involvement.
The Pahlavi dynasty ruled Iran from 1925 to 1979, when it was overthrown in the Islamic Revolution.
Pahlavi, penning his social media posts in English and Farsi, directed the message to his “fellow countrymen” and encouraged an uprising.
“Now is the time to rise; the time to reclaim Iran,” he wrote. “Let us all come forward … and bring about the end of this regime.”
Pahlavi advised that there is a plan to establish a democratic government in Iran within 100 days of the collapse of the Islamic Republic.
He also urged “military, law enforcement, security forces and state employees” to join the effort to topple the government under Khamenei.
“Do not stand against the Iranian people for the sake of a regime whose fall has begun and is inevitable,” Pahlavi wrote. “Do not sacrifice yourselves for a decaying regime.”
“By standing with the people, you can save your lives. Play a historic role in the transition from the Islamic Republic, and take part in building the future of Iran,” he added.
The last time someone imposed a Shah upon the Iranian population it went so so well, after all.
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On June 18 2025 20:47 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2025 06:55 Mohdoo wrote:Looks like Israel has made their selection: https://thehill.com/policy/international/5355513-iran-reza-pahlavi-rebel-khamenei/Reza Pahlavi, the exiled crown prince of Iran and son of the last Persian Shah, urged Iranians on Tuesday to prepare for the impending fall of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and the Islamic Republic as the country struggles to fight off attacks from Israel.
“The Islamic Republic has reached its end and is in the process of collapsing,” Pahlavi wrote on the social platform X. “Khamenei, like a frightened rat, has gone into hiding underground and has lost control of the situation.”
“What has begun is irreversible. The future is bright, and together, we will pass through this sharp turn in history,” he added.
The military conflict between Iran and Israel stretched into its fifth day Tuesday, with little signs of slowing as Israel hammers its Middle East rival over Tehran’s nuclear pursuits.
President Trump departed the Group of Seven summit of world leaders in Canada late Monday — a day earlier than expected to return to Washington to monitor the ongoing conflict. He met with top security officials in Situation Room on Tuesday to assess the developments.
He has not ruled out the possibility of U.S. military involvement.
The Pahlavi dynasty ruled Iran from 1925 to 1979, when it was overthrown in the Islamic Revolution.
Pahlavi, penning his social media posts in English and Farsi, directed the message to his “fellow countrymen” and encouraged an uprising.
“Now is the time to rise; the time to reclaim Iran,” he wrote. “Let us all come forward … and bring about the end of this regime.”
Pahlavi advised that there is a plan to establish a democratic government in Iran within 100 days of the collapse of the Islamic Republic.
He also urged “military, law enforcement, security forces and state employees” to join the effort to topple the government under Khamenei.
“Do not stand against the Iranian people for the sake of a regime whose fall has begun and is inevitable,” Pahlavi wrote. “Do not sacrifice yourselves for a decaying regime.”
“By standing with the people, you can save your lives. Play a historic role in the transition from the Islamic Republic, and take part in building the future of Iran,” he added. The last time someone imposed a Shah upon the Iranian population it went so so well, after all.
Disposing of evil dictators seems fairly straight forward. Leaving the country in a better place has been an epic failure since ww2.
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On June 17 2025 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:
What are the minimum conditions before it is reasonable to say WW3 has started?
Two great powers are in direct conflict.
Multiple of their allies are pulled into the war.
It is fought in a geographically wide area on more than 1 continent.
Deaths are in the millions or billions.
As far as I can see none of the above is true for an Israel/Iran war. There have been multiple larger wars since WW2 than this would be.
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We are still no closer to decision of official US involvement.
Nobody knows if Trump will do it.
That most likely includes Trump himself.
But come to think of it, he backed down so many times recently that he might have little choice.
Isolationist MAGA crowd will forgive him, provided the costs are low of course.
Look at Bibi - he got more Israelis killed than Hamas holds hostages and is now politically stronger then ever.
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Are the isolationists opposed to even just doing bombing runs and bunker busting? No land invasion. No occupation. Just collapsed state. Total chaos. Israel gets their regional hegemony. No one in the area will be capable of opposing Israel. Greater Israel will be pretty much guaranteed.
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On June 18 2025 08:53 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2025 08:25 Nebuchad wrote:On June 18 2025 08:08 Billyboy wrote:
It is relevant, the same as it was that SK thought the best time was 30 years ago, then 29, then 28, the 27, the 26, then 25.
Did that happen? On June 18 2025 08:08 Billyboy wrote:
Of course what the Israeli's think matters, Israel is a democracy. It does not mean they can stop it today, but Netanyahu is intelligent and self interested, he wants to remain in power and more importantly out of jail. things happening in the US are popular with like 40% of the population or whatever, Trumps numbers have barely dropped. Tons of people love what he is doing with immigration, his base is largely unchanged. Could him going back on his no war talk matter? Maybe, but going back on the 1000 other things has not. I have no idea where you are getting the 95% number from? Like some single issue that is low on Americans priorities or what?
I am sorry to say that you have a deep misunderstanding of how democracy works. When the ruler of a democracy decides to do something, he doesn't stop and check whether the population approves of it or not, especially not in a representative democracy. You absolutely cannot conclude that because the majority of people think something in a democracy, therefore that's what the government is doing, we have an absolute plethora of examples of that not happening, in every democracy in the world. - 59% of Americans disapprove of the administration’s tariff increases, while 39% approve. - 55% disapprove of the cuts the administration is making to federal departments and agencies, while 44% approve. ( 51% say the cuts will make the government run worse, while 36% say they will make the government run better. 48% expect the cuts will cost Americans money in the long run. Fewer (41%) say the cuts will save money. ) - 78% say the Trump administration should have to follow a federal court’s ruling, rising to 88% if the Supreme Court were to issue the ruling. ( 91% of Democrats and 65% of Republicans say the administration would need to stop an action if a federal court ruled it illegal, rising to 95% of Democrats and 82% of Republicans for a Supreme Court ruling. ) https://ibb.co/B5zj6k50If we look past Trump, Americans have been pro-choice to the tune of like 75% to 25%, and in favor of more background checks before buying a gun in the 90%, and, you know, that didn't happen. On June 18 2025 08:21 WombaT wrote:
So, entirely arbitrary numbers to go back to my 40/60, maybe the 40% are absolutely hardcore about it, and the 60 in opposition. The 40% can still influence government policy disproportionately Okay, and therefore the views of an average person don't correlate to what is policy, which is my point. Yes it did happen, NK got the nuke.
And what NK did with it? Kept it to ensure that nobody will send them bombs and democracy.
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On June 19 2025 00:58 pmp10 wrote:We are still no closer to decision of official US involvement. Nobody knows if Trump will do it.That most likely includes Trump himself. But come to think of it, he backed down so many times recently that he might have little choice. Isolationist MAGA crowd will forgive him, provided the costs are low of course. Look at Bibi - he got more Israelis killed than Hamas holds hostages and is now politically stronger then ever.
Bibi is not strong at all. He's been far behind the opposition in polls since October 7 except for a little bump after the escalation against Hezbollah. The failure of October 7 will haunt his legacy forever no matter what he does. He's out with the next elections.
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On June 19 2025 01:14 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2025 08:53 Billyboy wrote:On June 18 2025 08:25 Nebuchad wrote:On June 18 2025 08:08 Billyboy wrote:
It is relevant, the same as it was that SK thought the best time was 30 years ago, then 29, then 28, the 27, the 26, then 25.
Did that happen? On June 18 2025 08:08 Billyboy wrote:
Of course what the Israeli's think matters, Israel is a democracy. It does not mean they can stop it today, but Netanyahu is intelligent and self interested, he wants to remain in power and more importantly out of jail. things happening in the US are popular with like 40% of the population or whatever, Trumps numbers have barely dropped. Tons of people love what he is doing with immigration, his base is largely unchanged. Could him going back on his no war talk matter? Maybe, but going back on the 1000 other things has not. I have no idea where you are getting the 95% number from? Like some single issue that is low on Americans priorities or what?
I am sorry to say that you have a deep misunderstanding of how democracy works. When the ruler of a democracy decides to do something, he doesn't stop and check whether the population approves of it or not, especially not in a representative democracy. You absolutely cannot conclude that because the majority of people think something in a democracy, therefore that's what the government is doing, we have an absolute plethora of examples of that not happening, in every democracy in the world. - 59% of Americans disapprove of the administration’s tariff increases, while 39% approve. - 55% disapprove of the cuts the administration is making to federal departments and agencies, while 44% approve. ( 51% say the cuts will make the government run worse, while 36% say they will make the government run better. 48% expect the cuts will cost Americans money in the long run. Fewer (41%) say the cuts will save money. ) - 78% say the Trump administration should have to follow a federal court’s ruling, rising to 88% if the Supreme Court were to issue the ruling. ( 91% of Democrats and 65% of Republicans say the administration would need to stop an action if a federal court ruled it illegal, rising to 95% of Democrats and 82% of Republicans for a Supreme Court ruling. ) https://ibb.co/B5zj6k50If we look past Trump, Americans have been pro-choice to the tune of like 75% to 25%, and in favor of more background checks before buying a gun in the 90%, and, you know, that didn't happen. On June 18 2025 08:21 WombaT wrote:
So, entirely arbitrary numbers to go back to my 40/60, maybe the 40% are absolutely hardcore about it, and the 60 in opposition. The 40% can still influence government policy disproportionately Okay, and therefore the views of an average person don't correlate to what is policy, which is my point. Yes it did happen, NK got the nuke. And what NK did with it? Kept it to ensure that nobody will send them bombs and democracy.
I had noticed they have not nuked anyone yet. I also had noticed that before they had it no one had sent bombs or democracy their way. So if your point is that no NK has security and the rest of the world has more risk that is true but I would not say we are better off.
On June 19 2025 01:13 Legan wrote:
Are the isolationists opposed to even just doing bombing runs and bunker busting? No land invasion. No occupation. Just collapsed state. Total chaos. Israel gets their regional hegemony. No one in the area will be capable of opposing Israel. Greater Israel will be pretty much guaranteed.
I think they would get over it if it was just a bomb. There is a lot of anger videos and stuff about impeaching Trump but they almost always talk of "another forever war". They have got over other big swings from Trump so why not this one?
Israel will far be the only power in the middle east or even the biggest. Turkey and SA have double their GDP, UAE Egypt are roughly the same. What will be over is the Russian influence in the area, pending Syria. My not super informed opinion is that Turkey will have a oversized influence in the area, which is probably a win over Russia.
The chaos point is one I always struggle with. It clearly is a real thing, but it also seems to be defeatist and taking away the agency from the people. Like are we willing to just say sorry it sucks you have evil dictator making it awful for everyone but it could be worse? And I mean, it could be. In Iran's case though, they are making it worse for not only their own country but quite a few others, does that change the math?
To Rayzda's point is it better that NK just sits there being super awful to their own people as long as they keep it to just that? Or is it worth the risk of other countries soldiers, costs and possible chaos/worse that follows? For me they are not easy questions to answer because the situations are so dynamic and impossible to predict.
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Yeah I genuinely don't understand what all the anti-war dweebs are whining about.
Trump authorizing a big ole dump truck of bombs on the underground stuff could be argued as a net positive for peace. Iran is toast anyway. I think everyone here agrees its not like they are crawling back from this. Khameini and his yeehaw jihad redneck council of dweebs are done and something else will come after that. The US moving things along to make this a more conclusive and direct victory prevents all the usual loose ends that end up being the most bloody.
No nation building. No facilitating elections or whatever. Just leave a pile of rubble and gesture to Iranian citizens to figure it out. If the UqatarN wants to do something, they can have it. or whoever. But I don't think Israel or the US need to be even slightly involved in anything that comes after their military and nuclear programs being poofed away
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On June 19 2025 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
But I don't think Israel or the US need to be even slightly involved in anything that comes after their military and nuclear programs being poofed away
This is good because the US and Israel will ask for your opinion before they decide what should come after
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I was going to mention how the libs/Dems/ilk that abandoned the "you break it, you bought it" reasoning after Libya is making it easier for ostensibly left people to support further destabilizing the region while Netanyahu basically arms ISIS.
Former Israeli Defense Minister and opposition lawmaker Avigdor Liberman on Thursday accused Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of authorizing weapons transfers to a criminal gang in Gaza that he likened to the ISIS terrorist group. Netanyahu appeared later in the day to confirm the operation, suggesting it would save the lives of Israeli forces battling Hamas in the Palestinian territory.
"They are receiving weapons from the state of Israel. It's a total madness," Liberman said in a radio interview. "It's unclear to me who approved it."
Liberman said the head of Israel's primary domestic intelligence agency Shin Bet was aware of the weapons transfers, "but I'm not sure the [Israel Defense Forces] knows. We're talking about the equivalent of ISIS in Gaza. No one can guarantee that these weapons will not be directed at Israel. We have no way of monitoring or following."
www.cbsnews.com
But Mohdoo's comment couldn't really be much more demonstrative of this.
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On June 19 2025 02:30 GreenHorizons wrote:I was going to mention how the libs/Dems/ilk that abandoned the "you break it, you bought it" reasoning after Libya is making it easier for ostensibly left people to support further destabilizing the region while Netanyahu basically arms ISIS. Show nested quote +Former Israeli Defense Minister and opposition lawmaker Avigdor Liberman on Thursday accused Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of authorizing weapons transfers to a criminal gang in Gaza that he likened to the ISIS terrorist group. Netanyahu appeared later in the day to confirm the operation, suggesting it would save the lives of Israeli forces battling Hamas in the Palestinian territory.
"They are receiving weapons from the state of Israel. It's a total madness," Liberman said in a radio interview. "It's unclear to me who approved it."
Liberman said the head of Israel's primary domestic intelligence agency Shin Bet was aware of the weapons transfers, "but I'm not sure the [Israel Defense Forces] knows. We're talking about the equivalent of ISIS in Gaza. No one can guarantee that these weapons will not be directed at Israel. We have no way of monitoring or following." www.cbsnews.comBut Mohdoo's comment couldn't really be much more demonstrative of this.
Liberals oppose every war except the current war
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On June 19 2025 02:30 GreenHorizons wrote:I was going to mention how the libs/Dems/ilk that abandoned the "you break it, you bought it" reasoning after Libya is making it easier for ostensibly left people to support further destabilizing the region while Netanyahu basically arms ISIS. Show nested quote +Former Israeli Defense Minister and opposition lawmaker Avigdor Liberman on Thursday accused Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of authorizing weapons transfers to a criminal gang in Gaza that he likened to the ISIS terrorist group. Netanyahu appeared later in the day to confirm the operation, suggesting it would save the lives of Israeli forces battling Hamas in the Palestinian territory.
"They are receiving weapons from the state of Israel. It's a total madness," Liberman said in a radio interview. "It's unclear to me who approved it."
Liberman said the head of Israel's primary domestic intelligence agency Shin Bet was aware of the weapons transfers, "but I'm not sure the [Israel Defense Forces] knows. We're talking about the equivalent of ISIS in Gaza. No one can guarantee that these weapons will not be directed at Israel. We have no way of monitoring or following." www.cbsnews.comBut Mohdoo's comment couldn't really be much more demonstrative of this.
yeah i don't see it like an antique store. Just toss the IRGC and their mountains into a dumpster and move on
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On June 19 2025 02:28 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2025 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
But I don't think Israel or the US need to be even slightly involved in anything that comes after their military and nuclear programs being poofed away This is good because the US and Israel will ask for your opinion before they decide what should come after
What makes you so convinced that your domino theory is correct?
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On June 19 2025 02:38 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2025 02:28 Nebuchad wrote:On June 19 2025 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
But I don't think Israel or the US need to be even slightly involved in anything that comes after their military and nuclear programs being poofed away This is good because the US and Israel will ask for your opinion before they decide what should come after What makes you so convinced that your domino theory is correct?
Object permanence.
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On June 19 2025 02:39 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2025 02:38 Billyboy wrote:On June 19 2025 02:28 Nebuchad wrote:On June 19 2025 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
But I don't think Israel or the US need to be even slightly involved in anything that comes after their military and nuclear programs being poofed away This is good because the US and Israel will ask for your opinion before they decide what should come after What makes you so convinced that your domino theory is correct? Object permanence.
What a fancy way of saying faith in their evil.
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On June 19 2025 02:43 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2025 02:39 Nebuchad wrote:On June 19 2025 02:38 Billyboy wrote:On June 19 2025 02:28 Nebuchad wrote:On June 19 2025 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
But I don't think Israel or the US need to be even slightly involved in anything that comes after their military and nuclear programs being poofed away This is good because the US and Israel will ask for your opinion before they decide what should come after What makes you so convinced that your domino theory is correct? Object permanence. What a fancy way of saying faith in their evil.
That is actually not the definition of object permanence, you are wrong.
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On June 19 2025 02:34 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2025 02:30 GreenHorizons wrote:I was going to mention how the libs/Dems/ilk that abandoned the "you break it, you bought it" reasoning after Libya is making it easier for ostensibly left people to support further destabilizing the region while Netanyahu basically arms ISIS. Former Israeli Defense Minister and opposition lawmaker Avigdor Liberman on Thursday accused Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of authorizing weapons transfers to a criminal gang in Gaza that he likened to the ISIS terrorist group. Netanyahu appeared later in the day to confirm the operation, suggesting it would save the lives of Israeli forces battling Hamas in the Palestinian territory.
"They are receiving weapons from the state of Israel. It's a total madness," Liberman said in a radio interview. "It's unclear to me who approved it."
Liberman said the head of Israel's primary domestic intelligence agency Shin Bet was aware of the weapons transfers, "but I'm not sure the [Israel Defense Forces] knows. We're talking about the equivalent of ISIS in Gaza. No one can guarantee that these weapons will not be directed at Israel. We have no way of monitoring or following." www.cbsnews.comBut Mohdoo's comment couldn't really be much more demonstrative of this. yeah i don't see it like an antique store. Just toss the IRGC and their mountains into a dumpster and move on
I think this is part of why a rising China is so terrifying to Westerners. Westerners are fucked if anyone is ever more powerful than them and disregards/treats them even half as bad as they treat others.
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On June 19 2025 02:44 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2025 02:43 Billyboy wrote:On June 19 2025 02:39 Nebuchad wrote:On June 19 2025 02:38 Billyboy wrote:On June 19 2025 02:28 Nebuchad wrote:On June 19 2025 02:12 Mohdoo wrote:
But I don't think Israel or the US need to be even slightly involved in anything that comes after their military and nuclear programs being poofed away This is good because the US and Israel will ask for your opinion before they decide what should come after What makes you so convinced that your domino theory is correct? Object permanence. What a fancy way of saying faith in their evil. That is actually not the definition of object permanence, you are wrong.
It is how it is related to this statement, since what someone is going do is not an object.
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