Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine - Page 292

On June 16 2024 06:21 Elroi wrote:

Hamas literally paraded dying civilians in the streets and bragged about killing Jews in videos as a propaganda stunt (before they took them down to better play the victim card). I would bet they did that because it strengthens their support, not the opposite.

On June 18 2024 04:57 stilt wrote:


There were killed and taken as Israeli, not jew. Just like french civilian killed in algeria weren't kill for anti white racism or whatever bullshit.

That said, judging by your posts, you obvioulsy support israel as there is no political correctness: in this country
- it is a state where you can shot 2 yo arab without any repercussion and way before the 07/10, a dream for many
- it's a state when pupils and students yell "burn your house" in class
- where hearing "death to the arabs" on massive demonstration is perfectly fine, you basically have 700k colons who are preaching it
- where questionning if arab have a animal soul or not is fine as well
- where since years, the "center left" scholars asks the question of a ethnic cleasing of the arab israeli, what a nice democracy
- where rabbi asks to prevent the arab to access to propriety like in safaad
- when according to poll 4% of the jewish population actually thinks it has gone too far.
- A state born by ethnic cleasing and ghettoisation of the rest of the arab population

It's pretty obvious Israel is becoming a model for the european right to deal with the brown people.
Funnily enough, the far right in france is super zionist but now is beginning to praise petain, the head of colloborationist france just like orban who adopts the same position while praising horthy. At least, supremacist recognizes their own kind.

On June 18 2024 05:22 BlackJack wrote:


Are you seriously trying to argue that Hamas is not anti-Jew racist? Let me guess, calling for the destruction of Israel and annihilation of Jews doesn't cross your threshold but calling for anything short of an open border makes you a fascist racist xenophobe.

On June 18 2024 05:25 stilt wrote:


As if you're calling for anything short of open border. You're litteraly supporting a racist society which is commiting a slaughter.
People who rant about muslim immogration while supporting a society which mass murder arab muslim are racists, my apologies if you hate muslim arabs, not my fault.

But go on Israel, not only you can scream death to arab as much as much as you want but you can murder them as well !

And to answer you, every single palestinian struggles have been called antisemite by people with your agenda regardless of their ideologies (marxist, nationalist, islamist whatever)

On June 18 2024 05:58 BlackJack wrote:


My posts on this forum, on the whole, would probably be described as staunchly anti-Israel. I'm probably somewhat biased as my paternal grandfather was from Syria. But simply questioning your ridiculous claim that Hamas is not anti-Jew and your gut reaction is to call me an anti-arab racist. Have you considered that maybe I don't hate arabs and I just hate shitty arguments? Maybe we are on the same side of this discussion and I'm just keen enough to know that calling everyone that disagrees with your bad arguments a racist is a disservice to our side?

On June 18 2024 06:07 stilt wrote:


Saying 07/10 and the palestinian struggle before is antisemit is indeed having an agenda as it is legitimizing their cause as if the racine of the conflict were ideological. It is not, occupation, murder, torture occur on the west bank while gaza is choked.
You having syrian origin doesn't change it at all, I don't even get why you're bringing that up, especially considering how diverse the country is. Regardless my comparaison with the algerian conflict is valid, like it or not.

And calling people who are supporting a racist society with genocidal intent racist is a disservice ? What the fuck are you saying ? Since when naming thing for what they are is a disservice ?
Just like your euphemism on elroy ideology is pathetic
On the contrary, this thread is all about conjoncture on palestinian society and very few about the israeli one.

On June 18 2024 09:00 Mohdoo wrote:


I am sure you are aware Mahmoud al-Zahar is a co-founder of Hamas and continues to be a high ranking member of their leadership. This is from 2022.

https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1711988348544491909

Even if you don't trust the person who wrote this tweet, the transcript of this video is widely available. It is unreasonable to try to say Hamas is not antisemitic.

I want to be clear this does not mean the IDF is free of sin and ethical. Palestinians being extreme victims does not mean the leading force against Israel is an ethical organization. I think it is a common mistake that people make, that so long as some group is deeply victimized, their leading faction fighting against their aggressor must be ethical or justified.

On June 19 2024 03:16 BlackJack wrote:
See how quickly you've pivoted from "there is no Palestinian antisemitism" to "Palestinian antisemitism is the result of the conditions they live in"? These are blatantly contradictory statements. You've just admitted that you were wrong but you still want to feel good about calling people anti-arab racists for disagreeing with your wrong statements.

On June 19 2024 03:45 stilt wrote:



Supporting a racist state which commits mass murdering is racist just like supporting nazi germany is. The fact you have trou le to realyze it means either you are racist or dumb. Or supporting south african apartheid as I guess you will change the goalpost with the point godwin.
As I have stated above, israeli are killed as a colon, not jew. Again you refuse any parallels with previous conflicts because you are unable to think or have an agenda

On June 19 2024 03:16 BlackJack wrote:
See how quickly you've pivoted from "there is no Palestinian antisemitism" to "Palestinian antisemitism is the result of the conditions they live in"? These are blatantly contradictory statements. You've just admitted that you were wrong but you still want to feel good about calling people anti-arab racists for disagreeing with your wrong statements.

On June 19 2024 15:52 Uldridge wrote:


I don't really see these as contradictory because you simply can't have inherent Palestinian antisemitism. Claiming an inherent property to an entire demography is kind of self defeating. However, just like there was no German antisemitism, the German antisemitism arose through well constructed propaganda, and this is also how Hamas is able to (next to the Israelites not being the most friendly neighbors), make antisemitism arise in Palestinians. Lay bare where it hurts and point to a common enemy. It's a contemporary framework, not baked into their genetic blueprint.

On June 19 2024 16:28 Uldridge wrote:
Then what do you mean with "Palestinian antisemitism"? And what's the difference with "Palestinian antisemitism is the result of the conditions they live in" and how do you conclude those are contradictory?

On June 19 2024 17:06 BlackJack wrote:


I'm not sure what you're stuck on. You can't argue that antisemitism only exists among Palestinians because of the conditions Israel has put them in and also argue that antisemitism doesn't exist among Palestinians at all. These two statements are contradictory. It can't both exist and not exist. The reason it exists is irrelevant.

None of that and nothing that was said has anything to do with claiming that Palestinians are inherently antisemitic by nature. The term "Palestinian antisemitism" doesn't even imply that. "Palestinian antisemitism" is simply how stilt decided to phrase it. It's not how I would have worded it as a native English speaker, but I saw no issue with repeating that phrasing. I don't see the loaded meaning that you seemed to have applied to it.