EPT2020 Presidential Debate - Page 35
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On October 08 2020 22:10 Nouar wrote: Your run of the mill republican senator asserting that democracy isn't the objective. No problem there. Be happy with *our* rule, we don't care if the majority thinks otherwise. Nice views. Bestest democracy in the world btw. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
An illiterate southerner's vote has more weight than the rest, cuz if it wasn't this way, republicans wouldn't be represented. Just like in most western democracies. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Simberto
Germany12026 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22661 Posts
On October 08 2020 22:52 Simberto wrote: yeah, Democracy just happens to be the best way to achieve liberty, peace and prosperity.I would actually possibly agree that democracy itself isn't the final objective. But you cannot achieve or guarantee that you maintain any of the real final objectives (like those that guy stated, liberty, peace and prosperity) without democracy. So democracy is still an important objective. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12026 Posts
On October 08 2020 22:55 Gorsameth wrote: yeah, Democracy just happens to be the best way to achieve liberty, peace and prosperity. Exactly. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Trump is planning on holding a rally instead. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24385 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12570 Posts
On October 08 2020 22:52 Simberto wrote: I would actually possibly agree that democracy itself isn't the final objective. But you cannot achieve or guarantee that you maintain any of the real final objectives (like those that guy stated, liberty, peace and prosperity) without democracy. So democracy is still an important objective. I don't think it makes a ton of sense for rightwingers to support democracy, it's the opposite of a meritocratic system. Benevolent AI that leads society in the right direction is what's more logical there in terms of ideology. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22661 Posts
On October 08 2020 23:48 Nebuchad wrote: Why do rightwingers want a meritocracy and how can you say that with a strait face while looking at the clusterfuck of unqualified people that is the Trump administration.I don't think it makes a ton of sense for rightwingers to support democracy, it's the opposite of a meritocratic system. Benevolent AI that leads society in the right direction is what's more logical there in terms of ideology. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12570 Posts
On October 09 2020 00:01 Gorsameth wrote: Why do rightwingers want a meritocracy and how can you say that with a strait face while looking at the clusterfuck of unqualified people that is the Trump administration. Those are far right, not rightwingers. They don't want a meritocracy, they want them and their friends to be on top regardless of merit. A simple dictatorship is a better system for them. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8201 Posts
It's clear that the american right is becoming authoritarian though. That's incredibly worrying. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On October 08 2020 23:44 GreenHorizons wrote: Is it even democracy if half the population doesn't vote? If it amounts to a random sample of the population (yes, that's an absolutely giant if), then yeah, you don't need even 1% of the pop voting for it to be a democratic process that correctly identifies the will of the people. Sure, a large % of the pop voting might indicate there isn't disenfranchisement of minorities, but it's also no guarantee. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On October 08 2020 23:44 GreenHorizons wrote: Is it even democracy if half the population doesn't vote? Depends. If they just can't be bothered to do it, yes. If they are suppressed, no. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24385 Posts
On October 09 2020 00:13 Sbrubbles wrote: If it amounts to a random sample of the population (yes, that's an absolutely giant if), then yeah, you don't need even 1% of the pop voting for it to be a democratic process that correctly identifies the will of the people. That's fair. We know it's not a random sample in the US though, so we can't use that to call it democracy. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8201 Posts
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