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On October 08 2020 11:49 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2020 11:48 WarSame wrote:
I think Pence excelled in sincerity which Harris really struggles with. He interrupted to his detriment, and overtalked the moderator, but it was relatively reasonable compared to previous non-Trump debates.
I think Pence struggled with the fact that... his platform and President is honestly garbage, and tons to defend. He also slipped just about every question. He didn't answer a single question, but maybe that's a good approach when you're in a situation like he was, where you're forced to defend the indefensible. still don't understand how Kamala got here.
She's a safe embodiment of the Democratic Party. Being a half-black half-Indian woman with a record as the tough on crime prosecutor who is also progressive ticks off a lot of the boxes on acceptability for the moderates and progressives.
On October 08 2020 11:56 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2020 11:49 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 08 2020 11:48 WarSame wrote:
I think Pence excelled in sincerity which Harris really struggles with. He interrupted to his detriment, and overtalked the moderator, but it was relatively reasonable compared to previous non-Trump debates.
I think Pence struggled with the fact that... his platform and President is honestly garbage, and tons to defend. He also slipped just about every question. He didn't answer a single question, but maybe that's a good approach when you're in a situation like he was, where you're forced to defend the indefensible. still don't understand how Kamala got here. Kamala is the next in line for the Presidency after Bidens term(s) are over, imo
This is absolutely being telegraphed by Biden and the Democrats as a whole. I believe Biden's said he's only taking up one term, and picking Harris for VP was a clear sign she's been chosen as the future of the party.
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On October 08 2020 11:49 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2020 11:48 WarSame wrote:
I think Pence excelled in sincerity which Harris really struggles with. He interrupted to his detriment, and overtalked the moderator, but it was relatively reasonable compared to previous non-Trump debates.
I think Pence struggled with the fact that... his platform and President is honestly garbage, and tons to defend. He also slipped just about every question. He didn't answer a single question, but maybe that's a good approach when you're in a situation like he was, where you're forced to defend the indefensible. still don't understand how Kamala got here.
She was the furthest left candidate who wasn't Bernie (who has all of Biden's weaknesses on age amped up) or Warren (Biden and her mutually loathe each other).
In addition, there was pressure to pick a black female VP from african american groups, who felt like they deserved a reward for keeping Biden in the primary.
She was a super strong candidate on paper but really weak in person. So, good VP material. She'll never overshadow Biden and I doubt she'll ever become a nominee picked in a primary.
On October 08 2020 11:58 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2020 11:49 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 08 2020 11:48 WarSame wrote:
I think Pence excelled in sincerity which Harris really struggles with. He interrupted to his detriment, and overtalked the moderator, but it was relatively reasonable compared to previous non-Trump debates.
I think Pence struggled with the fact that... his platform and President is honestly garbage, and tons to defend. He also slipped just about every question. He didn't answer a single question, but maybe that's a good approach when you're in a situation like he was, where you're forced to defend the indefensible. still don't understand how Kamala got here. She's a safe embodiment of the Democratic Party. Being a half-black half-Indian woman with a record as the tough on crime prosecutor who is also progressive ticks off a lot of the boxes on acceptability for the moderates and progressives. Show nested quote +On October 08 2020 11:56 Zambrah wrote:On October 08 2020 11:49 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 08 2020 11:48 WarSame wrote:
I think Pence excelled in sincerity which Harris really struggles with. He interrupted to his detriment, and overtalked the moderator, but it was relatively reasonable compared to previous non-Trump debates.
I think Pence struggled with the fact that... his platform and President is honestly garbage, and tons to defend. He also slipped just about every question. He didn't answer a single question, but maybe that's a good approach when you're in a situation like he was, where you're forced to defend the indefensible. still don't understand how Kamala got here. Kamala is the next in line for the Presidency after Bidens term(s) are over, imo This is absolutely being telegraphed by Biden and the Democrats as a whole. I believe Biden's said he's only taking up one term, and picking Harris for VP was a clear sign she's been chosen as the future of the party.
It'll never happen. She's just not charismatic enough to become President unless Biden literally dies in office. Not saying they don't want it, just that they're vastly overestimating her if that's a real plan.
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On October 08 2020 11:54 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2020 11:49 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 08 2020 11:48 WarSame wrote:
I think Pence excelled in sincerity which Harris really struggles with. He interrupted to his detriment, and overtalked the moderator, but it was relatively reasonable compared to previous non-Trump debates.
I think Pence struggled with the fact that... his platform and President is honestly garbage, and tons to defend. He also slipped just about every question. He didn't answer a single question, but maybe that's a good approach when you're in a situation like he was, where you're forced to defend the indefensible. still don't understand how Kamala got here. Biden picked her as his running mate. The same way Pence got here.
Ok but what value does Kamala as a VP add? What votes is Biden hoping to gain through her? California? Something tells me Cali was blue regardless. Not to mention the Party still doesn't want the Bernie-AOC sect to have any authority or power, which is why Biden is here...and yet they allowed him to pick Kamala? makes no sense at all
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Yeah, she's a solid VP pick but not a great President. I think Trump has exposed something in American, and maybe Canadian, democracy for me. He has to be voted out on the basis of how terrible he is. At the same time, this establishment Democrat party line does not align with me past this election. There needs to be deeper reform to the system, and this doesn't seem like it'll be it.
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On October 08 2020 12:08 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2020 11:54 JimmiC wrote:On October 08 2020 11:49 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 08 2020 11:48 WarSame wrote:
I think Pence excelled in sincerity which Harris really struggles with. He interrupted to his detriment, and overtalked the moderator, but it was relatively reasonable compared to previous non-Trump debates.
I think Pence struggled with the fact that... his platform and President is honestly garbage, and tons to defend. He also slipped just about every question. He didn't answer a single question, but maybe that's a good approach when you're in a situation like he was, where you're forced to defend the indefensible. still don't understand how Kamala got here. Biden picked her as his running mate. The same way Pence got here. Ok but what value does Kamala as a VP add? What votes is Biden hoping to gain through her? California? Something tells me Cali was blue regardless. Not to mention the Party still doesn't want the Bernie-AOC sect to have any authority or power, which is why Biden is here...and yet they allowed him to pick Kamala? makes no sense at all
They also have a strong personal relationship since Beau and AG Harris worked together. I think she can also serve in office as a congressional liaison, which is extremely useful for the President.
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Harris should be dead in the water as the next nominee because Biden's presidency will be mediocre if he's extremely lucky and she's bad at campaigning.
But other than Warren maybe, there's not anyone to challenge her and the establishment support she'll hold. Warren should be pissed as hell at the party and ready to blow it up if they coronate Kamala, but she won't.
The biggest problem with banking on Kamala's identity is that she was one of the worse performers with Black voters.
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Pence tonight:
Here is a question on X.
Well before X, let me spend 45 seconds on Y.
Now as you know, gives random anecdote, for 30 seconds.
With the last 15 seconds let me bring up AOC and the GND and cross talk, something cross talk something cross talk.
So he never really answered one of the main questions. I dont know about you but when you have dodge 90% of the questions asked of you that is not winning a debate. Shows he can lie and spew garage well though. Kamala outside of the supreme court question was at least somewhat on the page of the questions. She should of gone after pence more on his BS but that would of made her seem like the angry black women with the moderator going after her way more then pence.
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On October 08 2020 11:49 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2020 11:48 WarSame wrote:
I think Pence excelled in sincerity which Harris really struggles with. He interrupted to his detriment, and overtalked the moderator, but it was relatively reasonable compared to previous non-Trump debates.
I think Pence struggled with the fact that... his platform and President is honestly garbage, and tons to defend. He also slipped just about every question. He didn't answer a single question, but maybe that's a good approach when you're in a situation like he was, where you're forced to defend the indefensible. still don't understand how Kamala got here.
She was picked from the start wasn't she.
Like years ago I remember hearing that she was going to be one of the top picks for the establishment.
Politics are simple, the people with power get what they want.
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She's definitely a political animal and establishment heavy. Don't expect any revolution out of her. At the same time, that makes her hard to attack, which can be good for a VP.
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I agree though this debate probably does not move the needle which is a disaster for trump. His numbers on in free fall right now and meh debate is not what he needs. A average debate for Kamala is great in all she needed to do was not mess up. Little disappointing as she should of been better but it is what it is.
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My thoughts on what I've seen so far:
1. Pence has an obvious honesty problem, Harris has an even bigger authenticity problem. She comes off as sleazy, which very much negates any of the advantage she would have over Pence.
2. The whole discussion on climate change should've been a really brutal moment for Pence, but Harris completely failed to deliver. A lack of a message, a lack of charisma, and so on. Pence did well on most answers, but that was one that I really could've seen him getting smacked down on - and it didn't work out.
3. The moderator didn't give Harris a single hardball question, whereas Pence got plenty. The presidential debate was more even in that regard.
4. I like how hard the Biden ticket is trying to prove that it's no different than a conservative administration. The whole discussion about how they don't want big environmental regulations, they don't want to get rid of fracking, supporting the Green New Deal or universal healthcare is fake news, they love the police, and so on.
5. Obviously Pence is playing the role of Trump apologist for a lot of these questions. It's a hell of a job, and he's doing it pretty well. He certainly has an honesty problem, but he's not at all unique in that regard.
Harris is a deeply disappointing candidate and today confirms everything that a lot of us have said about her. Pence has done what he's always done: cover for Trump. None of this really provides any confidence that a Biden administration, which is very likely at this point, would be meaningfully different from your standard Republican fare sans Trump circus.
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I like how hard the Biden ticket is trying to prove that it's no different than a conservative administration. The whole discussion about how they don't want big environmental regulations, they don't want to get rid of fracking, supporting the Green New Deal or universal healthcare is fake news, they love the police, and so on.
Yeah the "I'll tell them both and they can believe the one they don't like is the lie for votes" works better with charisma, sincerity, or at least bluster.
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On October 08 2020 11:21 Cricketer12 wrote:
inb4 15 fly memes tomorrow morning...
They're actually insane already... Including "Pence's only black friend" and "Pretty fly for a white guy" lmao
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On October 08 2020 12:33 LegalLord wrote:
My thoughts on what I've seen so far:
1. Pence has an obvious honesty problem, Harris has an even bigger authenticity problem. She comes off as sleazy, which very much negates any of the advantage she would have over Pence.
2. The whole discussion on climate change should've been a really brutal moment for Pence, but Harris completely failed to deliver. A lack of a message, a lack of charisma, and so on. Pence did well on most answers, but that was one that I really could've seen him getting smacked down on - and it didn't work out.
3. The moderator didn't give Harris a single hardball question, whereas Pence got plenty. The presidential debate was more even in that regard.
4. I like how hard the Biden ticket is trying to prove that it's no different than a conservative administration. The whole discussion about how they don't want big environmental regulations, they don't want to get rid of fracking, supporting the Green New Deal or universal healthcare is fake news, they love the police, and so on.
5. Obviously Pence is playing the role of Trump apologist for a lot of these questions. It's a hell of a job, and he's doing it pretty well. He certainly has an honesty problem, but he's not at all unique in that regard.
Harris is a deeply disappointing candidate and today confirms everything that a lot of us have said about her. Pence has done what he's always done: cover for Trump. None of this really provides any confidence that a Biden administration, which is very likely at this point, would be meaningfully different from your standard Republican fare sans Trump circus.
Pretty fair assessment, I agree with this.
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On October 08 2020 12:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2020 11:21 Cricketer12 wrote:
inb4 15 fly memes tomorrow morning... They're actually insane already... Including "Pence's only black friend" and "Pretty fly for a white guy" lmao
God that's great.
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On October 08 2020 12:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2020 11:21 Cricketer12 wrote:
inb4 15 fly memes tomorrow morning... They're actually insane already... Including "Pence's only black friend" and "Pretty fly for a white guy" lmao
Most of the "black friend' stuff is coming down when people realize it's racist.
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On October 08 2020 12:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2020 11:21 Cricketer12 wrote:
inb4 15 fly memes tomorrow morning... They're actually insane already... Including "Pence's only black friend" and "Pretty fly for a white guy" lmao
Biden store already selling "Truth over flies fly swatter". Whoever is in charge of the biden store knows how to throw that shade
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