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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 08 2020 02:39 GMT
#621
If the first hour is anything like the last 20 minutes, then Pence performed better, but not in a way that matters. I continue to see it as a head-scratcher why people hype up Harris as if she's anything other than a gutter-tier candidate, but honestly at this point none of this matters compared to Trump and what people think about him.

Time to go back and watch the first hour and see if it's anything like the end of it.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 08 2020 02:41 GMT
#622
On October 08 2020 11:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Next debate is Thursday, October 15th. Another unpresidential showdown.


IMO there's no chance it happens.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 08 2020 02:42 GMT
#623
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Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
October 08 2020 02:42 GMT
#624
On October 08 2020 11:09 WarSame wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2020 11:08 Cricketer12 wrote:
Not sure why not a single person can have a reasonable view on abortion

It's really hard to walk a line of any nuance in a TV debate. Especially because one misstep will be quoted on TV for days and weeks. It's one of the major things that has led to the decline of American democracy.

In Canada we hardly even care about our TV debate. Maybe it's because there tends to be 5-6 parties competing in the debate, maybe partly because we tend to read up on platforms a lot.


I'm so jealous of this.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
October 08 2020 02:42 GMT
#625
I think the people expecting prosecutor Harris to verbally smackdown Pence were quite disappointed. She had a habit of sticking to some generic stump speech type answers and slipped away on committal answers on certain issues like on packing the Supreme Court. Pence gave a fairly measured defence of Trump and had some good responses, but he also gave a few slippery answers and my biases mean I can't exactly take his Trump apologia seriously. Overall, Pence did fine and Harris was more spotty today.

Next debate is a town hall btw.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 08 2020 02:42 GMT
#626
On October 08 2020 11:42 JimmiC wrote:
Poll: Who won?

Harris (12)
 
41%

Pence (11)
 
38%

Tie (6)
 
21%

29 total votes

Your vote: Who won?

(Vote): Harris
(Vote): Pence
(Vote): Tie





I would say they both did a good job but Pence had a much harder job to do.
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
October 08 2020 02:43 GMT
#627
I felt like Harris did better over the first hour, but the last half hour I felt like Pence did okay. It does annoy me he literally didn't answer any actual question, and never got called out on that by Harris or the moderator. I think this shows the difference between a VP candidate and normal Presidential candidate - have the solid platform, but then adding the disciplined aggression and assertion.

She did have a lot to attack, but honestly that kind of wears away over 1.5 hours because there's just so much to attack.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
October 08 2020 02:43 GMT
#628
On October 08 2020 11:39 LegalLord wrote:
If the first hour is anything like the last 20 minutes, then Pence performed better, but not in a way that matters. I continue to see it as a head-scratcher why people hype up Harris as if she's anything other than a gutter-tier candidate, but honestly at this point none of this matters compared to Trump and what people think about him.

Time to go back and watch the first hour and see if it's anything like the end of it.

Yeah Kamala was a huge mistake on Biden's part...really unfortunate Klob fucked it all up in June
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2836 Posts
October 08 2020 02:44 GMT
#629
On October 08 2020 11:36 Monochromatic wrote:
Pence really hit the finishing question out of the park.

I think Pence was way ahead at the start, then Kamala came back, but Pence just killed it at the end.

Overall I think Pence won hands down.


Iunno, Kamala leaned pretty heavily into reinforcing that she's earned her position and isn't just there because she's there, where Pence felt like he's what Biden is accused of often - an empty shell and a puppet for other forces.

Pence really did nail that last question, though. Ironically, there was an opportunity for either of them to answer the question honestly and sympathetically, and he nailed it. It genuinely felt like he was answering an 8th grader, and not trying to earn her parents' vote.
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-08 02:48:34
October 08 2020 02:48 GMT
#630
I think Pence excelled in sincerity which Harris really struggles with. He interrupted to his detriment, and overtalked the moderator, but it was relatively reasonable compared to previous non-Trump debates.

I think Pence struggled with the fact that... his platform and President is honestly garbage, and tons to defend. He also slipped just about every question. He didn't answer a single question, but maybe that's a good approach when you're in a situation like he was, where you're forced to defend the indefensible.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
October 08 2020 02:49 GMT
#631
On October 08 2020 11:48 WarSame wrote:
I think Pence excelled in sincerity which Harris really struggles with. He interrupted to his detriment, and overtalked the moderator, but it was relatively reasonable compared to previous non-Trump debates.

I think Pence struggled with the fact that... his platform and President is honestly garbage, and tons to defend. He also slipped just about every question. He didn't answer a single question, but maybe that's a good approach when you're in a situation like he was, where you're forced to defend the indefensible.

still don't understand how Kamala got here.
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 08 2020 02:52 GMT
#632
On October 08 2020 11:49 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2020 11:48 WarSame wrote:
I think Pence excelled in sincerity which Harris really struggles with. He interrupted to his detriment, and overtalked the moderator, but it was relatively reasonable compared to previous non-Trump debates.

I think Pence struggled with the fact that... his platform and President is honestly garbage, and tons to defend. He also slipped just about every question. He didn't answer a single question, but maybe that's a good approach when you're in a situation like he was, where you're forced to defend the indefensible.

still don't understand how Kamala got here.

The Democratic party likes her for some reason, and by putting her on the VP ticket they have the best option they're ever going to get to force her through by bundling her in with the "must stop Trump" option.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 08 2020 02:53 GMT
#633
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Monochromatic
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1000 Posts
October 08 2020 02:54 GMT
#634
On October 08 2020 11:49 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2020 11:48 WarSame wrote:
I think Pence excelled in sincerity which Harris really struggles with. He interrupted to his detriment, and overtalked the moderator, but it was relatively reasonable compared to previous non-Trump debates.

I think Pence struggled with the fact that... his platform and President is honestly garbage, and tons to defend. He also slipped just about every question. He didn't answer a single question, but maybe that's a good approach when you're in a situation like he was, where you're forced to defend the indefensible.

still don't understand how Kamala got here.


I know it's a bit controversial, but I think it's pretty clear that it's due to the color of her skin among the backdrop of the racial tension.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 08 2020 02:54 GMT
#635
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
October 08 2020 02:55 GMT
#636
Pence is the leader of the corona taskforce. He shouldn't be able to leave this debate without getting ravaged for his and Trumps failure. Harris failed in that regard.
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-08 02:56:42
October 08 2020 02:56 GMT
#637
On October 08 2020 11:49 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2020 11:48 WarSame wrote:
I think Pence excelled in sincerity which Harris really struggles with. He interrupted to his detriment, and overtalked the moderator, but it was relatively reasonable compared to previous non-Trump debates.

I think Pence struggled with the fact that... his platform and President is honestly garbage, and tons to defend. He also slipped just about every question. He didn't answer a single question, but maybe that's a good approach when you're in a situation like he was, where you're forced to defend the indefensible.

still don't understand how Kamala got here.


Kamala is the next in line for the Presidency after Bidens term(s) are over, imo
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24385 Posts
October 08 2020 02:56 GMT
#638
On October 08 2020 11:49 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2020 11:48 WarSame wrote:
I think Pence excelled in sincerity which Harris really struggles with. He interrupted to his detriment, and overtalked the moderator, but it was relatively reasonable compared to previous non-Trump debates.

I think Pence struggled with the fact that... his platform and President is honestly garbage, and tons to defend. He also slipped just about every question. He didn't answer a single question, but maybe that's a good approach when you're in a situation like he was, where you're forced to defend the indefensible.

still don't understand how Kamala got here.

She was the Hillary aligned party establishment favorite and dropped out before she got crushed in her home state primary (which would have made sure she wasn't a VP possibility).
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
October 08 2020 02:57 GMT
#639
Historically, VP has been about securing the region as a favoured son, matching desired demographics and performing well in the VP debate.

KH doesn't really lock down much of an area, since California is deep blue.

She does really match desired demographics, especially after this summer, as a black/Indian woman.

She performed alright in the debate, which was enough for her. I'm a little disappointed, but not too much. I doubt the needle moves at all, which is fine for Democrats I think.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-08 02:58:45
October 08 2020 02:58 GMT
#640
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