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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria843 Posts
On March 24 2020 07:36 Jockmcplop wrote: How is anyone going to know how many times i've been out of my house? Police officers could see you outside and then you'd better have a good reason. Otherwise, you could be fined. | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On March 24 2020 08:23 Mohdoo wrote: Starting to wonder if I am well served by making another Costco (food etc) run so that I can substantially delay how long from now my next one would be. My impression is that going out into the world ~2 weeks from now will be significantly more sketchy than today. Thoughts? nah don’t do that. it’ll be fine | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On March 24 2020 08:23 Mohdoo wrote: Starting to wonder if I am well served by making another Costco (food etc) run so that I can substantially delay how long from now my next one would be. My impression is that going out into the world ~2 weeks from now will be significantly more sketchy than today. Thoughts? Any stores/city webcams you can view? The other option is to check google's current crowding meter when you search the location on maps. It doesn't guarantee stock levels, but tells you if you're running into a zoo or not. As long as you avoid the zoo, you should be able to pick up some items which are useful. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On March 24 2020 08:23 Mohdoo wrote: Starting to wonder if I am well served by making another Costco (food etc) run so that I can substantially delay how long from now my next one would be. My impression is that going out into the world ~2 weeks from now will be significantly more sketchy than today. Thoughts? It'll probably be fine, there will be a bit more people at food bank and a bit less at the grocery store, but the world ain't falling apart it the next two week. Well at least I don't think so. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 24 2020 08:59 Nakajin wrote: It'll probably be fine, there will be a bit more people at food bank and a bit less at the grocery store, but the world ain't falling apart it the next two week. Well at least I don't think so. From where I'm standing, the US will be at minimum as bad as Italy in 2 weeks. Infection models are quite robust. There's very little uncertainty. Am I missing something? Also, am I able to go to Canada if shit gets wild here? I'm a citizen. That means I'm always <3 right? | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On March 24 2020 09:01 Mohdoo wrote: From where I'm standing, the US will be at minimum as bad as Italy in 2 weeks. Infection models are quite robust. There's very little uncertainty. Am I missing something? Also, am I able to go to Canada if shit gets wild here? I'm a citizen. That means I'm always <3 right? Yes! You can still enter the country when you want, but you need at 14 day isolation period afterward. Depend what you mean by sketchy, I thought you meant like around criminality and all that in witch case I don't think so, but ya your right there will probably be a bigger contamination of the virus + maybe some tighter control measure, but no one should stop you from going to the grocery. With that said I can't see the future more then you. If you can order delivery it's always a good alternative. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On March 24 2020 08:23 Mohdoo wrote: Starting to wonder if I am well served by making another Costco (food etc) run so that I can substantially delay how long from now my next one would be. My impression is that going out into the world ~2 weeks from now will be significantly more sketchy than today. Thoughts? Maybe not useful information as you're on the complete different side of the country, but Costco around my house has a person max in store so potentially a long line to get in currently. Supply lines are still alright so if people stop hoarding we'll be able to buy food in two weeks. Last time I went (Saturday) they were completely out of chicken, bleach, and toilet paper still so planning on checking again sometime this week. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26764 Posts
Those are the guidelines for two parent households so no hard feelings on my part but having more time together was my silver lining of this whole thing, had plans for homeschooling and some code club projects ready to go  Hope you’re all coping ok with various differing lockdown levels, think I’m on about plan E now as to how to spend the foreseeable future god sake :p | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On March 24 2020 09:36 Wombat_NI wrote: Sigh don’t get to see kiddo indefinitely, not out of malice from his mum or anything but I’m still working and if I’m at the chilled out end of the scale with this crisis she’s very much at the other. Those are the guidelines for two parent households so no hard feelings on my part but having more time together was my silver lining of this whole thing, had plans for homeschooling and some code club projects ready to go Hope you’re all coping ok with various differing lockdown levels, think I’m on about plan E now as to how to spend the foreseeable future god sake :p Oh wow that suck hard Hopefully you can at least have frequent video chat with her/him and an arrangement can be made with the mom, it feel like a reasonable risk to take considering the plus side honestly, but I can see why it's hard on both side. Stay strong. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On March 24 2020 02:13 Mohdoo wrote: So someone correct me if I am wrong. 1. Stay at home orders are intended to reduce infection rates 2. Less infection means less economic impact overall 3. Delaying stay at home orders for the sake of the economy does not help the economy, since it increases total infection rates 4. Choosing to delay stay at home orders actually hurts the economy by waiting, since infection rates eventually hit a point where stay at home orders will eventually be made anyway. 5. In the United States, we can say with confidence that stay at home orders will eventually become necessary, so we ought to just bite the bullet and do it immediately. Where am I wrong? I liken the virus to a bushfire. The earlier you deal with it, the easier it is to manage and the lesser damage it does. Do nothing and it becomes a raging inferno that your firefighters will struggle to control. I think it's important to realise that a raging inferno is not good at all, and that economy cannot thrive with it around. You just can't do business in this environment. Fighting the bushfire will hurt, but like it or not you will suffer either way. At least as China has shown, a recovery is possible as businesses start to reopen after the lock down. Short term suffering for recovery in long term VS prolonged suffering with no end in sight. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On March 24 2020 09:35 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Maybe not useful information as you're on the complete different side of the country, but Costco around my house has a person max in store so potentially a long line to get in currently. Supply lines are still alright so if people stop hoarding we'll be able to buy food in two weeks. Last time I went (Saturday) they were completely out of chicken, bleach, and toilet paper still so planning on checking again sometime this week. Yeah. There's even the chance stocking is actually more organized and safer in two weeks as the supply lines react and stores make moves to coordinate restocking better. It also increases the chance of real limits per customer on specific items and even limiting the number of people in aisles and senior only shopping times (which have already been implemented here and there by major retailers). It may take longer, but in two weeks you might actually have a safer time shopping. | ||
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TT1
Canada10035 Posts
On March 24 2020 11:12 DucK- wrote: I liken the virus to a bushfire. The earlier you deal with it, the easier it is to manage and the lesser damage it does. Do nothing and it becomes a raging inferno that your firefighters will struggle to control. I think it's important to realise that a raging inferno is not good at all, and that economy cannot thrive with it around. You just can't do business in this environment. Fighting the bushfire will hurt, but like it or not you will suffer either way. At least as China has shown, a recovery is possible as businesses start to reopen after the lock down. Short term suffering for recovery in long term VS prolonged suffering with no end in sight. Yea, basically the goal is to avoid exponential growth. On average 1 person w/ corona infects ~3 people, which is very high. In 1-2 months i expect a lot of places to return to some type of "normalcy" (i'm sure it'll be gradual and closely monitored). Governments are just trying to buy time until a vaccine is out/put less strain on medical care. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On March 24 2020 06:46 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: First of all, the sentence "xyz is difficult to explain" to me is a very bad sentence to use in a scientific paper. Either they CAN explain it, in which case they shouldn't have to point out that it is difficult, or they cannot explain it, in which case they should simply admit that. Second of all, not once in that article did they point out the lack of personell and/or equipment to properly treat patients as a possible reason for that high mortality rate. Not impressed tbh. I can see where you're coming from, in that it looks like spin, but there are reasons these phrases are common in the literature. Partly, yes, it's a spin factor, but the more straight-talking "I can't do this" is also relative to me alone, and useless without a discussion of my ability alongside. "This is difficult", while not fully objective, is at least relative to human endeavour as a whole. In my experience, statements like this often mean "we couldn't solve this before we ran out of time/money and had to publish, but if someone gave us more funding we could chase it down". That's not unreasonable, to me. Not a comment on that specific study, just the wording in general. | ||
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Howie_Dewitt
United States1416 Posts
![[image loading]](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545432246392324107/691713180715712553/IMG_20200323_131313.jpg) The dining hall made the transition to disposable to-go plates and such very well, everything's compostable and such, good on them, but it also means no more soup Also, front what I can tell, rural America is largely ignoring the shelter in place orders and gathering restrictions. Police aren't monitoring roads as much (they've been told to stop going after victimless crimes), and many students from rural areas are scared for the safety of their towns once covid makes its way in. Y'all talking about the infection models reminds me of those people and how bad the USA is going to get hit by this. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26764 Posts
On March 24 2020 09:48 Nakajin wrote: Oh wow that suck hard Hopefully you can at least have frequent video chat with her/him and an arrangement can be made with the mom, it feel like a reasonable risk to take considering the plus side honestly, but I can see why it's hard on both side. Stay strong. Thanks man, Aye well last week we were set to go a 50/50 split in minding/homeschooling to deal with school closures so it’s purely down to the situation as it stands so I can’t see some accommodation being an issue as soon as things are a bit less severe in terms of lockdown. Trying not to get too pissy at life, i was reasonably happy with the hand corona dealt me in terms of unlimited overtime on a whenever I fancy coming in and leaving basis, plus more kiddo time than usual, the former is still the case at least. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7188 Posts
Anyway, there is an interview with a German doctor (who also wrote a book H5N1, SARS and others) saying many (almost half!) of the tests are false positives. So far so good. Then he goes on about how treating Covid is wrong in almost all cases. People just need to rest 2 weeks and will most likely surive. His ground for this statement is a wrong treatment of a 50 yr old male who got stuffed with pretty much every pill there is until his immun system gave up and he died. He also thinks this may be the case in Italy and why their mortality rate is so much higher than everywhere else. I'm looking for more sources Right now I can only give you this German YT EDIT: This is not supposed so be some conspiracy , tin foil hat thingy. Just wanted to share this | ||
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