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On March 24 2020 15:41 Harris1st wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Haven't been following this thread closely these last few days, so I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. Anyway, there is an interview with a German doctor (who also wrote a book H5N1, SARS and others) saying many (almost half!) of the tests are false positives. So far so good. Then he goes on about how treating Covid is wrong in almost all cases. People just need to rest 2 weeks and will most likely surive. His ground for this statement is a wrong treatment of a 50 yr old male who got stuffed with pretty much every pill there is until his immun system gave up and he died. He also thinks this may be the case in Italy and why their mortality rate is so much higher than everywhere else. I'm looking for more sources Right now I can only give you this German YT EDIT: This is not supposed so be some conspiracy , tin foil hat thingy. Just wanted to share this
Who is more credible? The Robert-Koch-Institute or Russia Today? I don't trust the latter one bit.
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On March 24 2020 15:41 Harris1st wrote:Haven't been following this thread closely these last few days, so I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. Anyway, there is an interview with a German doctor (who also wrote a book H5N1, SARS and others) saying many (almost half!) of the tests are false positives. So far so good. Then he goes on about how treating Covid is wrong in almost all cases. People just need to rest 2 weeks and will most likely surive. His ground for this statement is a wrong treatment of a 50 yr old male who got stuffed with pretty much every pill there is until his immun system gave up and he died. He also thinks this may be the case in Italy and why their mortality rate is so much higher than everywhere else. I'm looking for more sources Right now I can only give you this German YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzTr_RjtgUkEDIT: This is not supposed so be some conspiracy , tin foil hat thingy. Just wanted to share this
Just know that this is RT Deutsch
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On March 24 2020 15:41 Harris1st wrote:Haven't been following this thread closely these last few days, so I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. Anyway, there is an interview with a German doctor (who also wrote a book H5N1, SARS and others) saying many (almost half!) of the tests are false positives. So far so good. Then he goes on about how treating Covid is wrong in almost all cases. People just need to rest 2 weeks and will most likely surive. His ground for this statement is a wrong treatment of a 50 yr old male who got stuffed with pretty much every pill there is until his immun system gave up and he died. He also thinks this may be the case in Italy and why their mortality rate is so much higher than everywhere else. I'm looking for more sources Right now I can only give you this German YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzTr_RjtgUkEDIT: This is not supposed so be some conspiracy , tin foil hat thingy. Just wanted to share this
Not a very reliable source, but if the best treatment was"sit at home and rest" the mortality rate wouldn't be between 1-4%.
For a lot of patients I have no doubt that sicking it out at home *is* the best treatment. That's the 80%. The problem is the 20% who develop pneumonia and other severe symptoms.
I also have no doubt that with the stress on medical institutions right now, mistakes are being made and some people *are* receiving the wrong treatment. That doesn't mean the right treatment for pneumonia is to sit at home and pray.
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On March 24 2020 15:41 Harris1st wrote:Haven't been following this thread closely these last few days, so I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. Anyway, there is an interview with a German doctor (who also wrote a book H5N1, SARS and others) saying many (almost half!) of the tests are false positives. So far so good. Then he goes on about how treating Covid is wrong in almost all cases. People just need to rest 2 weeks and will most likely surive. His ground for this statement is a wrong treatment of a 50 yr old male who got stuffed with pretty much every pill there is until his immun system gave up and he died. He also thinks this may be the case in Italy and why their mortality rate is so much higher than everywhere else. I'm looking for more sources Right now I can only give you this German YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzTr_RjtgUkEDIT: This is not supposed so be some conspiracy , tin foil hat thingy. Just wanted to share this
Unfortunately, your information is incorrect. You can read what the inventor himself says here: https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/coronaskript132.pdf - I quote:
„Und nicht ein einziges Mal hat es da eine falsch positive Reaktion gegeben. Also dieser Test reagiert gegen kein anderes Coronavirus des Menschen und gegen kein anderes Erkältungsvirus des Menschen. Es stimmt, aber das ist natürlich eine vollkommen irreführende Information, rein theoretisch würde dieser Test gegen das alte SARS-Coronavirus reagieren. Das gibt es aber seit 16 Jahren nicht mehr beim Menschen. Und rein theoretisch würde dieser Test auch gegen eine ganze Reihe von Fledermaus-Coronaviren reagieren, aber die gibt es auch nicht beim Menschen. […] Aber das hat mit der medizinischen Diagnostik und der Wertigkeit der Daten für die Epidemiologie überhaupt keine Bewandtnis. Wir testen mit diesem Test nur das neue Coronavirus beim Menschen. Wenn wir eine Patientenprobe testen und Date ist positiv, dann ist es dieses neue Coronavirus und auf gar keinen Fall eins der bekannten anderen Coronaviren.“
In english it translate to: „And there has never been a false positive reaction. So this test does not react to any other human coronavirus or any other cold virus. It is true, but of course this is completely misleading information, in theory this test would react against the old SARS corona virus. But this has not happened in humans for 16 years. And theoretically, this test would also react to a whole range of bat corona viruses, but they don't exist in humans either. […] But this has absolutely no connection with medical diagnostics and the value of the data for epidemiology. We only use this test to test the new human corona virus. If we test a patient sample and Date is positive, it's this new coronavirus and definitely not one of the other known coronaviruses.”
We should trust the inventor, who is a specialist in virology and especially the coronavirus more then some random doctor and some “alternative media.
+ "For a lot of patients I have no doubt that sicking it out at home *is* the best treatment. That's the 80%. The problem is the 20% who develop pneumonia and other severe symptoms." And that's what has been done.
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On March 24 2020 17:02 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2020 15:41 Harris1st wrote:Haven't been following this thread closely these last few days, so I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. Anyway, there is an interview with a German doctor (who also wrote a book H5N1, SARS and others) saying many (almost half!) of the tests are false positives. So far so good. Then he goes on about how treating Covid is wrong in almost all cases. People just need to rest 2 weeks and will most likely surive. His ground for this statement is a wrong treatment of a 50 yr old male who got stuffed with pretty much every pill there is until his immun system gave up and he died. He also thinks this may be the case in Italy and why their mortality rate is so much higher than everywhere else. I'm looking for more sources Right now I can only give you this German YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzTr_RjtgUkEDIT: This is not supposed so be some conspiracy , tin foil hat thingy. Just wanted to share this Not a very reliable source, but if the best treatment was"sit at home and rest" the mortality rate wouldn't be between 1-4%. For a lot of patients I have no doubt that sicking it out at home *is* the best treatment. That's the 80%. The problem is the 20% who develop pneumonia and other severe symptoms. I also have no doubt that with the stress on medical institutions right now, mistakes are being made and some people *are* receiving the wrong treatment. That doesn't mean the right treatment for pneumonia is to sit at home and pray.
I'm not saying I agree with everything he says. Just wanted to share this so people can make up their own minds. And it's always useful to have more than one perspectives 
The RKI says mortality cases have an average age of 82. That's pretty good news I think.
Seems like Germany will not become Italy 2.0
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I'm in an online meeting related to work at the moment and speaker coughs once in a while. I've never been so glad it could be online rather than face-to-face.
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On March 24 2020 17:57 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2020 17:02 Acrofales wrote:On March 24 2020 15:41 Harris1st wrote:Haven't been following this thread closely these last few days, so I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. Anyway, there is an interview with a German doctor (who also wrote a book H5N1, SARS and others) saying many (almost half!) of the tests are false positives. So far so good. Then he goes on about how treating Covid is wrong in almost all cases. People just need to rest 2 weeks and will most likely surive. His ground for this statement is a wrong treatment of a 50 yr old male who got stuffed with pretty much every pill there is until his immun system gave up and he died. He also thinks this may be the case in Italy and why their mortality rate is so much higher than everywhere else. I'm looking for more sources Right now I can only give you this German YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzTr_RjtgUkEDIT: This is not supposed so be some conspiracy , tin foil hat thingy. Just wanted to share this Not a very reliable source, but if the best treatment was"sit at home and rest" the mortality rate wouldn't be between 1-4%. For a lot of patients I have no doubt that sicking it out at home *is* the best treatment. That's the 80%. The problem is the 20% who develop pneumonia and other severe symptoms. I also have no doubt that with the stress on medical institutions right now, mistakes are being made and some people *are* receiving the wrong treatment. That doesn't mean the right treatment for pneumonia is to sit at home and pray. I'm not saying I agree with everything he says. Just wanted to share this so people can make up their own minds. And it's always useful to have more than one perspectives The RKI says mortality cases have an average age of 82. That's pretty good news I think. Seems like Germany will not become Italy 2.0
That depends largely on how many active and severe cases Germany will get, Italy and Spain are both overwhelmed with too many cases for them to handle. Germany isn't quite there yet, but if the cases multiple by say 2 or 3 without a sizeable amount of recovered people, you will see more and more people die, not only the very old ones. I'd say Germany has at least 1-2 weeks of sizeable amount of new cases ahead, and beyond that it depends on if the population took the virus serious or not after what the politicians and media told them recently.
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On March 24 2020 15:41 Harris1st wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Haven't been following this thread closely these last few days, so I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. Anyway, there is an interview with a German doctor (who also wrote a book H5N1, SARS and others) saying many (almost half!) of the tests are false positives. So far so good. Then he goes on about how treating Covid is wrong in almost all cases. People just need to rest 2 weeks and will most likely surive. His ground for this statement is a wrong treatment of a 50 yr old male who got stuffed with pretty much every pill there is until his immun system gave up and he died. He also thinks this may be the case in Italy and why their mortality rate is so much higher than everywhere else. I'm looking for more sources Right now I can only give you this German YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzTr_RjtgUkEDIT: This is not supposed so be some conspiracy , tin foil hat thingy. Just wanted to share this
It is quite sad to see how easily all kinds of buffoons can spread their mental diarrhea over the internet. In 3 days, 650k people just became a tiny bit dumber by watching this video…
I could write an entire essay evaluating manipulation technics just based on that 24 minute clip. My conclusion would probably be that the doc can learn quite a bit from his hosts. His statements are too jumpy and do not manage to establish even a superficially logical train of thought. One needs to already be predisposed to buying the bullshit he is selling to believe him. The show itself is on a whole different level. It is a non-stop chain of subtle pricks and prods at the viewers’ world views. It does not go overboard with loaded statements, but gradually nudges the viewer in certain directions to subliminally instill particular ideas.
I still have to admit that I lost it at a certain point, when the show host asked “Is the media critical enough in times of crisis?”. Very rich coming from RT’s propaganda department.
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On March 24 2020 18:35 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2020 15:41 Harris1st wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Haven't been following this thread closely these last few days, so I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. Anyway, there is an interview with a German doctor (who also wrote a book H5N1, SARS and others) saying many (almost half!) of the tests are false positives. So far so good. Then he goes on about how treating Covid is wrong in almost all cases. People just need to rest 2 weeks and will most likely surive. His ground for this statement is a wrong treatment of a 50 yr old male who got stuffed with pretty much every pill there is until his immun system gave up and he died. He also thinks this may be the case in Italy and why their mortality rate is so much higher than everywhere else. I'm looking for more sources Right now I can only give you this German YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzTr_RjtgUkEDIT: This is not supposed so be some conspiracy , tin foil hat thingy. Just wanted to share this It is quite sad to see how easily all kinds of buffoons can spread their mental diarrhea over the internet. In 3 days, 650k people just became a tiny bit dumber by watching this video… I could write an entire essay evaluating manipulation technics just based on that 24 minute clip. My conclusion would probably be that the doc can learn quite a bit from his hosts. His statements are too jumpy and do not manage to establish even a superficially logical train of thought. One needs to already be predisposed to buying the bullshit he is selling to believe him. The show itself is on a whole different level. It is a non-stop chain of subtle pricks and prods at the viewers’ world views. It does not go overboard with loaded statements, but gradually nudges the viewer in certain directions to subliminally instill particular ideas. I still have to admit that I lost it at a certain point, when the show host asked “Is the media critical enough in times of crisis?”. Very rich coming from RT’s propaganda department.
Considering no one talks about the state of the healthcare system drained by liberal policies, I don't think the real propaganda came from rt.
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Wuhan's lockdown will be lifted on 8 April. It was imposed on 23 January which is quite a long time.
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On March 24 2020 19:28 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2020 18:35 ggrrg wrote:On March 24 2020 15:41 Harris1st wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Haven't been following this thread closely these last few days, so I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. Anyway, there is an interview with a German doctor (who also wrote a book H5N1, SARS and others) saying many (almost half!) of the tests are false positives. So far so good. Then he goes on about how treating Covid is wrong in almost all cases. People just need to rest 2 weeks and will most likely surive. His ground for this statement is a wrong treatment of a 50 yr old male who got stuffed with pretty much every pill there is until his immun system gave up and he died. He also thinks this may be the case in Italy and why their mortality rate is so much higher than everywhere else. I'm looking for more sources Right now I can only give you this German YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzTr_RjtgUkEDIT: This is not supposed so be some conspiracy , tin foil hat thingy. Just wanted to share this It is quite sad to see how easily all kinds of buffoons can spread their mental diarrhea over the internet. In 3 days, 650k people just became a tiny bit dumber by watching this video… I could write an entire essay evaluating manipulation technics just based on that 24 minute clip. My conclusion would probably be that the doc can learn quite a bit from his hosts. His statements are too jumpy and do not manage to establish even a superficially logical train of thought. One needs to already be predisposed to buying the bullshit he is selling to believe him. The show itself is on a whole different level. It is a non-stop chain of subtle pricks and prods at the viewers’ world views. It does not go overboard with loaded statements, but gradually nudges the viewer in certain directions to subliminally instill particular ideas. I still have to admit that I lost it at a certain point, when the show host asked “Is the media critical enough in times of crisis?”. Very rich coming from RT’s propaganda department. Considering no one talks about the state of the healthcare system drained by liberal policies, I don't think the real propaganda came from rt.
I must have missed something in the video because I do not see a reason why you would quote me and bring up country A, doing action B on issue C, when I am commenting about about issue X and how organization Y, is behaving in manner Z.
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On March 24 2020 18:35 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2020 15:41 Harris1st wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Haven't been following this thread closely these last few days, so I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. Anyway, there is an interview with a German doctor (who also wrote a book H5N1, SARS and others) saying many (almost half!) of the tests are false positives. So far so good. Then he goes on about how treating Covid is wrong in almost all cases. People just need to rest 2 weeks and will most likely surive. His ground for this statement is a wrong treatment of a 50 yr old male who got stuffed with pretty much every pill there is until his immun system gave up and he died. He also thinks this may be the case in Italy and why their mortality rate is so much higher than everywhere else. I'm looking for more sources Right now I can only give you this German YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzTr_RjtgUkEDIT: This is not supposed so be some conspiracy , tin foil hat thingy. Just wanted to share this It is quite sad to see how easily all kinds of buffoons can spread their mental diarrhea over the internet. In 3 days, 650k people just became a tiny bit dumber by watching this video… I could write an entire essay evaluating manipulation technics just based on that 24 minute clip. My conclusion would probably be that the doc can learn quite a bit from his hosts. His statements are too jumpy and do not manage to establish even a superficially logical train of thought. One needs to already be predisposed to buying the bullshit he is selling to believe him. The show itself is on a whole different level. It is a non-stop chain of subtle pricks and prods at the viewers’ world views. It does not go overboard with loaded statements, but gradually nudges the viewer in certain directions to subliminally instill particular ideas. I still have to admit that I lost it at a certain point, when the show host asked “Is the media critical enough in times of crisis?”. Very rich coming from RT’s propaganda department.
Im glad someone is seeing clearly here. Beside that, its just characteristically how i directly prove with facts that a statement is wrong just to see that no one cares and the same person tells us that its always good to hear different points of view. NO ITS NOT. Facts dont lie. We should always seperate facts with fiction.
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On March 24 2020 20:03 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2020 19:28 stilt wrote:On March 24 2020 18:35 ggrrg wrote:On March 24 2020 15:41 Harris1st wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Haven't been following this thread closely these last few days, so I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. Anyway, there is an interview with a German doctor (who also wrote a book H5N1, SARS and others) saying many (almost half!) of the tests are false positives. So far so good. Then he goes on about how treating Covid is wrong in almost all cases. People just need to rest 2 weeks and will most likely surive. His ground for this statement is a wrong treatment of a 50 yr old male who got stuffed with pretty much every pill there is until his immun system gave up and he died. He also thinks this may be the case in Italy and why their mortality rate is so much higher than everywhere else. I'm looking for more sources Right now I can only give you this German YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzTr_RjtgUkEDIT: This is not supposed so be some conspiracy , tin foil hat thingy. Just wanted to share this It is quite sad to see how easily all kinds of buffoons can spread their mental diarrhea over the internet. In 3 days, 650k people just became a tiny bit dumber by watching this video… I could write an entire essay evaluating manipulation technics just based on that 24 minute clip. My conclusion would probably be that the doc can learn quite a bit from his hosts. His statements are too jumpy and do not manage to establish even a superficially logical train of thought. One needs to already be predisposed to buying the bullshit he is selling to believe him. The show itself is on a whole different level. It is a non-stop chain of subtle pricks and prods at the viewers’ world views. It does not go overboard with loaded statements, but gradually nudges the viewer in certain directions to subliminally instill particular ideas. I still have to admit that I lost it at a certain point, when the show host asked “Is the media critical enough in times of crisis?”. Very rich coming from RT’s propaganda department. Considering no one talks about the state of the healthcare system drained by liberal policies, I don't think the real propaganda came from rt. I must have missed something in the video because I do not see a reason why you would quote me and bring up country A, doing action B on issue C, when I am commenting about about issue X and how organization Y, is behaving in manner Z.
You probably missed the fact RT doesn't have the same influence of our mainstream medias possessed by the same people who drained the healthcare system.
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On March 24 2020 21:03 DarkGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2020 18:35 ggrrg wrote:On March 24 2020 15:41 Harris1st wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Haven't been following this thread closely these last few days, so I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. Anyway, there is an interview with a German doctor (who also wrote a book H5N1, SARS and others) saying many (almost half!) of the tests are false positives. So far so good. Then he goes on about how treating Covid is wrong in almost all cases. People just need to rest 2 weeks and will most likely surive. His ground for this statement is a wrong treatment of a 50 yr old male who got stuffed with pretty much every pill there is until his immun system gave up and he died. He also thinks this may be the case in Italy and why their mortality rate is so much higher than everywhere else. I'm looking for more sources Right now I can only give you this German YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzTr_RjtgUkEDIT: This is not supposed so be some conspiracy , tin foil hat thingy. Just wanted to share this It is quite sad to see how easily all kinds of buffoons can spread their mental diarrhea over the internet. In 3 days, 650k people just became a tiny bit dumber by watching this video… I could write an entire essay evaluating manipulation technics just based on that 24 minute clip. My conclusion would probably be that the doc can learn quite a bit from his hosts. His statements are too jumpy and do not manage to establish even a superficially logical train of thought. One needs to already be predisposed to buying the bullshit he is selling to believe him. The show itself is on a whole different level. It is a non-stop chain of subtle pricks and prods at the viewers’ world views. It does not go overboard with loaded statements, but gradually nudges the viewer in certain directions to subliminally instill particular ideas. I still have to admit that I lost it at a certain point, when the show host asked “Is the media critical enough in times of crisis?”. Very rich coming from RT’s propaganda department. Im glad someone is seeing clearly here. Beside that, its just characteristically how i directly prove with facts that a statement is wrong just to see that no one cares and the same person tells us that its always good to hear different points of view. NO ITS NOT. Facts dont lie. We should always seperate facts with fiction.
Excuse me? That's a really high horse you are sitting on mate.
There can be multiple reasons for false positives, just human error alone.
Anyway, I posted the video more because of case he is discussing and I really don't wanna defend his opinion of what this doctor thinks about the testing. A few pages back people were wondering what the difference between Italy and other countries is and the "treatment" might be one of them. I don't know and I don't pretend to know
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On March 24 2020 17:57 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2020 17:02 Acrofales wrote:On March 24 2020 15:41 Harris1st wrote:Haven't been following this thread closely these last few days, so I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. Anyway, there is an interview with a German doctor (who also wrote a book H5N1, SARS and others) saying many (almost half!) of the tests are false positives. So far so good. Then he goes on about how treating Covid is wrong in almost all cases. People just need to rest 2 weeks and will most likely surive. His ground for this statement is a wrong treatment of a 50 yr old male who got stuffed with pretty much every pill there is until his immun system gave up and he died. He also thinks this may be the case in Italy and why their mortality rate is so much higher than everywhere else. I'm looking for more sources Right now I can only give you this German YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzTr_RjtgUkEDIT: This is not supposed so be some conspiracy , tin foil hat thingy. Just wanted to share this Not a very reliable source, but if the best treatment was"sit at home and rest" the mortality rate wouldn't be between 1-4%. For a lot of patients I have no doubt that sicking it out at home *is* the best treatment. That's the 80%. The problem is the 20% who develop pneumonia and other severe symptoms. I also have no doubt that with the stress on medical institutions right now, mistakes are being made and some people *are* receiving the wrong treatment. That doesn't mean the right treatment for pneumonia is to sit at home and pray. I'm not saying I agree with everything he says. Just wanted to share this so people can make up their own minds. And it's always useful to have more than one perspectives The RKI says mortality cases have an average age of 82. That's pretty good news I think. Seems like Germany will not become Italy 2.0
Sees doctor quoting The Lancet on the case of a 50y-old who got stuffed with experimental treatments with no regard to interactions and died and says "not a very reliable source". Wtf man.
I watched it and he has been very reasonable with his assessments, also mentioning that you shouldn't believe every horror story getting posted out there. Stick to medical journals.
Still around 6% Case fatality ratio untreated vs. 0.7-0.9% treated according to sciencedirect sources, which is very close to the flu. Around 11% CFR in Italy tho wow, might say more about the quality of healthcare there when comparing it to Germany.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/burden.htm.
And sometimes a bad treatment is worse than the disease.
If I'm not mistaken the most accurate viral tests are based on antibody detection, not PCR (which gets distorted by the tiniest contaminations).
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