Coronavirus and You - Page 626

People are fallible, objective reality is not. You should never trust any source, you should always check multiple independent sources.

From the CDC:

Cases of myocarditis reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)external icon have occurred:
After (not because of) mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), especially in male adolescents and young adults,
More often after the second dose
Usually within several days after vaccination
Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis who received care responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly.
Patients can usually return to their normal daily activities after their symptoms improve. Those who have been diagnosed with myocarditis should consult with their cardiologist (heart doctor) about return to exercise or sports. More information will be shared as it becomes available.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html

There is clearly no risk from Pfizer.

then naturally the discussion that comes after it is how much risk do people consider to be acceptable, and whether such risk should be managed at a personal or societal level, or both.
this discussion doesnt have a clear answer and is likely to be influenced by your inherent political biases. for example people on the left will likely argue towards there being a higher social responsibility, mandates being a clear example of that. people on the right are more likely to argue towards higher personal responsibility, hence the arguments that people should make efforts to mitigate their own risk and let others choose to manage their risk individually.

you can throw tantrums all you like about how one viewpoint is clearly correct and the other is wrong, but its a fruitless argument. the reality of most of the heated discussions here is at its simplest form, a left vs right discussion, and you will never come to a consensus. like rkc previously pointed out, its not just a matter of fact finding and science. people have different values and were brought up in different cultures. people will have different ideas of what they consider to be an acceptable level of risk and therefore the question of how society deals with this risk will throw up many different answers.

with a topic like covid, politicised discussions in unavoidable. in fact the discussion about what should be done is highly relevant and important, however this thread has fallen into the trap that the pol threads always fall into. the higher number of left leaning users in the site slowly but surely starting to pummel the user on the opposite end, regardless of whether that perspective is valid or correct. people are allowed to be wrong, even on the left. but on tl i dont think we would ever know if people on the left were in the wrong.
and for what its worth, i certainly dont identify as a right wing user and although i dont engage in much discussion, i didnt typically agree with many of the hard right users on various topics (eg gun control) in the past. i still think its a pity that they couldnt deal with the majority and either left of their own accord or got banned for their views on a site that is actually supposed to be a gaming community, not a left wing echo chamber.