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r00ty
Germany1057 Posts
We're all fully vaccinated and boostered, only my booster is due in 2 weeks. No one got infected so far, last tests yesterday evening. The kid was down with fever for 36 hours then it was just over and she was fine again. I'm pretty relieved at the moment, unfortunately i don't know which variant it was. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On January 20 2022 13:07 Lmui wrote: The only way Omicron is "mild" is compared to Delta or as a vaccinated individual. For an unvaccinated person, severity seems to be at best, similar to the original strain, which as people recall, we shut the entire world down over. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variants_of_SARS-CoV-2#Overview Some areas of the USA in particular are ready to just let it rip though, so we'll see in a month or two what the result of that will turn out to be. On another note, it hasn't really been in the news much from what I've seen, but about 1/4 of staff from my India based coworkers are currently actively infected with covid. Might be a fluke, and I don't know if they had a party/gathering, but it's quietly running through the rest of the world too. Right, it's mild compared to Delta (The strain we were just dealing with) and to vaccinated individuals where the most at risk (65+) have been 90%+ vaccinated in the countries that most of the posters here belong to. I don't know if anyone knows yet how the severity compares to the original strain but I don't see the relevance of making that comparison in the first place. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On January 20 2022 18:22 Elroi wrote: I'd feel much more sorry for the kids who are forced to stay home from school, wear face masks, and genereally not see anyone or do anything because of a disease that is harmless to them. Relatively harmless* but otherwise yes I agree 100%. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Slydie
1927 Posts
On January 20 2022 18:22 Elroi wrote: I'd feel much more sorry for the kids who are forced to stay home from school, wear face masks, and genereally not see anyone or do anything because of a disease that is harmless to them. This. The UN even have "children's rights" that they deserve decent education. It is truly depressing how much that was worth once people with power felt themselves and their parents were threatened. Home schooling and limited social interaction has caused irreparable damage to the young generation, and the weakest are hit the worst, with surges of serious mental illness. No strain of Covid was ever much more harmful to kids than a flu, and catching it early could even being a huge long-term benefit for them. But for masks, kids actually have a rather easy time adapting to them. What is missing is communication about researching if they actually make a difference for various age groups. It is like some governments want to keep masking kids up for show, maybe to keep the parents calm, even though they are useless, and it is impossible to teach a kid to use them properly. Kids with hearing problems or other issues with communication are recklessly thrown under the bus. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9716 Posts
On January 20 2022 22:15 JimmiC wrote: You kinda want to make sure its milder before you make policy based on it. Given how the past waves have hone where many people were like sure we have infections but not hospitalizations, then the hospitalizations came and then the ICUs and dealths, it is better to be sure and careful. And its not like hospitals are not being strained even with the milder because of the pure volume. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.koco.com/amp/article/oklahoma-covid-19-hospitalizations-surpass-delta-variants-peak/38822898 https://www.news9.com/story/61e895964b5c210c05aae815/oklahoma-childrens-hospital-reports-record-covid19-hospitalizations?__vfz=medium=standalone_top_pages https://www.google.ca/amp/s/calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/covid-19-update-alberta-lagging-in-third-dose-uptake-fourth-doses-available-to-vulnerable-albertans-this-week-teachers-working-triple-duty/wcm/e8e93d14-2c8b-4027-a322-580ea80c0888/amp/ https://www.google.ca/amp/s/biv.com/article/2022/01/covid-19-hospitalizations-bc-hit-record-895?amp Yes and what do you think of the reason for all Western scientists basically completely ignoring the science coming from South Africa about Omicron? They were arrogant, dismissive and basically racist as fuck about it, only for it to be proven right time and time again against the best 'models' of current high flying politically operating western scientists. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-60039138 | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9716 Posts
On January 21 2022 01:46 JimmiC wrote: It is disapointing. I remember reading at the time that they were concerned that because SA is much younger and that the tracking was not as complete (meaning that many more would have some natural immunity) that some of the west was worried that it would hit us harder. But I also remember reading about optimism and that many of the measures were about a abundence of caution given the massive amount of spread and speed. And I dont think they were wholly wrong, many many places at least here are experiencing mass hospitalizations. That they are shorter in length and a lower percentage is great long term but it is still a huge strain. People hearing milder and ignoring all measures is not a good thing either. Yeah, people shouldn't ignore measures. The sad fact is its the unvaccinated who are ending up in hospital, and its the unvaccinated who are going to be the ones ignoring measures. Talk about a few people ruining things for everyone. I respect their freedom to do what they want, but i wish they weren't such dicks about it. I think the recent South Park episodes pretty much hit the nail on the head when it comes to unvaccinated people and how fucking irritating they are. Speaking from a UK perspective, I have zero trust in the science that the tories are listening to. Our right wing government has installed political operators in every key position they have filled (they have 'their guy' running almost every 'independent' institution in the country) and I have absolutely no reason to suspect this isn't true of the scientists they take advice from. Scientists are not immune from ambition, and in complex predictive science involving stuff like modelling viruses, the government will listen to whoever gives them the predictions they want. Worst case scenarios tend to give governments the most flexibility in how they can act, so there's always going to be a tendency to go down that route. Although hospitalizations are a huge strain, we aren't in a situation like at the beginning of covid. Health systems are much better equipped right now to deal with the strain than they were a couple of years ago. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4356 Posts
On January 21 2022 01:16 Jockmcplop wrote: Yes and what do you think of the reason for all Western scientists basically completely ignoring the science coming from South Africa about Omicron? They were arrogant, dismissive and basically racist as fuck about it, only for it to be proven right time and time again against the best 'models' of current high flying politically operating western scientists. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-60039138 All the media and scientists have done for the past two years is fearmonger and over exaggerate.So I wouldn’t say it was racist for them to ignore how mild SA omicron wave was, it was expected from them.Folks like myself who don’t follow mainstream news religiously could see it was all bull. We’ve just had the UK health minister admit what we all knew : covid deaths have been over exaggerated due to people dying from other causes being marked as covid deaths https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/19/high-covid-death-rates-include-people-did-not-die-virus-admits/ Great to see the UK scrapping mask mandates and restrictions, Czech scrapping vaxx mandates, talk in Israel of scrapping the horrific green passport.Hearing great things from the USA as well.Seems like it’s all finally coming to an end. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26032 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4356 Posts
On January 22 2022 09:25 JimmiC wrote: Less severe but more contagious does not mean it is not a problem. With not all states reporting their deaths they are back to over 3k a day. There is an abundence of data that vaccination prevents the most severe consequences. The unvaccinated continue to be a huge drain on the healthcare systems of the world. They are leading to huge tax increases or cuts elsewhere. We may soon be through this, but it will be in spite of the selfish and sadly the way society works is we will pay for them and those that got lucky on their gambel will some how still feel agrieved. And are all the deaths due to covid, or did they die from something unrelated? WHO just came out stating international travel bans should be lifted and there should be no proof of vaccination needed for international travel (see recommendations) : https://www.who.int/news/item/19-01-2022-statement-on-the-tenth-meeting-of-the-international-health-regulations-(2005)-emergency-committee-regarding-the-coronavirus-disease-(covid-19)-pandemic >MODIFIED: Lift or ease international traffic bans as they do not provide added value and continue to contribute to the economic and social stress experienced by States Parties. EXTENDED: Do NOT require proof of vaccination against COVID-19 for international travel as the only pathway or condition permitting international travel given limited global access and inequitable distribution of COVID-19 vaccines. Not sure whether they’re suggesting only poorer nations should be exempt from the pass, but considering the vaxx does not stop transmission or acquisition a negative test alone makes more sense. Hopefully Australia can start following this new WHO advice, especially here in the west where interstate borders let alone international are closed indefinitely. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14047 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
https://abc7news.com/covid-death-count-alameda-county-deaths-19-cases/10755419/ https://sanjosespotlight.com/santa-clara-county-revises-total-covid-deaths-by-over-20/ Omicron is having record numbers of incidental positive COVID results and record numbers of patients admitted "with covid" as opposed to "for covid." Don't think any of us can know for sure how accurate the covid death numbers are. Right now our death rate in California is 0.1 per 100,000 people and in San Fransisco last time I check about 5 days ago it was 0.02 per 100,000. Hard to say they are overcounting when the number is already basically zero. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14047 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On January 22 2022 23:11 Sermokala wrote: I think blackjack is under the assumption that there are only 100k people in California. Do you think 0.1 per 100k is a lot or something?  | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28707 Posts
On January 23 2022 01:39 BlackJack wrote: Do you think 0.1 per 100k is a lot or something? what's the time frame for that? a mortality rate of 0.1 per 100k per day is 14000 in one year for california. not super much either way, but it's not 'nothing' either. I would put it in the 'tolerable' basket, though. Update on Norway: We've been hit by a wave since november now. Since early november, our 7 day moving average infected count has been varying between 1500 and 14000 (which is the current number). Previously, our peak infected count was like 1300 per day. When the wave was first hitting, it looked kinda severe, because deaths were also rising to the highest we'd seen, peaking at 13-14 daily (again, 7 day average). However, as omicron has been taking over, the infected count has been skyrocketing - while deaths have actually decreased. Daily infected counts moved from 3000 to 14000, while daily deaths moved from 13 to 5 in the same period. Of course, might be some lag, but the impression I'm left with is that indeed, omicron is far less deadly. In the same vein, during my class friday morning, two of my pupils tested positive on tests that were handed out to them. Both healthy and vaccinated 17 or 18 year old, and both were shocked - because they were completely asymptomatic. While there's some disagreement still, I'm seeing more and more medical experts champion a 'let it rip' attitude; we have good vaccination numbers, risk groups have all gotten their booster, and omicron seems like a fair opportunity to give a 'natural immunity booster', in case the next mutation ends up being more dangerous again. And while we had a two week period of partial home schooling before and after Christmas, schools are back to 0 restrictions (other than frequent tests and symptomatic/confirmed cases obviously staying home) despite our biggest wave yet. | ||
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