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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
https://www.gmx.at/magazine/news/coronavirus/regierung-verkuendet-lockdown-verlaengerung-35445320#.homepage.hero.Regierung verkündet Lockdown-Verlängerung bis mindestens 7 Februar.0 | ||
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warding
Portugal2397 Posts
The top 4 countries right now in daily deaths per million are Czechia, UK, Slovakia and Portugal. Top 5 countries in biweekly cases per million are Ireland, Czechia, Israel, Slovenia and Portugal. By the way, ourworldindata.org is an amazing website. Highly recommended for people who like browsing through tables and statistics. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22668 Posts
On January 17 2021 21:12 warding wrote: If lockdown was this friday its going to be another 2 weeks until you start seeing the effects in cases, ~3 until hospitals notice it.Portugal is fast going towards a breakdown of health services. Lines of ambulances outside of hospitals being reported. Lockdown started on Friday, lets hope it takes effect. Hearing about friends and family being infected is now common, unlike any time before in the pandemic. The top 4 countries right now in daily deaths per million are Czechia, UK, Slovakia and Portugal. Top 5 countries in biweekly cases per million are Ireland, Czechia, Israel, Slovenia and Portugal. By the way, ourworldindata.org is an amazing website. Highly recommended for people who like browsing through tables and statistics. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On January 17 2021 21:12 warding wrote: Portugal is fast going towards a breakdown of health services. Lines of ambulances outside of hospitals being reported. Lockdown started on Friday, lets hope it takes effect. Hearing about friends and family being infected is now common, unlike any time before in the pandemic. The top 4 countries right now in daily deaths per million are Czechia, UK, Slovakia and Portugal. Top 5 countries in biweekly cases per million are Ireland, Czechia, Israel, Slovenia and Portugal. By the way, ourworldindata.org is an amazing website. Highly recommended for people who like browsing through tables and statistics. Man, only a month ago I got in a huge fight with some old friends who still live back in Ireland because I insisted their country easing corona restrictions was a bad call. Surprise, surprise; when the govt tells people it's okay to go out and act stupid, people go out and act stupid. I honestly don't get how can the shotcallers on this matter be so incompetent. Or are they more worried about people complaining that restrictions are too strict while cases are low than about people fucking dying in droves when restrictions are lifted? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On January 17 2021 03:55 TheTenthDoc wrote: Pretty much this. But it's not even just public awareness, it's more that every single person who has Vitamin D deficiency should correct it, full stop. No sane doctor is going to say "well, hmm. Your vitamin D level is low, but I was fine with it before. Now that COVID-19 is out there, you should supplement." It's like studying smoking and COVID-19-smokers should stop for a dozen other well-established reasons. The closest thing to an argument is using COVID-19 as a scare tactic to correct the deficiency, but misleading scare tactics are pretty controversial in public health, and even if it's acceptable it probably doesn't justify the research effort being poured into the vitamin D/COVID-19 linking question. There's also a tiny case for risk assessment and evaluation-kind of like why there were some early studies of smoking and COVID-19, or diabetes and COVID-19-but I feel like that's pretty silly, because at this point we have waaaaay better predictors of how bad someone's case is going to be than any of these things. But most of the research is not being cast that way. I guess... but COVID is kind of the hot topic right now so without that link a public awareness campaign about Vitamin D deficiency would be no less arbitrary than a public awareness campaign about managing high blood pressure or the need for colonoscopy screenings etc. If we already know Vitamin D deficiency is bad for health it's because research was done into that matter so not sure the reason for poo-pooing for more research into the matter. | ||
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Slydie
2016 Posts
On January 17 2021 23:02 Salazarz wrote: Man, only a month ago I got in a huge fight with some old friends who still live back in Ireland because I insisted their country easing corona restrictions was a bad call. Surprise, surprise; when the govt tells people it's okay to go out and act stupid, people go out and act stupid. I honestly don't get how can the shotcallers on this matter be so incompetent. Or are they more worried about people complaining that restrictions are too strict while cases are low than about people fucking dying in droves when restrictions are lifted? It even has a name, the "Champagne bottle" effect. It is just a downside of long and tough restrictions, whenever you lift them, you cause an explosion of unwanted activity. It is a very good reason to keep the restrictions as soft as possible in the first place. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22668 Posts
On January 18 2021 01:54 JimmiC wrote: I think you can see this in the difference between the first and second wave in the EU.Soft has not worked anywhere people don't take it serious. The key is to do them early so that when people have the effect you are speaking of there is not a bunch of infections out there to have the numbers explosion. No country has done a good job with sof measures, some have done well with early measures. First wave countries (generally speaking) quickly went into a full lockdown to stop what was happening to Italy and that successfully depressed the virus hard to a low level. But no one wanted to have to do a second lockdown so as numbers naturally started to creep back up after lifting the lockdown you got soft measure after soft measure that had some small or temporary effect until they simply stopped working and infections kept going up despite multiple soft measures in place and hard measures are once again needed. But now everyone is tired of it because you've had a lot of measures already in place for months and months. Wonder if things wouldn't have turned out better if instead of a long slow buildup towards an inevitable second lockdown countries had been more willing to pull the trigger on a hard 2nd lockdown early and maybe even an eventual 3e lockdown but with periods of relatively open freedom in between. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8934 Posts
cant have a 2nd wave when you dont let people in at all. and yet this country will lock shit down even after like 10 cases. fking ridiculous as you can see im not a fan of our draconian measures | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Slydie
2016 Posts
On January 18 2021 03:45 JimmiC wrote: I think much of the rest of the world would take it because it works. The rest of us now have the measures and high infections and deaths. Like I said super effective and unpopular!  There is every degree of failure and success around the world. If the death toll is comparable to normal flu, I think the country did right, and if it is lower after some draconian measures, it should be debatable if hysteria and fear triumphed good rationality. I think Denmark is an interesting country to follow right now. Unlike most EU countries, they locked down over Christmas, but seem to have brought a scary looking Christmas wave under control already. They are also doing a very good job at getting the vaccines out. It remains to be seen what happens when they open up again. For some reason, the magnitude of the first wave seem to be reflected in later ones. I am not sure why, it could be a general trend for the country or "lingering" virus which can cause outbreaks. About soft measures, remember I said "as soft as possible," meaning it should be always be considered how impactful a measure is vs. the cost, being social, cultural or with health. On my hate-list are things like closing schools, not allowing walks outside, not allowing sports and cultural activity that can be done safely and face-mask mandates outside. Other measures are known to be very effective almost everywhere but naturally meet restistance, like closing bars and restaurants and restrictions to travel/social gathering. | ||
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pmh
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De percentage of all infections that is the UK varation has risen to now ~10%. This percentage has been doubling every week. 1 week ago it was ~5%,2 weeks ago it was 2,5% and 3 weeks ago it was ~~1,25% The measures we currently have are -all schools closed -working from home if possible -non essential shops including bars,restaurants,museums closed -face mask in public transport and public indoor spaces including supermarkets -maximum group outside 2 people -a maximum of 2 different visitors from a different household during the day. -10 day quarantaine after coming into contact with a confirmed infection (not enforced). -1.5 meter social distancing both inside and outside. One of the very few measures left that has not yet been taken (but is beeing considered) is a curfew. These pretty extensive meassures have driven the r0 for the old variation slightly below 1 (this is quiet a disappointing result itself because the measures are stronger then in the spring last year where we saw a very quick reduction in cases). The r0 for the new variation is said to be 30% higher making it 1,3. This is a very high value considering all the meassures already in place. It seems virtually impossible to stop the spread of the new variation no matter which meassures are beeing taken and that makes me wonder if this variation still transmits in the same way as the older variations with droplets beeing the main source. It will take till at least september till the whole population has been vaccinated so there is not many options for the coming months. We hope spring will bring some relieve due to the weather but even that we can not truly count on with the new variation. It is starting to look like we will have strong meassures till at least the summer and possibly september, after that everything depends on the vaccin. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
It doesn't seem possible to control the spread without a full lockdown, above and beyond simply enacting restrictions. Without a vaccine, most countries aren't going to be able to get it under control. Looking at Israel though, they had around 10% of their population who've received the first dose on Jan. 1. This has only increased from there, so by the end of the month their overall case numbers should see a drastic decline when coupled with the lockdown they're in right now. We should see a similar decrease in all other countries at similar vaccination levels. Watching the numbers in Israel is going to be interesting. I think what we'll see is that the first 5-10% of population getting vaccinated is the most important (highest vulnerability), and deaths will drop off a cliff, even if cases stay the same or continue to rise. It makes a lot of sense to pay a premium to get that 5-10% vaccinated ASAP, even if the next batches are at a more regular rate. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/europe/norway-finds-no-link-between-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-and-deaths-in-care-homes-1.1149513 Norwegian health officials established no link between Pfizer/BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine and 33 deaths among elderly people who received their first dose. Camilla Stoltenberg, director general of the Norwegian Institute of Public Health, said all 13 cases that were analysed involved elderly patients who were frail and had serious illnesses. "It is important to remember that on average about 45 people die every day at nursing homes in Norway, so it's not a given that this represents any excess mortality or that they are related to the vaccines," she said. summary is in there, essentially there's no link between the vaccine and deaths in elderly patients. Old people should get doctors advice, but in general, they should get it in the majority of cases. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10666 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
So don't count on the priviledges too soon. Also depending on where you wanna go (why leave hawaii anyway :D), shit's closed anyway. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
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