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Simberto
Germany12032 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28910 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17851 Posts
1. Fever for 1 day, loss of smell for about half an hour the next day. That's it. 2. No fever, loss of smell and taste for a couple of days. 3. Fever and aches all over the body for a few days. 4. Blurred vision, slurred speech, trouble recalling names of objects (mind fog) for a few days. It's hard to believe the same virus is giving all of those symptoms. And considering how many people are asymptomatic it's even weirder. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Their hospitals are at 100% capacity. North Dakota has the highest per capita infection rate in the country now (it has a very low population overall, so the numbers of infected are only 10k). There are some CDC guidelines that let them do this, but it's a little weird? The move aligns with "crisis" guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Since only patients with COVID-19 could receive care from doctors and nurses with the virus, Burgum said there was little risk of more spread. He added that health care workers in COVID-19 units already wear protective gear to prevent them from contracting the virus. Burgum moved every county in the state to the orange-coded "high risk" level on the state's official COVID-19 gauge. All of the state's most populous counties were already at the risk level, which comes with recommendations for restaurants, bars and event venues to limit capacity to 25%. Many counties in state, including Cass and Grand Forks, meet two of the three main criteria for the "critical risk" level, but Burgum has never moved a county to the red-coded status. The highest risk level would come with mandatory business closures and a stay-at-home order. Burgum directly contradicted a recent medical study published by the CDC, saying that "shutting down the economy doesn't necessarily slow the spread" of the virus. Burgum has faced increasingly louder calls from doctors and political opponents to issue a statewide mask mandate, but the first-term Republican has so far rejected the measure in favor of relying on the "personal responsibility" of residents https://www.grandforksherald.com/newsmd/coronavirus/6753876-With-North-Dakota-hospitals-at-100-capacity-Burgum-announces-COVID-positive-nurses-can-stay-at-work | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18468 Posts
On November 11 2020 00:27 LegalLord wrote: That sounds like the kind of move you make when you're truly, desperately short-handed of appropriate medical workers. Well, yes, but it doesn't take much to think slightly further and realize that having contagious people take care of vulnerable people is probably only going to make that problem BIGGER. Although I guess if nurses with Covid only take care of Covid patients and stay away from the rest of the hospital, I guess you can't give people a disease they already have. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 11 2020 00:31 Acrofales wrote: Well, yes, but it doesn't take much to think slightly further and realize that having contagious people take care of vulnerable people is probably only going to make that problem BIGGER. Although I guess if nurses with Covid only take care of Covid patients and stay away from the rest of the hospital, I guess you can't give people a disease they already have. Yes, that's the obvious health hazard here. Although on the other hand, when the entire state's hospitals are at capacity and the rest of the country isn't doing that much better, you start being left with only hard choices. Knowing this is the US, though, I suspect it'll be primarily used to deny nurses the benefit of sick leave when infected. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6322 Posts
On November 11 2020 00:20 Nevuk wrote: This seems nuts to me. North Dakota governor just passed an order to let COVID positive nurses continue working. Their hospitals are at 100% capacity. North Dakota has the highest per capita infection rate in the country now (it has a very low population overall, so the numbers of infected are only 10k). There are some CDC guidelines that let them do this, but it's a little weird? https://www.grandforksherald.com/newsmd/coronavirus/6753876-With-North-Dakota-hospitals-at-100-capacity-Burgum-announces-COVID-positive-nurses-can-stay-at-work It was the same in the Netherlands at some places for a while. Shows how desperate they really are to keep up with all the new infections. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On the other hand, this is also why we've shut down these studios: https://www.instagram.com/p/CHbjiLIh_fn/?igshid=1t72opgne68fe It is actually ridiculous that you could attend an indoor gym class with masks off, whether it's a spin class, yoga or other activity. Even masks on is marginal. One person infected at least 67 people directly, and probably dozens more indirectly. | ||
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Slydie
2014 Posts
On November 11 2020 01:13 JimmiC wrote: FrEeDoM and masks are slightly uncomfortable. The left has been taking the "snowflake" label for way to long. Suck it up and put on a mask when you are in public. Holy shit! Trump making masks a political issue is going to end up killing, and because of long Covid, impacting so so many more lives than it needed too. Thank goodness he lost but they really need to stamp out the end of his stupid rhetoric and it is bad it is not happening. Adding to trumps oceans full of proven wrong lies, Covid did not go away after he lost the election AND no vaccine before election. I completely agree that masks should not be political, but then they must also be worn in situations and ways they actually have an effect. Outside, almost nobody gets infected in the first place, so the masks have no effect which distancing could not take care of already. The one exception is very crowded events in areas with a very high amount of spread. After months of massive mask use, how many are really staying disciplined with cleaning their hands when putting it on and removing it, and never touching it? NOBODY! It just isn't possible, which reduces the effectiveness even further. Have you tried to have a conversation with someone with masks on with some background noice? It is virtually impossible, and the only solutions are to move the masks down or to move closer. Have you ever tried to get to know a new person which you have only seen with a mask on? It completely fucks your mind up! Where is the value of seeing people smile, or seeing the face of a beautiful girl? Covered faces just makes life more depressing, on a very general level. So many in here speak like masks are the be-all-end-all of virus fighting. It isn't... at all, and having too much confidence in them can be harmful. The world is full of countries with absolutely massive amounts of new cases despite excessive mask use and strict laws. Wearing a mask is a very powerful political and moral symbol, but massively overrated as a way to stop covid-19. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On November 11 2020 18:08 Slydie wrote: I completely agree that masks should not be political, but then they must also be worn in situations and ways they actually have an effect. Outside, almost nobody gets infected in the first place, so the masks have no effect which distancing could not take care of already. The one exception is very crowded events in areas with a very high amount of spread. After months of massive mask use, how many are really staying disciplined with cleaning their hands when putting it on and removing it, and never touching it? NOBODY! It just isn't possible, which reduces the effectiveness even further. Have you tried to have a conversation with someone with masks on with some background noice? It is virtually impossible, and the only solutions are to move the masks down or to move closer. Have you ever tried to get to know a new person which you have only seen with a mask on? It completely fucks your mind up! Where is the value of seeing people smile, or seeing the face of a beautiful girl? Covered faces just makes life more depressing, on a very general level. So many in here speak like masks are the be-all-end-all of virus fighting. It isn't... at all, and having too much confidence in them can be harmful. The world is full of countries with absolutely massive amounts of new cases despite excessive mask use and strict laws. Wearing a mask is a very powerful political and moral symbol, but massively overrated as a way to stop covid-19. Those are? Only that come to mind are Belgium and the Netherlands? maybe france`? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22663 Posts
On November 11 2020 18:32 Artisreal wrote: I would not say mask use is all that wide spread in the Netherlands, nor are/were the rules strict.Those are? Only that come to mind are Belgium and the Netherlands? maybe france`? Masks are only mandated in public transports and only "recommended" in a bunch of places like supermarkets. Our second wave came during a time that bars and restaurants were still open, since closing them numbers have started to trend down again. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On November 11 2020 19:02 Gorsameth wrote: I would not say mask use is all that wide spread in the Netherlands, nor are/were the rules strict. Masks are only mandated in public transports and only "recommended" in a bunch of places like supermarkets. Our second wave came during a time that bars and restaurants were still open, since closing them numbers have started to trend down again. Almost no Western nation has either strict mask policies or strict laws. Rules in general are a joke compared to the nations that have it well under control, and at this point I think they're right. For the sake of controlling a pandemic, I'm on the fuck your freedoms train now because quite frankly, most people are ill-informed and also godawful at risk assessment on a wider level. The countries that aced it can literally host concerts, sporting events with fans in attendance, etc. China literally just hosted LoL worlds with thousands of people in a stadium, and I'd be surprised if there was a single covid case in the entire crowd. I'd feel pretty safe dining in at places in China, Vietnam, Taiwan, etc. that have it under control. Can't say the same for pretty much any western nation that's not australia or NZ atm. Meanwhile we're stuck with piling on these small restrictions one by one to simply try and keep it manageable because Karen and her girls just have to go to spin class, and the studio was mask required right up until they started exercising and now a hundred people and all the people they've been in contact with now have covid or have to isolate. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
Taiwan did the exact opposite. They responded quickly, they were already prepared way ahead of the outbreak, they constantly communicated with their citizens and the whole world, they did not infringe significantly on their citizens' rights, they backtracked bad policies when citizens demanded it, and so forth. Not every Taiwanese was/is happy with the actions of their government (like expropriating certain businesses and other such measures) but by the by they acted well. To say that we should follow the lead of China is absolutely laughable. To say we should follow the lead of Taiwan is an argument in hindsight. But to say "fuck your freedom" for the sake of fighting the pandemic? Yeah, you're not getting my support. User was warned for this post. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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