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Any and all updates regarding the COVID-19 will need a source provided. Please do your part in helping us to keep this thread maintainable and under control.

It is YOUR responsibility to fully read through the sources that you link, and you MUST provide a brief summary explaining what the source is about. Do not expect other people to do the work for you.

Conspiracy theories and fear mongering will absolutely not be tolerated in this thread. Expect harsh mod actions if you try to incite fear needlessly.

This is not a politics thread! You are allowed to post information regarding politics if it's related to the coronavirus, but do NOT discuss politics in here.

Added a disclaimer on page 662. Many need to post better.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
November 07 2020 01:18 GMT
#5501
Oh fuck.

USA hit 130k today.

BC had a new 1 day record, and there's a press conference scheduled for tomorrow at 1pm which hasn't happened since the last peak in March. We're in trouble now as we head into fall and winter
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10095 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-07 02:10:03
November 07 2020 02:07 GMT
#5502
Biden might need to shut it down in December, therapeutics won't be ready to deal with the rising case count and he has to do something about the exponential growth. I don't think social distancing and masks are gonna work to reduce the case count in the US. Hospitals only have so much room.

The problem with that is you can't do something like that without providing stimulus.. which is another obstacle
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22662 Posts
November 07 2020 02:16 GMT
#5503
On November 07 2020 11:07 TT1 wrote:
Biden might need to shut it down in December, therapeutics won't be ready to deal with the rising case count and he has to do something about the exponential growth. I don't think social distancing and masks are gonna work to reduce the case count in the US. Hospitals only have so much room.

The problem with that is you can't do something like that without providing stimulus.. which is another obstacle
Biden? December?
Biden won't be President until Jan 20th. Unless Trump has a sudden massive change of heart nothing is going to happen until then.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10095 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-07 02:21:25
November 07 2020 02:17 GMT
#5504
On November 07 2020 11:16 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 11:07 TT1 wrote:
Biden might need to shut it down in December, therapeutics won't be ready to deal with the rising case count and he has to do something about the exponential growth. I don't think social distancing and masks are gonna work to reduce the case count in the US. Hospitals only have so much room.

The problem with that is you can't do something like that without providing stimulus.. which is another obstacle
Biden? December?
Biden won't be President until Jan 20th. Unless Trump has a sudden massive change of heart nothing is going to happen until then.


leadership has to step up and do what's best for the country, they have influence

the first step is coming together on a stimulus deal before the end of the year, McConnell and Pelosi need to stop playing games
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 07 2020 02:30 GMT
#5505
I think I read somewhere that McConnell was willing to do a stimulus before January (likely to try to avoid a larger one from Biden), but Trump has said he won't give one if he loses. A vetoproof one could be in the cards, we'll see.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-07 04:52:37
November 07 2020 03:59 GMT
#5506
Edit: Sorry wrong thread.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10095 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-07 05:02:17
November 07 2020 04:45 GMT
#5507


Biden on COVID, apparently his former CDC health advisor suggested following Ireland's COVID guidelines:

[image loading]
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria891 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-07 16:28:30
November 07 2020 16:28 GMT
#5508
I didn't believe in China's cases by the middle of the 1st wave. Now they still have about the same: 86,184
Link: https://bing.com/covid/local/chinamainland

They can't hide dead people without being noticed, but how could this be?
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
November 07 2020 16:35 GMT
#5509
On November 08 2020 01:28 SC-Shield wrote:
I didn't believe in China's cases by the middle of the 1st wave. Now they still have about the same: 86,184
Link: https://bing.com/covid/local/chinamainland

They can't hide dead people without being noticed, but how could this be?


Same as Taiwan, Japan, SK, Vietnam etc. Population level acceptance of all mitigation measures, full adoption of masks, cultural willingness to sacrifice personal lives for collective good.
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
November 07 2020 18:07 GMT
#5510
Aggressive contact tracing and testing.
Graphics
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 07 2020 19:04 GMT
#5511
I wouldn't be surprised if, at the end of all this, the evidence showed that the infection spread farther and wider than the government was willing to admit under current circumstances.

That said, all the evidence shows that once China did start taking it seriously, they got it under control in record time. Here and there you hear about new outbreaks in China, which are quickly met with some very aggressive measures to bring it under control. Turns out that locking people down by posting soldiers in key gathering points and locking down all forms of transportation is far more effective than merely hoping that people will obey the rules.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
November 08 2020 01:20 GMT
#5512
I don't believe anything out of China. The CCP has a history of lying about anything and everything that would harm their reputation. They have a huge incentive to make people believe that their methods are good and sound. They could have lots of problem areas without telling anyone, and we'd never know because of the Chinese firewall.
I'll never believe the news out of China until the CCP goes under.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
November 08 2020 01:33 GMT
#5513
On November 08 2020 10:20 Magic Powers wrote:
I don't believe anything out of China. The CCP has a history of lying about anything and everything that would harm their reputation. They have a huge incentive to make people believe that their methods are good and sound. They could have lots of problem areas without telling anyone, and we'd never know because of the Chinese firewall.
I'll never believe the news out of China until the CCP goes under.

Sure they could. it's not particularly in China's interest to have Covid running rampant across the country either though.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 08 2020 02:58 GMT
#5514
There are still foreign journalists in China. If many major cities were locked down, we would know.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
November 08 2020 02:59 GMT
#5515
On November 08 2020 10:20 Magic Powers wrote:
I don't believe anything out of China. The CCP has a history of lying about anything and everything that would harm their reputation. They have a huge incentive to make people believe that their methods are good and sound. They could have lots of problem areas without telling anyone, and we'd never know because of the Chinese firewall.
I'll never believe the news out of China until the CCP goes under.


Fair, but given the extent to which it is controlled in every neighboring country and how ruthlessly effective China was at eradicating it in February, id be tempted to believe it. Deaths can be off by an order of magnitude for all that it matters now. Their reporting over the last 6 months is likely accurate.

It's very much a disease which can be controlled with social obedience.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24387 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-08 05:43:52
November 08 2020 05:43 GMT
#5516
On November 07 2020 13:45 TT1 wrote:
...Ireland's COVID guidelines:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Anyone know how Ireland is determining which level a particular area is at?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10095 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-08 06:09:50
November 08 2020 06:07 GMT
#5517
On November 08 2020 14:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 13:45 TT1 wrote:
...Ireland's COVID guidelines:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Anyone know how Ireland is determining which level a particular area is at?


the government announces it, it's probably based on COVID count/exponential growth (that's how we do it in Quebec, we have similar guidelines)
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24387 Posts
November 08 2020 06:54 GMT
#5518
On November 08 2020 15:07 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2020 14:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 07 2020 13:45 TT1 wrote:
...Ireland's COVID guidelines:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Anyone know how Ireland is determining which level a particular area is at?


the government announces it, it's probably based on COVID count/exponential growth (that's how we do it in Quebec, we have similar guidelines)


I guess I was just wondering if there was an accompanying guideline for each stage for the case count/spread rate/positivity rate or whatever? Like X new infections per thousand people for stage Y in an area or something.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2397 Posts
November 09 2020 13:24 GMT
#5519
Apparent big news today as Pfizer and BioNTech announce 90% efficacy in the preliminary phase 3 trials for their vaccine candidate.

They say safety data is still being gathered until end of next week but this seems like brilliant news. Production capacity expected to be 50M this year and 1.3Bn next year.

https://investors.pfizer.com/investor-news/press-release-details/2020/Pfizer-and-BioNTech-Announce-Vaccine-Candidate-Against-COVID-19-Achieved-Success-in-First-Interim-Analysis-from-Phase-3-Study/default.aspx
Neneu
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway492 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-09 13:49:40
November 09 2020 13:43 GMT
#5520
Every fifth test in Stockholm (Sweden) are positive atm. There goes the theory that some held on to, that after the outbreak in Stockholm this spring, they had a significantly higher herd immunity than rest and would not have as big problems during the second wave.

Every fifth Stockholmer who has been tested for the coronavirus is infected with covid-19. This is shown by Region Stockholm's latest figures.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/3Jgxj9/senaste-nytt-om-coronaviruset
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