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On May 29 2020 09:24 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2020 08:34 LegalLord wrote:
My local mall opened up again just over a week ago. Been around there a few times before and since; it's been interesting to watch.
Was operating at around 1/10 store capacity during lockdown (some logistics still need doing, some businesses can still operate fully online / via curbside), went to about 1/4 when it opened up at first, now looks like maybe 1/3 of the stores are open. Looking at which stores seem to be in the process of bringing things back online, I think about half will be open in the very near future. Maybe 4 stores looked like they're now shuttered for good, judging by obvious signs of packing up and leaving. I'm sure there will be more eventually.
The mall was historically very well trafficked, with what must have been thousands of people on any given day. These last few times, it wasn't exactly "dead mall" levels of empty, but... even at popular times there couldn't have been more than 200 people there. And what's more, wearing a mask is so suffocating that it absolutely makes me think twice about going shopping. The whole "social distancing" mechanic isn't much fun either.
Seems like a lot of people are hoping for a rapid economic recovery driven by a post-lockdown boom. Personally, I'm just not feeling it. If I'm supposed to be patronizing businesses when I have to avoid all other people like the plague, and wear a suffocating mask while doing it - well I'm definitely going to think twice about doing so. I bet most other people will feel the same way. Not only is it unpleasant, but lots of people have developed ways of getting by without malls at this point. Similar to WFH, the people who didn't quite get around to making themselves efficient at online shopping are likely totally set at this point. I won't be going to stores for a very long time, but once I do, I'm not sure what that will look like.
Eh. I don’t usually go to the mall specifically to buy stuff; I go because it’s something to do and it’s a pretty good place to get lunch. I won’t say malls will do great - they’ve generally done poorly in the past decade or two - but they’re not going to be obsoleted any more than they already were. Hell, Amazon has several stores in malls around here.
On that note, my experience with online shopping lately has been fucking terrible. Buying physical books on Amazon has been nigh impossible and they want to peddle their Kindle editions extra hard (no way, no how am I paying $100 for a digital copy of a book). Couple that with the currently deeply dysfunctional mail system, and buying online has been fairly sparse. I’m sure I spent more money online same time last year, when the system actually worked. Now I don’t buy much more than... face coverings and exotic cooking supplies (which I can’t buy locally anyways). Nothing arrives on time.
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SERIOUS QUESTION:
do u know somebody, that knows somebody that is infected?
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On May 29 2020 11:16 XenOsky wrote:
SERIOUS QUESTION:
do u know somebody, that knows somebody that is infected?
I know my boss that I assume knows this girl that works in my department. Does that count?
If not, I know several other co-workers that know her.
Though she is the only one I know that is infected at this specific moment.
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I'm not sure about this "serious" part... espacially, because you already ask for "second degree"...
but just for "humor": Sure! A lot!
For Example: My company had a case! My bosses didn't release the name of my colleague to all of us - it was another departement; THEY probably know directly - but yeah.
Or a good friend had to quarantine herself, because a patient of her was tested positive! She was tested too, but didn't got it it seems.
There you go, two people I know, that know someone infected!
Back to this mall thing ... I'm not a big shopper. Maybe - in good times - I go to the mall like once every 3 weeks or so. So meh about big malls and what's going on there atm!
But:
I won't be going to stores for a very long time, but once I do, I'm not sure what that will look like.
basically I know why, but still: Why don't you go? Maybe I missed it, but there weren't any big "superspreader events" caused by some shopping! I think the risk of getting infected in a shop with - current - normal distance and maybe disinfectant at the entrance and so on is basically ... well not 0, but close by!
Like I said I'm not a big shpper, but "before" I went to the normal supermarket at least 3 times a week, because I always buy small amounts of food and stuff (and my supermarket is like 2min walking from my home). Do you know how often I go there now? Yes, you are right: 3 times a week! Also I didn't miss a single day at work (no home office for me) I even take the public transportation (I admit, I used my car for a few weeks, but I'm back at train). Everything is fine!
A page(?) ago there was mention of this outbreak in a church here in Germany. We are up to over 200 infected there!
https://www.hessenschau.de/gesellschaft/jetzt-schon-200-corona-faelle-nach-gottesdienst-in-frankfurt,mehr-infizierte-baptistengemeinde-100.html
(German!)
So we see the "power" of this crazy virus and how fast it can spread! But that was a "special" event and it seems every basic hygiene measurement was broken!
I think we should keep a cool head and listen to Douglas Adams! 
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On May 29 2020 11:16 XenOsky wrote:
SERIOUS QUESTION:
do u know somebody, that knows somebody that is infected?
yes.
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On May 29 2020 11:16 XenOsky wrote:
SERIOUS QUESTION:
do u know somebody, that knows somebody that is infected?
i know somebody who knows somebody who died due to covid19.
does that count?
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On May 29 2020 11:16 XenOsky wrote:
SERIOUS QUESTION:
do u know somebody, that knows somebody that is infected?
Well I know people that are/were infected, and we have shared acquaintances so I guess ... Yes?
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On May 29 2020 11:16 XenOsky wrote:
SERIOUS QUESTION:
do u know somebody, that knows somebody that is infected?
Infected currently? Don't think so. But I know people who recovered, and I know people who know people who died.
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On May 29 2020 11:16 XenOsky wrote:
SERIOUS QUESTION:
do u know somebody, that knows somebody that is infected?
Not right now but it's pretty much over in Switzerland now.
I know three people who got it for sure, including my best friend.
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On May 29 2020 11:16 XenOsky wrote:
SERIOUS QUESTION:
do u know somebody, that knows somebody that is infected?
Yes, many.
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My boss tested posetive, and several family members of friends and colleagues went to hospital for Covid-19.
Yes, I agree that stopping the spread is much easier than first feared. Most new infections also seem very obvious, close contact over time etc.
My routine of checking Worldometer every day has gotten a serious dent. Spain has stopped reporting recoveries for nearly a week now, so the number of active cases appears to rise. This is also because antibody tests are also counted. They also did some very weird acrobatics with their counts of deaths and cases in both directions, including a day with -1915 deaths(!)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/
Several other countries also have weird reporting, I have seen strange jumps in Sweden, Slovenia, China and elsewhere. That is not even counting the different methods countries use. Belgium was mentioned earlier as counting even suspicious deaths, Russia MUST be underreporting.
Maybe the WHO should have made a guideline for reporting statistics? This is incredibly messy!
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I'm still really curious about the actual cases in China
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On May 29 2020 11:16 XenOsky wrote:
SERIOUS QUESTION:
do u know somebody, that knows somebody that is infected?
I directly know 3 people who have had Covid-19.
If I'm allowed to expand to two degrees of separation (I know someone who directly knows a Covid-19 patient/victim), then that number jumps to around 30. Almost none of them are still sick afaik (either healed or died over the past 1-2 months), so if you're only looking for present-tense, the number is back down to around 5ish people. Most of these 30 people are in my state of New Jersey.
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On May 29 2020 17:42 Slydie wrote:My boss tested posetive, and several family members of friends and colleagues went to hospital for Covid-19. Yes, I agree that stopping the spread is much easier than first feared. Most new infections also seem very obvious, close contact over time etc. My routine of checking Worldometer every day has gotten a serious dent. Spain has stopped reporting recoveries for nearly a week now, so the number of active cases appears to rise. This is also because antibody tests are also counted. They also did some very weird acrobatics with their counts of deaths and cases in both directions, including a day with -1915 deaths(!) https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/Several other countries also have weird reporting, I have seen strange jumps in Sweden, Slovenia, China and elsewhere. That is not even counting the different methods countries use. Belgium was mentioned earlier as counting even suspicious deaths, Russia MUST be underreporting. Maybe the WHO should have made a guideline for reporting statistics? This is incredibly messy!
The methods of data reporting vary by country and even by state in the case of the US, the WHO wouldn't really be the right entity. Adding antibody tests with PCR tests just seems silly. In Portugal recoveries were only being counted in hospital cases, whereas cases at home weren't being counted. That led to a one day drop from 21k to 11k active cases which was either explained by a second coming of Jesus performing mass miracles or by the introduction of a new system for family doctors to report recovered patients from the stay-at-home cases..
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On May 29 2020 11:16 XenOsky wrote:
SERIOUS QUESTION:
do u know somebody, that knows somebody that is infected?
i know zero. my network is comprised entirely of australian and korean nationals so i guess im kinda lucky that both countries were pretty minimally impacted
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The Lancet study on hydroxychloroquine (that didn't use zinc) was found to have inconsistencies.Pretty embarassing for such a prestigious organisation.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/may/28/questions-raised-over-hydroxychloroquine-study-which-caused-who-to-halt-trials-for-covid-19
Questions raised over hydroxychloroquine study which caused WHO to halt trials for Covid-19
But data from Johns Hopkins University shows only 67 deaths from Covid-19 had been recorded in Australia by 21 April. The number did not rise to 73 until 23 April. The data relied upon by researchers to draw their conclusions in the Lancet is not readily available in Australian clinical databases, leading many to ask where it came from.
The federal health department confirmed to Guardian Australia that the data collected on notifications of Covid-19 in the National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System was not the source for informing the trial.
Guardian Australia also contacted the health departments of Australia’s two most populous states, New South Wales and Victoria, which have had by far the largest number of Covid-19 infections between them. Of the Australian deaths reported by 21 April, 14 were in Victoria and 26 in NSW.
Victoria’s department confirmed the study’s results relating to the Australian data did not reconcile with the state’s coronavirus data, including hospital admissions and deaths. The NSW Department of Health also confirmed it did not provide the researchers with the data for its databases.
The Lancet told Guardian Australia: “We have asked the authors for clarifications, we know that they are investigating urgently, and we await their reply.” The lead author of the study, Dr Mandeep Mehra, said he had contacted Surgisphere, the company that provided the data, to reconcile the discrepancies with “the utmost urgency”. Surgisphere is described as a healthcare data analytics and medical education company.
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On May 29 2020 11:16 XenOsky wrote:
SERIOUS QUESTION:
do u know somebody, that knows somebody that is infected?
Nope.
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India looks like an interesting case. Its allegedly very low infection rate seemed very suspicious, given that it is neither a country with good pandemic response (present or historic) nor one that is generally less vulnerable than average (e.g. Sweden). I chalked that up to the fact that India is a country where death rate statistics are likely to be wildly inaccurate, so coronavirus deaths could easily go unnoticed. But looking at it now, India is one of the few countries left that looks like it's still climbing an exponential curve. And it seems to be unique in one other way: it's one of the only countries ending a lockdown at a point where things are getting obviously worse, rather than starting one:
NEW DELHI — Its coronavirus cases are skyrocketing, putting it among the world’s most worrisome pandemic zones in recent weeks. Nonetheless, India is reopening, lifting its lockdown at what experts fear may be the worst time.
Migrant workers are becoming infected at an alarmingly high rate, leading to fresh outbreaks in villages across northern India. Public hospitals in Mumbai are so overwhelmed that patients have taken to sleeping on cardboard in the hallways.
Doctors fear that the lockdown, which started over two months ago, has been eased too soon, after slowing the virus but failing to flatten the new-case curve as effectively as other nations have. If India does not find a way to curb the virus in high-risk states, epidemiologists project that its total caseload could approach a million within several weeks.
If it isn't already there, I expect India's case load to look worse than the US before too long.
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It will be difficult for Brazil to outdo US because Trump is an exceptional president, let's say it that way... Meanwhile, we had only 8 new cases yesterday. Numbers are still going down. 
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