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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

* Indiana: 1,832 COVID-19 deaths; 2,149 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 384)
* Illinois: 4,856 COVID-19 deaths; 3,986 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 782)
* Tennessee: 336 COVID-19 deaths; 1,704 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 611)
* Ohio: 1,969 COVID-19 deaths; 2,327 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 820)
* Virginia: 1,208 COVID-19 deaths; 1,394 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 451)
* West Virginia: 72 COVID-19 deaths; 438 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 117)

On May 28 2020 09:11 Lmui wrote:
As expected I guess, USA is over their holiday and is reporting higher numbers again.

I'm a bit skeptical of the reporting though for some states. It's almost definitely an undercount, primarily by assigning different causes of death.

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Edit: 5year avg is expected deaths in state from feb1 to whenever comment was made

Across all states, taking the pneumonia deaths this year vs 5 year averages, it's around 40k excess deaths from pneumonia alone. Odds are including a couple other related ones, actual deaths are likely much higher than currently reported.

On May 28 2020 09:11 Lmui wrote:
As expected I guess, USA is over their holiday and is reporting higher numbers again.

I'm a bit skeptical of the reporting though for some states. It's almost definitely an undercount, primarily by assigning different causes of death.

(Copied from reddit)


Edit: 5year avg is expected deaths in state from feb1 to whenever comment was made

Across all states, taking the pneumonia deaths this year vs 5 year averages, it's around 40k excess deaths from pneumonia alone. Odds are including a couple other related ones, actual deaths are likely much higher than currently reported.

On May 28 2020 20:04 Harris1st wrote:


Did I understand this right that all those deaths caused by pneumonia are not counted in the COVID numbers?
And nobody bats an eye that pneumonia deaths are 4-5 times the "usual" numbers?

On May 29 2020 04:48 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
With the exception of Chicago, Illinois is getting ready to re-open. They've met all 5 of the White House's criteria for re-opening, so governor Pritzker is moving forward.
Newsweek link, has link to the governor's twitter post on it
Phase 3 of "Restore Illinois" allows most essential and non-essential businesses to re-open while accommodating for social distancing guidelines. Bars and restaurants can't open their inside spaces up yet, though.

I'm not sure about this, and I'm glad that Chicago is using its own schedule instead, even if it means I'm stuck inside for a bit longer. I went to volunteer at a food pantry today, and while there's not enough space to enforce social distancing in the back end of the place and some of the recipients don't have masks, the staff are doing what they can. I didn't get to ask if they've seen an uptick in customers, but I'll try to figure it out next time I go.

On May 29 2020 05:27 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:

Yeah, we can't reopen the bar yet because we don't have enough space outside to make it worthwhile just yet. So maybe mid-June is when we'll open fully and get things going. It'll still be a challenge but we'll see how it goes.

I'm assuming you're downtown?

On May 29 2020 08:34 LegalLord wrote:
My local mall opened up again just over a week ago. Been around there a few times before and since; it's been interesting to watch.

Was operating at around 1/10 store capacity during lockdown (some logistics still need doing, some businesses can still operate fully online / via curbside), went to about 1/4 when it opened up at first, now looks like maybe 1/3 of the stores are open. Looking at which stores seem to be in the process of bringing things back online, I think about half will be open in the very near future. Maybe 4 stores looked like they're now shuttered for good, judging by obvious signs of packing up and leaving. I'm sure there will be more eventually.

The mall was historically very well trafficked, with what must have been thousands of people on any given day. These last few times, it wasn't exactly "dead mall" levels of empty, but... even at popular times there couldn't have been more than 200 people there. And what's more, wearing a mask is so suffocating that it absolutely makes me think twice about going shopping. The whole "social distancing" mechanic isn't much fun either.

Seems like a lot of people are hoping for a rapid economic recovery driven by a post-lockdown boom. Personally, I'm just not feeling it. If I'm supposed to be patronizing businesses when I have to avoid all other people like the plague, and wear a suffocating mask while doing it - well I'm definitely going to think twice about doing so. I bet most other people will feel the same way.