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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
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Nebuchad
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17429 Posts
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thePunGun
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It honestly baffles me, that in most countries there are no classes available on how to properly raise a child. So parents around the globe are just winging it and go by trial and error. I mean we're talking about the future of humanity here, yet nobody is really taught how to be a good parent in school. That's actually pretty frightening, we just assume everybody knows what to do and will do it correctly. Parents are always shocked, when one of their kids turns out to be a hateful prick, rapist or murderer, for that very reason. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10360 Posts
Yeah, if people are using them in spiteful ways to align themselves with alt-right, you can call them out on it. But it's the individual behind the use of the meme, not the meme itself. Otherwise, wtf is the point? Guess Scuba divers better find a different hand gesture than the OK sign to signal they're OK underwater right? Otherwise, all scuba divers are now alt-right white supremacists. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17429 Posts
On October 25 2019 01:07 thePunGun wrote: The real root of problems like this is education. It honestly baffles me, that in most countries there are no classes available on how to properly raise a child. So parents around the globe are just winging it and go by trial and error. I mean we're talking about the future of humanity here, yet nobody is really taught how to be a good parent in school. That's actually pretty frightening, we just assume everybody knows what to do and will do it correctly. Parents are always shocked, when one of their kids turns out to be a hateful prick, rapist or murderer, for that very reason. One can be very well educated and have poor self esteem and wind up adopting a pathological ideology. In fact, the adoption of a pathological ideology is merely a larger amplification of poor self esteem. I should say , as a condition of this working you must be in a 1st world country in some semblance of democracy. If you are living in a 3rd world country ruled by a dictator who randomly napalms hospitals for shits and giggles "high self esteem" isn't going to help you adopt a proper political ideology. | ||
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thePunGun
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CiuCiu
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On October 25 2019 01:48 thePunGun wrote: My point was the parents should be educated on how to raise a child. If you have a loving family (meaning parents, who actually know what they're doing) you won't end up having low self esteem and fall for any kind of ideological brainwashing (in a 1st world country). i read that article too. sounds like drivel. if you're not an ass hole in the first place i don't think memes and dog whistles are going to push you over the edge | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
The alt-right phenomenon in my perception has just little overlap with gaming, but I wonder what it is about. Being superficially open and progressive, but actually an ass and backwards? Though still occupying memes? What, and even who is the alt-right anyway? A couple of months ago, an article in the German weekly newspaper "Der Spiegel" counted Dave Rubin as alt-right. But is he? Or is he just not the sharpest knife in the drawer? (Mis)using Pepe the frog as alt-right meme is strange, too. Leave Pepe (and Britney!) alone! But seriously, is Jesse Lee Peterson right-wing, alt-right, or just a troll? | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26523 Posts
On October 24 2019 23:33 farvacola wrote: Perhaps, but an ideological group’s use of symbols is at least a component of the substance of their ideology. The whole “I’m serious until I’m joking until I’m serious” end run around serious criticism is baked into the use of memes to convey ideas, for example. The alt-right has capitalized on this dynamic. Yeah they really have. From my deep diving into weird corners of the internet they actively thrive on this confusion. They like to use certain signifiers that are plausibly deniable to congregate, ‘oh look at the crazy SJWs designating Pepe as a hate symbol’ etc etc. I mean write them off at one’s peril I suppose. From my time on legitimate fascist forums discovering how they thought they use all these tactics to seem more palatable | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2396 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9806 Posts
There's not much you can do about it except try and ignore them when you can. Causing a big fuss about it literally only helps the people you are trying to fight. Making a 6 hour Youtube series about how these symbols are now right wing symbols is counter productive, no matter how good or interesting the content of the videos is. Just let them have their frog and interpret it however they want to. Then they look like stupid kids. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
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Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
On October 25 2019 12:37 Danglars wrote: Bullshit.You’re giving the alt-right way too much credit here. They aren’t “alt right terminology” or “symbols.” They’re internet memes and their use is fucking easy to understand in context. The original post appears as nothing more than reactionary terror at alt right people using irreverent memes just like normal people do. Have a little perspective, please. The internet wasn’t invented yesterday, and becoming the new Church Ladies saying everything is Satan is a poor choice of direction. The alt-right absolutely deserves this level of credit, and are absolutely not using irreverant memes like normal people. They're actively attempting to bring fringe beliefs into the mainstream conversation. I'll let the modern Nazis explain this one: Always hijack existing cultural memes in any way possible. Don't worry if the meme was originally Jewish. It doesn't matter. Cultural references and attachment of entertainment culture to Nazi concepts have the psychological purpose of removing it from the void of weirdness that it would naturally exist in, due to the way it has been dealt with by the culture thus far, and making it a part of the reader's world. Through this method we are also able to use the existing culture to transmit our own ideas and agenda. The unindoctrinated should not be able to tell if we are joking or not. This is from the Daily Stormer's style guide that leaked a while back. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
On October 25 2019 14:12 Kyadytim wrote: Bullshit. The alt-right absolutely deserves this level of credit, and are absolutely not using irreverant memes like normal people. They're actively attempting to bring fringe beliefs into the mainstream conversation. I'll let the modern Nazis explain this one: This is from the Daily Stormer's style guide that leaked a while back. And? It's not a sign of confidence or strength that power is ceded to the fringe so easily. Say nope they don't get to manipulate language and culture like that and poof their power to do it disappears. That is literally all it takes. The OK symbol, pure insanity. Weirdos use it so it can't be used anymore. Well great what can weirdos exercise such power over next? Power that they purely manipulated their way into wielding, power that they wouldn't have if people didn't let their response be manipulated. Just say no lol. Weirdos don't get to manipulate everybody else into believing this or that symbol or whatever is unacceptable. | ||
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