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Simberto
Germany12061 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17865 Posts
How on earth is this allowed? So much shady shit going on... | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18005 Posts
On May 23 2026 15:15 Acrofales wrote: So when gold dropped in value in the 80s and 90s, wouldn't treasury bonds have worked better to maintain wealth? And the boom since the 2000s has been great for making money with gold, but safer assets would've worked fine to maintain it. Don't get me wrong, I like a mix of gold in a diversified portfolio. But if your goal is to maintain wealth (risk averse) there's far better guarantees than gold. you bring up good points. i'll respond below. On May 23 2026 15:05 KwarK wrote: Again, volatility is not considered a good thing if you're trying to maintain your wealth. You're just wrong. Words have meanings and you're using them incorrectly. here is how you use gold. i'll take a worse case scenario. you retired in 1985 just as the bear market for gold began. you died in 2005 just as that long, unusual bear market for gold ended. Ok , its 1945 and you're an electrical engineer making $3750/year. Buying 20 ounces of gold per year is realistic/viable. From 1945 to 1985 the only years it is difficult for this electrical engineer to buy 20 oz. of gold would've been 1979/1980. So let's pretend you did not buy gold during those 2 years. That gold, in 1985 has a current value of: $268,000 . You cash in say, $10,000 in gold each year during retirement and leave your surviving family with 208 ounces of gold or $107,000 in Gold in 2005. A nice 2 bedroom apartment in 1985 in upstate New York is $400/month. So your gold money pays your rent easily ... assuming you lost your house to your crazy ex-wife. Even with gold declining every year for 15 straight years you still have rent money for 55+ years. Maybe there are cases more worse than this... this situation for your gold savings is pretty bad and it still works great. This is the bog-standard, cookie-cutter, wealth preservation strategy recommended by financial planners the world over. You can walk into any major bank in Canada or the USA and get this type of wealth preservation advice. I'm not splitting the atom here. This is straight out of ChatGPT or Myron or Claude or whatever name these AIs are these days. Allocating 20% of your savings pool to gold across a 40-year horizon (2012 to 2052) is a highly viable and robust strategy. On May 23 2026 19:26 Manit0u wrote: How on earth is this allowed? So much shady shit going on... the whole world is a lie. and this is nothing new... its been this way forever. Elon Musk did not invent mass levels of corruption. He is being allowed to get away with a lot. The question is .. .why him? + Show Spoiler + Here is a possible logical explanation keeping in mind that the whole world is a lie... Elon knows the moon landings were fake and he knows how to prove it to the general public. So the families running the world, the british royals are one such family, let him do all kinds of crazy shady things. its hilarious that the only 2 times humans have managed to go out of low earth orbit it was under the presidencies of Richard Nixon and Donald Trump.  | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17865 Posts
On May 23 2026 21:10 JimmyJRaynor wrote: the whole world is a lie. and this is nothing new... its been this way forever. Elon Musk did not invent mass levels of corruption. He is being allowed to get away with a lot. The question is .. .why him? + Show Spoiler + Here is a possible logical explanation keeping in mind that the whole world is a lie... Elon knows the moon landings were fake and he knows how to prove it to the general public. So the families running the world, the british royals are one such family, let him do all kinds of crazy shady things. its hilarious that the only 2 times humans have managed to go out of low earth orbit it was under the presidencies of Richard Nixon and Donald Trump. Moon landing wasn't fake, but there's nothing of interest on the Moon. The operation is also extremely costly and dangerous so there's no incentive to repeat those. Both times it was done was basically for a publicity stunt. No one is seriously entertaining any ideas of leaving low Earth orbit because humans can't into space. Too much effort for basically no gain. I really don't understand how people are buying into Musk's colonies on Mars or the Moon. We can't even put people for long periods of time on our own planet in Antarctica and it's a much less hostile environment. | ||
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Billyboy
2627 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18005 Posts
On May 23 2026 22:43 Billyboy wrote: Nothing is more JimmyJRaynor than saying “here is a logical explanation “ and going into how the moon landing is fake and that’s why there is a giant conspiracy for Elon….. did you read? Elon did not invent massive levels of corruption. Its always been around. Nothing is going on "for Elon". he is a cog in a machine that has been grinding away for centuries. i agree with the original post about elon that i replied to. these moves are super shadey. | ||
micronesia
United States24805 Posts
On May 23 2026 22:33 Manit0u wrote: I really don't understand how people are buying into Musk's... Perhaps you have not been paying attention?  | ||
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Billyboy
2627 Posts
On May 23 2026 22:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i'd like to add to my gold/wealth preservation scenario. so from 1945 to 1985. The late 70s//early 80s where it was very difficult to buy gold are also the years when US unemployment nearly DOUBLED. it went from 5.8% to 10.8%. This is the ideal time to spend some of your long term gold savings... when the economy is at its worst. When you could be in a very tough spot. did you read? Elon did not invent massive levels of corruption. It’s always been around. Nothing is going on "for Elon". he is a cog in a machine that has been grinding away for centuries. i agree with the original post about elon that i replied to. these moves are super shadey. Yes, I read it. It was very your logic. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18005 Posts
i'm one of those "put 20% of your savings into precious metals" radicals. | ||
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KwarK
United States44400 Posts
On May 23 2026 18:19 Simberto wrote: I have no idea about the market for single-direction time machines in 300 years. Considering i invented one now, maybe everyone has one at that point, and it is as valuable as a household toaster is today. Yours is an antique one though. | ||
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KwarK
United States44400 Posts
On May 23 2026 23:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i'm one of those "put 20% of your savings into precious metals" radicals. Nobody said it wasn’t a strategy. The issue was asserting a volatile asset class is used for wealth preservation. FE into corsair is definitely a strategy, it’s just not a PvP strategy. | ||
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Vivax
22424 Posts
On May 23 2026 22:56 micronesia wrote: Perhaps you have not been paying attention? When you have so much money it becomes a positive feedback loop. You buy a bunch, he buys his own, more buy his etc. The infineon move is crazy. + Show Spoiler + Some guys aren't content with just being rich and good in an industrial sector, they got to have their fingers everywhere else too. Nobody wants billionaires in politics or worse, turning into international boogeymen. | ||
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Geiko
France2049 Posts
On May 23 2026 21:10 JimmyJRaynor wrote: you bring up good points. i'll respond below. here is how you use gold. i'll take a worse case scenario. you retired in 1985 just as the bear market for gold began. you died in 2005 just as that long, unusual bear market for gold ended. Ok , its 1945 and you're an electrical engineer making $3750/year. Buying 20 ounces of gold per year is realistic/viable. From 1945 to 1985 the only years it is difficult for this electrical engineer to buy 20 oz. of gold would've been 1979/1980. So let's pretend you did not buy gold during those 2 years. That gold, in 1985 has a current value of: $268,000 . You cash in say, $10,000 in gold each year during retirement and leave your surviving family with 208 ounces of gold or $107,000 in Gold in 2005. A nice 2 bedroom apartment in 1985 in upstate New York is $400/month. So your gold money pays your rent easily ... assuming you lost your house to your crazy ex-wife. Even with gold declining every year for 15 straight years you still have rent money for 55+ years. Maybe there are cases more worse than this... this situation for your gold savings is pretty bad and it still works great. This is the bog-standard, cookie-cutter, wealth preservation strategy recommended by financial planners the world over. You can walk into any major bank in Canada or the USA and get this type of wealth preservation advice. I'm not splitting the atom here. This is straight out of ChatGPT or Myron or Claude or whatever name these AIs are these days. the whole world is a lie. and this is nothing new... its been this way forever. Elon Musk did not invent mass levels of corruption. He is being allowed to get away with a lot. The question is .. .why him? + Show Spoiler + Here is a possible logical explanation keeping in mind that the whole world is a lie... Elon knows the moon landings were fake and he knows how to prove it to the general public. So the families running the world, the british royals are one such family, let him do all kinds of crazy shady things. its hilarious that the only 2 times humans have managed to go out of low earth orbit it was under the presidencies of Richard Nixon and Donald Trump. Your electrical engineer would have also preserved his wealth quite nicely if he had just invested in the S&P 500 or if he had bought bonds ? What is the point you're trying to make ? | ||
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Simberto
Germany12061 Posts
No, sadly not even that, it is a three-days old replica of an antique time machine. You can easily use any dating mechanism. Truly, one-way time travel is really not a good investment. | ||
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Billyboy
2627 Posts
On May 23 2026 23:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i'm one of those "put 20% of your savings into precious metals" radicals. You do know, my comment had nothing to do with that right? Like you understand that much? | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6325 Posts
On May 23 2026 05:21 Yurie wrote: So I have read a bit about the SpaceX IPO and how they have changed the Nasdaq rules to rip off index savers via forcing it into their portfolio at a price higher than its valuation. Targeting the highest ever IPO while making an annual loss as I understand the core basics of the company. Would people suggest selling off Index funds a week or two after the IPO just before Space X stocks are being bought and then buy in again a month or two later as the stock price has crashed? Or does people think this will be another Gamestop/Tesla moment where the stock goes even more irrationally high? If SpaceX is so obviously mispriced as you think it is it won't take the 15 day waiting period to be included in the nasdaq 100 for the price to adjust. I'm not convinced at all that the price will crash. The comparisons with Gamestop and Tesla don't make sense. Gamestop is a meme. Tesla is in an industry that has established competitors and electric cars are less complex than ICE cars lowering barriers to entry. SpaceX on the other hand is in an industry with barriers to entry so high that only governments were able to enter. It's practically a monopoly right now and there won't be many competitors in the future either. The downsides of SpaceX are xAI and the amount of voting rights Musk gets so it's impossible to get rid of him. Selling the index and buying it back would not be a good way to short the stock. The vast majority of the index is composed of stocks other than SpaceX. It won't be large enough to move the index significantly and you'll lose out on the returns of the rest of the index. For a retail investor the only real way to short if you don't already own the stock is via derivatives like futures or options. Derivatives can be very risky if you don't understand how they work though. If you really want to short I'd buy put options since the maximum loss is the premium you pay for the option. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18485 Posts
On May 24 2026 06:15 Simberto wrote: No, sadly not even that, it is a three-days old replica of an antique time machine. You can easily use any dating mechanism. Truly, one-way time travel is really not a good investment. So build two time machines and hide one, together with your gold. Oh, and an assortment of contemporary coins. | ||
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Yurie
12178 Posts
On May 24 2026 16:32 RvB wrote: If SpaceX is so obviously mispriced as you think it is it won't take the 15 day waiting period to be included in the nasdaq 100 for the price to adjust. I'm not convinced at all that the price will crash. The comparisons with Gamestop and Tesla don't make sense. Gamestop is a meme. Tesla is in an industry that has established competitors and electric cars are less complex than ICE cars lowering barriers to entry. SpaceX on the other hand is in an industry with barriers to entry so high that only governments were able to enter. It's practically a monopoly right now and there won't be many competitors in the future either. The downsides of SpaceX are xAI and the amount of voting rights Musk gets so it's impossible to get rid of him. Selling the index and buying it back would not be a good way to short the stock. The vast majority of the index is composed of stocks other than SpaceX. It won't be large enough to move the index significantly and you'll lose out on the returns of the rest of the index. For a retail investor the only real way to short if you don't already own the stock is via derivatives like futures or options. Derivatives can be very risky if you don't understand how they work though. If you really want to short I'd buy put options since the maximum loss is the premium you pay for the option. xAI and Musk are two big downsides. Especially xAI that burns all of SpaceX profit and then a bit more. Musk also has no plans on killing xAI so it will keep burning money. SpaceX without xAI is a solid company I would be fine with. xAI loses the company money and is somehow responsible for 50%+ of its valuation. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria902 Posts
On May 26 2026 05:25 Yurie wrote: xAI and Musk are two big downsides. Especially xAI that burns all of SpaceX profit and then a bit more. Musk also has no plans on killing xAI so it will keep burning money. SpaceX without xAI is a solid company I would be fine with. xAI loses the company money and is somehow responsible for 50%+ of its valuation. AI says SpaceX would be between 0.47% - 0.70% of Nasdaq-100's weight. I wouldn't worry too much, there are far more speculative stocks which went too high too fast (e.g. Sandisk, Micron, etc). Good companies, terrible prices in my opinion or at least high chance of correction. Edit: Gemini's math was way off.. it's actually closer to 4.17% of Nasdaq-100. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18005 Posts
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