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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7297 Posts
July 22 2021 06:18 GMT
#981
Fuckin' cowards, can't even properly own up to their shit, too busy being pissed off that their absurdly disgusting is being outed.

God its been hard to be a Blizzard fan for a while now and I think this officially makes it impossible for me.

Reading the documentation on this stuff is utterly nauseating. Stuff coming out on twitter is also horrifying.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25216 Posts
July 22 2021 14:21 GMT
#982
Aside from reputational damage what’s the worst that can happen to Blizzard here? I’m assuming some heads will roll, but my understanding is a combo of fines and them demonstrating they’ve got their shit together moving forward is sort of the limit of the state’s power in this case?

Any links to the Twitter threads you’re referring to Zambrah?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-22 15:00:28
July 22 2021 14:28 GMT
#983
On July 22 2021 23:21 WombaT wrote:
Any links to the Twitter threads you’re referring to Zambrah?


This reddit post has all the verified links

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/op1t7m/activision_blizzard_sued_by_california_over_frat/h62n78j/
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 22 2021 21:44 GMT
#984




"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 07 2021 01:25 GMT
#985
Never seen a company move this fast, ever.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
supoltan
Profile Joined September 2021
United Kingdom1 Post
September 09 2021 21:00 GMT
#986
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yardlypaul1
Profile Joined September 2021
1 Post
Last Edited: 2021-09-11 11:23:03
September 11 2021 11:21 GMT
#987
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16699 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 00:47:46
July 01 2022 00:44 GMT
#988
Creative Director of Blizzard, Rob Pardo left in 2014. As soon as his non-compete clause expired he formed Bonfire Studios and announced its opening in September 2016.

We are coming up on 6 years and zero games have been made. Not even a single piece of concept art released about a future game. No news of any kind about any future game.

How long can the studio continue with no revenue? The longer they go and the more money they borrow the more beholden they are to their financial benefactors.

I'd love to get a job at Bonfire. I can spend a year discussing the philosophy of game making with the staff. We'll have meetings and discussions... dialogue... focus groups. Powerpoint slide presentations. it'll be great. I can do all that stuff. I want to be in charge of "company culture". Just don't ask me to make a game.
On July 22 2021 15:18 Zambrah wrote:
Fuckin' cowards, can't even properly own up to their shit, too busy being pissed off that their absurdly disgusting is being outed.
God its been hard to be a Blizzard fan for a while now and I think this officially makes it impossible for me.
Reading the documentation on this stuff is utterly nauseating. Stuff coming out on twitter is also horrifying.

I don't think its all that clear cut. The investigative lead, Jeanette Whipper, got canned. Two of the people under her got moved off the case due to conflict of interest rules. I'm not sure how much hard evidence there is.

There is hard evidence California's DFEH messed up big time though.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6924 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-01 10:56:16
July 01 2022 10:09 GMT
#989
On July 01 2022 09:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Creative Director of Blizzard, Rob Pardo left in 2014. As soon as his non-compete clause expired he formed Bonfire Studios and announced its opening in September 2016.

We are coming up on 6 years and zero games have been made. Not even a single piece of concept art released about a future game. No news of any kind about any future game.

How long can the studio continue with no revenue? The longer they go and the more money they borrow the more beholden they are to their financial benefactors.

I'd love to get a job at Bonfire. I can spend a year discussing the philosophy of game making with the staff. We'll have meetings and discussions... dialogue... focus groups. Powerpoint slide presentations. it'll be great. I can do all that stuff. I want to be in charge of "company culture". Just don't ask me to make a game.
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2021 15:18 Zambrah wrote:
Fuckin' cowards, can't even properly own up to their shit, too busy being pissed off that their absurdly disgusting is being outed.
God its been hard to be a Blizzard fan for a while now and I think this officially makes it impossible for me.
Reading the documentation on this stuff is utterly nauseating. Stuff coming out on twitter is also horrifying.

I don't think its all that clear cut. The investigative lead, Jeanette Whipper, got canned. Two of the people under her got moved off the case due to conflict of interest rules. I'm not sure how much hard evidence there is.

There is hard evidence California's DFEH messed up big time though.


They are financed by Riot Games so money shouldn't be an issue
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16699 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-04 17:31:28
July 04 2022 17:14 GMT
#990
it becomes an issue the longer they go without making a game.

Investor lawsuit dropped.
https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/investor-lawsuit-against-activision-blizzard-dropped-over-lack-of-evidence-3210263

DFEH keeps on trying to interfere with the EEOC. its an opt-in deal it does not bind any one to anything. The DFEH's shenanigans means this will drag on for years. The 9th circuit case is in 2023.


Hard to take the Wall Street Journal's reporter who claims "KOtick knew" seriously .... when she makes colossal fuck ups like this.

https://nyweekly.com/us/berkshire-hathaway-bought-activision-blizzard-shares-before-microsoft-acquisition/

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/warren-buffett-berkshire-hathaway-unaware-microsoft-takeover-activision-blizzard-stock-2022-2

If you're going to accuse a guy like Buffet of committing a crime.... you damn better have your facts straight.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 07 2022 12:20 GMT
#991
Staff at Activision Blizzard are planning a walkout next month, in light of the "recent attacks on the civil liberties of [its] employees".

"We are calling for protection of several communities of marginalised workers. Employees are actively facing state legislation that is putting women, LGBTQ+ employees, and their families at risk, with other vulnerable groups on the horizon," wrote works group ABetterABK via Twitter.

"Our walk-out demands focus on the protections of ABK employees from external threats like the recent overturn of Roe v Wade, and internal threats such as retaliation and harassment while in the workplace."

The account went on to state that the current healthcare policies in place at Activision Blizzard "do not adequately protect" its staff.

"The presently offered $4000 reimbursements for out of state medical care currently leave employees open to legal prosecution in their home state. Travel reimbursements do not remove workers from imminent danger.

"Our demands ensure that our workers safely, affordably, and legally maintain access to life saving procedures like abortions and trans-affirming healthcare."

A list of demands includes the option for staff to choose to work remotely from a location where they are able to access the healthcare they need, and without discrimination from any anti-LGBTQ+ rights.

The ABetterABK account went on to say that staff had previously tried to address issues surrounding the healthcare provided but have over the last year found their concerns "dismissed" by management.

The walkout is set for 21st July.

Activision Blizzard has made the headlines frequently following numerous reports of employee misconduct and toxic workplace conditions.

Meanwhile, in January of this year, Microsoft announced its plans to buy the Call of Duty and World of Warcraft maker in a deal worth $68.7bn.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16699 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-07 22:06:56
July 07 2022 22:06 GMT
#992
Sony revokes its movies purchased by its users as of August 31,2022. The terms and conditions state you are required to destroy any downloaded copies you made of the movies while you owned the temporary revocable license.LOL.

Here is a deep dive into the issue.
in the sony terms of service they redefine words like "buy", "own" and "purchase".
George Orwell and Aldous Huxley would be proud.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
July 08 2022 11:09 GMT
#993
On July 08 2022 07:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Sony revokes its movies purchased by its users as of August 31,2022. The terms and conditions state you are required to destroy any downloaded copies you made of the movies while you owned the temporary revocable license.LOL.

Here is a deep dive into the issue.
in the sony terms of service they redefine words like "buy", "own" and "purchase".
George Orwell and Aldous Huxley would be proud.


Pretty interesting stuff, especially the ammount of misdirection around actual ownership like you say.

I often question the whole ToS paradigm itself, where consumers of ANY digital good are presented a mountain of text that is purpusefully dense and full of legalese so that no one actually reads. Sure, SOME legal groundwork needs to exist, but there should be better way to do it than current ToS.
Bora Pain minha porra!
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16699 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-06-01 05:45:38
June 01 2023 05:44 GMT
#994
On July 01 2022 19:09 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2022 09:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Creative Director of Blizzard, Rob Pardo left in 2014. As soon as his non-compete clause expired he formed Bonfire Studios and announced its opening in September 2016.

We are coming up on 6 years and zero games have been made. Not even a single piece of concept art released about a future game. No news of any kind about any future game.

How long can the studio continue with no revenue? The longer they go and the more money they borrow the more beholden they are to their financial benefactors.

I'd love to get a job at Bonfire. I can spend a year discussing the philosophy of game making with the staff. We'll have meetings and discussions... dialogue... focus groups. Powerpoint slide presentations. it'll be great. I can do all that stuff. I want to be in charge of "company culture". Just don't ask me to make a game.
On July 22 2021 15:18 Zambrah wrote:
Fuckin' cowards, can't even properly own up to their shit, too busy being pissed off that their absurdly disgusting is being outed.
God its been hard to be a Blizzard fan for a while now and I think this officially makes it impossible for me.
Reading the documentation on this stuff is utterly nauseating. Stuff coming out on twitter is also horrifying.

I don't think its all that clear cut. The investigative lead, Jeanette Whipper, got canned. Two of the people under her got moved off the case due to conflict of interest rules. I'm not sure how much hard evidence there is.

There is hard evidence California's DFEH messed up big time though.


They are financed by Riot Games so money shouldn't be an issue

watching Bonfire Studios make nothing is like "Waiting for Godot" except it is happening in reality and not some post modern bizarro world existential drivel.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
cha0
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada504 Posts
June 01 2023 12:40 GMT
#995
On June 01 2023 14:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2022 19:09 Harris1st wrote:
On July 01 2022 09:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Creative Director of Blizzard, Rob Pardo left in 2014. As soon as his non-compete clause expired he formed Bonfire Studios and announced its opening in September 2016.

We are coming up on 6 years and zero games have been made. Not even a single piece of concept art released about a future game. No news of any kind about any future game.

How long can the studio continue with no revenue? The longer they go and the more money they borrow the more beholden they are to their financial benefactors.

I'd love to get a job at Bonfire. I can spend a year discussing the philosophy of game making with the staff. We'll have meetings and discussions... dialogue... focus groups. Powerpoint slide presentations. it'll be great. I can do all that stuff. I want to be in charge of "company culture". Just don't ask me to make a game.
On July 22 2021 15:18 Zambrah wrote:
Fuckin' cowards, can't even properly own up to their shit, too busy being pissed off that their absurdly disgusting is being outed.
God its been hard to be a Blizzard fan for a while now and I think this officially makes it impossible for me.
Reading the documentation on this stuff is utterly nauseating. Stuff coming out on twitter is also horrifying.

I don't think its all that clear cut. The investigative lead, Jeanette Whipper, got canned. Two of the people under her got moved off the case due to conflict of interest rules. I'm not sure how much hard evidence there is.

There is hard evidence California's DFEH messed up big time though.


They are financed by Riot Games so money shouldn't be an issue

watching Bonfire Studios make nothing is like "Waiting for Godot" except it is happening in reality and not some post modern bizarro world existential drivel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvnA8Vtf3rA


Lol what did these guys do to you to make you hate them so much? Did you try to get a job with at one of these studios at some point and they turned you down?
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7297 Posts
June 01 2023 13:29 GMT
#996
Heres someone worth hating saying insane bullshit because hes a sociopathic monster!

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/kotick-blames-scandals-on-a-very-aggressive-labor-movement

Activision Blizzard CEO Bobby Kotick believes the company's image problems stem not from a workplace culture that spawned numerous gender discrimination lawsuits from former employees and state and federal agencies alike, but from "outside forces" and unionization supporters.

"We've had every possible form of investigation done," Kotick said. "And we did not have a systemic issue with harassment — ever. We didn't have any of what were mischaracterizations reported in the media. But what we did have was a very aggressive labor movement working hard to try and destabilize the company."


Some conspiracy theory bullshit.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 01 2023 13:48 GMT
#997
He's a lunatic. One would think one of the PR people that had to have read that would have recommended not saying such things. Never mind the fact that this interview was posted the day before a well known, but still damaged, IP is set to launch.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7297 Posts
June 01 2023 14:11 GMT
#998
I dunno, I ascribe a certain like, lack of cognitive ability to control ones self to lunatics, Bobby Kotick just strikes me more as being high on the spectrum of what makes humans evil.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 01 2023 21:05 GMT
#999
Look even Asmon is calling BS on this piece. I mean... if you lose Asmon, who is one of the most egotistical streamers out there, then game over. Stop talking.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16699 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-06-03 05:43:55
June 03 2023 05:16 GMT
#1000
On June 01 2023 21:40 cha0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2023 14:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On July 01 2022 19:09 Harris1st wrote:
On July 01 2022 09:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Creative Director of Blizzard, Rob Pardo left in 2014. As soon as his non-compete clause expired he formed Bonfire Studios and announced its opening in September 2016.

We are coming up on 6 years and zero games have been made. Not even a single piece of concept art released about a future game. No news of any kind about any future game.

How long can the studio continue with no revenue? The longer they go and the more money they borrow the more beholden they are to their financial benefactors.

I'd love to get a job at Bonfire. I can spend a year discussing the philosophy of game making with the staff. We'll have meetings and discussions... dialogue... focus groups. Powerpoint slide presentations. it'll be great. I can do all that stuff. I want to be in charge of "company culture". Just don't ask me to make a game.
On July 22 2021 15:18 Zambrah wrote:
Fuckin' cowards, can't even properly own up to their shit, too busy being pissed off that their absurdly disgusting is being outed.
God its been hard to be a Blizzard fan for a while now and I think this officially makes it impossible for me.
Reading the documentation on this stuff is utterly nauseating. Stuff coming out on twitter is also horrifying.

I don't think its all that clear cut. The investigative lead, Jeanette Whipper, got canned. Two of the people under her got moved off the case due to conflict of interest rules. I'm not sure how much hard evidence there is.

There is hard evidence California's DFEH messed up big time though.


They are financed by Riot Games so money shouldn't be an issue

watching Bonfire Studios make nothing is like "Waiting for Godot" except it is happening in reality and not some post modern bizarro world existential drivel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvnA8Vtf3rA


Lol what did these guys do to you to make you hate them so much? Did you try to get a job with at one of these studios at some point and they turned you down?

i'm laughing not angry. good to see you laughing as well. Bonfire Games is theatre of the absurd. I must say, ATVI did an impressive job getting great productivity out of Rob Pardo.
On June 01 2023 22:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
He's a lunatic. One would think one of the PR people that had to have read that would have recommended not saying such things. Never mind the fact that this interview was posted the day before a well known, but still damaged, IP is set to launch.

nah, i don't think he is mentally ill. i think he is over 65 and his career is winding down. he had a great run.
On June 01 2023 22:29 Zambrah wrote:
Heres someone worth hating saying insane bullshit because hes a sociopathic monster!

the financial guy always takes the hits for the creative guy. the financial guy is always seen as the "bad cop" and the creative guy who makes the super-cool software is the "good cop". It is a paradigm that has been going on since 1979 when Activision was born. The "good guys" were David Crane, Bob Whitehead and the other creatives. No one gets inspired by the legal and accounting teams doing all the admin work in the background. Everyone gets inspired when David Crane can make a game like Pitfall for a Console with incredibly limited power.

Kotick wants people focusing their anger on him and not the creatives who work for him. This is why he said many years ago... "i am going to take the fun out of making video games". He wants the spotlight on him so his creatives have the latitude and freedom that anonymity brings. Kotick is just playing a role. You believing it is real is just playing into Kotick's choreographed game.

Kotick's yapping is basically a pro wrestling promotional interview.
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