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On August 24 2018 19:43 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yeah but you can't write that. You end up writing something bland like "service sector front facing job dealing with customer complaints". These manual labour and service sector jobs are virtually useless on a CV to anyone expecting to go into further education. All the ones with contacts or go to well connected schools end up doing "work experience" in office work or hospitals or suchlike where they can pad out their CV or whatever it is called nowadays. Paid manual labour or washing dishes are trash jobs. Everything is a life experience. Every job teaches you what work is, or at least what that job is, and the strange reverance some of you have for manual labour I wonder, if it applies to just men or extends to women. They are jobs people romanticise precisely becuase they don't have to do it any longer than a few moments in their lifes.
I don't think you can call this 'romanticizing' anything. There are benefits and things you learn from even the shittiest of jobs that don't come under the bracket of 'general life experience'. The experience I learned working in kitchens has transferred across nicely to my current job in a chemistry lab, which is more complex, involved work. Loads of the staff here have worked in kitchens and it shows through the way the team works together. Would I go and wash pots now? Would I bollocks. It doesn't mean I can't look back and see that I learned specific skills doing that job - as opposed to other shitty manual jobs - that I am still using.
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So should the federal government or state government sponsor work for teens? Or should everyone just go in their own directions? What woukd be some specific outcomes you would like to see achieved? Is it to turn out more vocational/trade skilled workers? Or just to instill some hard work and discipline?
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One year of mandatory post high school civil service in which individuals relocate to a differential part of the US and work on federal or state infrastructure projects, primarily in the areas of transportation, healthcare, and public services a la libraries, parks, and urban centers.
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On August 24 2018 22:32 farvacola wrote:
One year of mandatory post high school civil service in which individuals relocate to a differential part of the US and work on federal or state infrastructure projects, primarily in the areas of transportation, healthcare, and public services a la libraries, parks, and urban centers.
This would be a huge boon to the country and our education system at large. But that mandatory part is the thing that will assure it will never happen.
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On August 24 2018 22:38 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 22:32 farvacola wrote:
One year of mandatory post high school civil service in which individuals relocate to a differential part of the US and work on federal or state infrastructure projects, primarily in the areas of transportation, healthcare, and public services a la libraries, parks, and urban centers. This would be a huge boon to the country and our education system at large. But that mandatory part is the thing that will assure it will never happen.
"If you do this, you get 2 years or college education" would be a good day to make it "soft mandatory". Not mandatory, but you'd be an idiot not to do it.
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Sure, finagling the details in the interest of incentives and making sure that folks with diverse work skill sets have options too would be part of the deal. Someone physically unable to perform manual labor could instead do circulation work at a library or benefits desk work at a local SSA field office or state benefits agency. There are places for pretty much everyone to contribute in some way.
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On August 24 2018 22:32 farvacola wrote:
One year of mandatory post high school civil service in which individuals relocate to a differential part of the US and work on federal or state infrastructure projects, primarily in the areas of transportation, healthcare, and public services a la libraries, parks, and urban centers.
I wouldn't limit it to after high school graduation. If, within four years of you entering high school, you complete a full calendar year of civil service, then you get tuition. Otherwise, you may as well make it through Peace Corps.
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Sure, give "good" students the option to pursue work through the program like a post-secondary kind of thing. You could also integrate trade skills and turn some portion of it into a jobs pipeline that sets folks up with a career by the time they finish high school or shortly thereafter.
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On August 24 2018 22:46 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2018 22:38 Plansix wrote:On August 24 2018 22:32 farvacola wrote:
One year of mandatory post high school civil service in which individuals relocate to a differential part of the US and work on federal or state infrastructure projects, primarily in the areas of transportation, healthcare, and public services a la libraries, parks, and urban centers. This would be a huge boon to the country and our education system at large. But that mandatory part is the thing that will assure it will never happen. "If you do this, you get 2 years or college education" would be a good day to make it "soft mandatory". Not mandatory, but you'd be an idiot not to do it.
This sounds like the evul governments overreaching into people's lives. And probably expensive. To the conservatives who do read the thread, would this sort of program be welcome in your eyes?
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Now that we have some ideas, who would be best to champion said ideas? Who do you think, and why, could get bipartisan support on this and where would the battle take place?
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Once I get a solid decade or so of attorney work in, I'll do it :D
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On August 24 2018 22:32 farvacola wrote:
One year of mandatory post high school civil service in which individuals relocate to a differential part of the US and work on federal or state infrastructure projects, primarily in the areas of transportation, healthcare, and public services a la libraries, parks, and urban centers.
Reminds me of this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zivildienst_in_Austria
I’m in favor of it, honestly it would have been good for a lot of 18y/o’s I’ve known,including myself.
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Sounds authoritarian. Who would want to work for free? Isn't forced labour that against the ideas of capitalism, freedom and liberty? As for integrating trade skills into a jobs pipeline, isn't that just socialism, European style? You know, free education to enter the workplace? Normally the "conservatives" are against that, but I guess if you sell it as mandatory authoritarianism, they are all over it.
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No one said anyone would be working for free and the details of how we would incentivize participation aside from simply making the program mandatory are very much up in the air. Mohdoo's college funding idea is just one example.
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I dislike the college fund idea. It basically just becomes mandatory for everyone but the rich.
Just make it a straight mandatory like other countries. 2 years in the military or 2 years civil service at 18. No way out except for medical exemption
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a fair number of countries (south korea, taiwan, singapore) have mandatory military service, which is kind of similar. a lot of it is just holding down a job, or doing public works stuff. i had a friend who couldn't do regular duty because of a disability and he just taught kids.
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On August 25 2018 00:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
a fair number of countries (south korea, taiwan, singapore) have mandatory military service, which is kind of similar. a lot of it is just holding down a job, or doing public works stuff. i had a friend who couldn't do regular duty because of a disability and he just taught kids.
Yeah, but we got rid of the draft and nobody is jumping to get it back.
Doing it in the German way, with civil service as an option instead of the military is far more palatable. And to make it palatable to conservatives you could link a tax exemption to it.
In fact, you should add a tax, the "Freedom Tax". The price you pay for being free from government meddling in your business. And then you exempt that lifelong for a year of military or civil service  In fact, that drives home an important lesson too. You can be free from taxes, or you can be free from doing stuff for your country. You cannot be free from both.
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On August 25 2018 00:14 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2018 00:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
a fair number of countries (south korea, taiwan, singapore) have mandatory military service, which is kind of similar. a lot of it is just holding down a job, or doing public works stuff. i had a friend who couldn't do regular duty because of a disability and he just taught kids. Yeah, but we got rid of the draft and nobody is jumping to get it back. Doing it in the German way, with civil service as an option instead of the military is far more palatable. And to make it palatable to conservatives you could link a tax exemption to it. In fact, you should add a tax, the "Freedom Tax". The price you pay for being free from government meddling in your business. And then you exempt that lifelong for a year of military or civil service In fact, that drives home an important lesson too. You can be free from taxes, or you can be free from doing stuff for your country. You cannot be free from both.
You could call it something like the Freedom Under Compulsory Kindness Yearlong Overwhelming Unity act
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