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On September 13 2025 04:25 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2025 04:16 LightSpectra wrote:On September 13 2025 04:09 oBlade wrote:
The world is not a computer program you vote for. Humans have agency. If someone deliberately ran over your family with a truck, to murder them specifically, you didn't ask for it by being against banning cars. You should have understood from the bridge analogy already. The policy view of how we organize our society does not give any single person any carte blanche to do something evil that we also already decided is illegal and punishable by death in some cases. As a corollary it's not that person's fault and they didn't deserve it, the family didn't ask to get run over by being on the sidewalk. Great analogy, because (non-rightwing) legislators, car designers, traffic engineers, etc. have put in a lot of work and research into making cars and streets less dangerous and more regulated so there's less needless deaths. Meanwhile, right-wing legislators proudly wear rifle pins after school shootings to show their solidarity with the shooters. I don't think I've seen a policy "proposal" from a Democrat in the last 10 years after any school shooting that would have even stopped the immediately preceding tragedy. They simply have no conception of reality for some reason. Take the CK case, the guy was an adult over the age of majority, and over the first age of fake majority for drinking (21), although not over the second age of fake majority for renting cars (25), had all the background in guns, and used basically the most ubiquitous and unbannable kind of weapon that isn't a musket: a bolt-action rifle. Any "gun control" proposal there is immediately met with: can't vacuum 500 million guns that are at least as advanced as a bolt-action rifle if you wanted. Try people control. Show nested quote +On September 13 2025 04:16 LightSpectra wrote:
Love how much your tone has changed since yesterday btw. From "the deranged left" to "humans have agency" I would never imply that derangement absolves one of responsibility.Show nested quote +On September 13 2025 04:16 LightSpectra wrote:
since discovering the shooter was a Trump donor. Source buddy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack
One could argue that Americans love to empower dangerous derangement.
Maybe the shooter will be pardoned and become governor.
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Please delete if it's not okay to post conjecture as such. But we have a tweet from a journalist stating that the killer was far-right:
https://x.com/DavidShuster/status/1966576856515203480
It will be very interesting to see how this develops (assuming this journalist isn't full of it, but judging by their Wikipedia page they are respected)
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On September 13 2025 04:09 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2025 04:02 LightSpectra wrote:On September 13 2025 04:01 BlackJack wrote:On September 13 2025 03:57 LightSpectra wrote:On September 13 2025 03:50 BlackJack wrote:On September 12 2025 21:34 Uldridge wrote:On September 12 2025 21:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 12 2025 21:12 Razyda wrote:On September 12 2025 19:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I recently heard the following take on Charlie Kirk's assassination: "I don't support what happened to Charlie, but Charlie would have supported what happened to Charlie". I think that's a fair point. I think thats blatantly dishonest take. Supporting 2nd amendment doesnt mean you supporting shooting people. Kirk said that annual gun deaths are worth the cost to keep the 2nd amendment: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-gun-deaths-quote/ And that's certainly a view that Kirk was allowed to have, but then his death - just like the other gun deaths that happen this year - are simply part of the price that Kirk found acceptable to pay, to ensure the 2nd amendment. That's completely disingenuous. He's probably not talking about cold blooded assassinations, but talking about accidents and self defense and these kinds of things instead. Stoking the flames is the best idea. We need to find a loophole to simmer down the right wing rhetoric, not stoke the flames with them. Yes and no. He is actually talking about ALL gun related deaths. It's also the same mental calculus that every country that allows its citizens to have guns has concluded. It would be pretty idiotic to conclude that you're okay with people having guns but not if people will be killed by guns because you can't have one without the other. It's the same mental calculus we do for everything. Medications we develop will have side effects that kill some people. Tall bridges we build will inevitably have some bridge jumpers that kill themselves. Junk food we allow companies to sell will lead to obesity and diabetes and death. Everything has risk and with large enough numbers, many deaths. I don't particularly agree with pro-2A gun nuts mental calculus that the cost in human lives is worth it so mentally unstable people can have weapons of war, but it's obviously disingenuous to say they "support" gun suicide/homicide any more than I "support" bridge jumpers killing themselves because I want to cross the bay by car. But I'm also well beyond expecting people to critically think about the shit they copy/paste off bluesky or reddit so there's that. "Some people dying is OK if the alternative is no gun rights" is not an unreasonable view. The unreasonable view is "Republicans can't be the 'some people dying,' we meant YOUR kids dying is acceptable". "YOUR kids" Again, try to apply 5 seconds of critical thinking. Roughly half the kids that attend public schools have Republican parents. Do you think mass shooters know which kids to avoid shooting? Sure, but why flip a raging shit when someone shoots at Charlie Kirk or Donald Trump or some other far-right figures then? You voted for a world with unrestricted gun rights and random deaths, don't pop a pudding because you got it. I think the people filled with rage here are the ones that were happy when Kirk got shot.@Gorsameth, I already said in my post I don't agree with the gun nut mental calculus. Not really interested in a gun control debate that we're probably on the same side on.
Can you elaborate on this? Why are happy people the ones who are truly filled with rage? Wouldn't they be pretty low on the anger scale, especially compared to all the people who were immediately screaming for violent retaliation (against the wrong group, apparently... it seems as if the main suspect doesn't have a specific party affiliation - although I'm sure we'll learn more about him in the coming days - so getting even with Democrats by pushing the idea of killing them back doesn't really make much sense)?
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On September 13 2025 04:53 GoShox wrote:Please delete if it's not okay to post conjecture as such. But we have a tweet from a journalist stating that the killer was far-right: https://x.com/DavidShuster/status/1966576856515203480It will be very interesting to see how this develops (assuming this journalist isn't full of it, but judging by their Wikipedia page they are respected)
Spreading speculation without evidence in an attempt to direct blame at the other side is honestly the best way to honour Kirk's life and legacy.
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Cox: ‘Social media is a cancer on our society right now’
Utah Gov. Spencer Cox (R) on Friday urged people to turn away from social media, calling it a “cancer on our society” after announcing that the suspected gunman in the killing of Charlie Kirk is in custody.
At the end of his press conference announcing 22-year-old Tyler Robinson as the suspected gunman in the shooting at Utah Valley University, Cox urged people to log off of social media, citing the violent imagery that proliferates through the medium.
“We are not wired as human beings — biologically, historically — we have not evolved in a way that we are capable of processing those types of violent imagery. And by the way, we’ve seen another one with a gruesome stabbing very recently that went viral. This is not good for us. It is not good to consume,” said Cox, referring to the fatal stabbing of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in North Carolina earlier this month.
“Social media is a cancer on our society right now,” he added. “I would encourage people to log off, turn off, touch grass, hug a family member, go out and do good in your community.”
During the conference, Cox referenced similar remarks about social media that Kirk had made on the platform X in June.
“When things are moving very fast and people are losing their minds, it’s important to stay grounded. Turn off your phone, read scripture, spend time with friends, and remember internet fury is not real life. It’s going to be ok,” Kirk wrote.
The governor said society has a chance to decide where it will go in this moment, to either “escalate” or “find an off-ramp.”
maybe not all is lost for some Republicans and the pain of this tragedy gives them a bit of clarity. if that were to become the default position across the board... that would be great.
as Trump and company worked really hard to get platforms to kill fact checkers and have the tech bros bend over backwards to kill any moderation to let "freedom reign" to be as idiotic, racist and hateful as humanly possible, it's not very likely.
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On September 13 2025 05:56 Doublemint wrote:Cox: ‘Social media is a cancer on our society right now’Show nested quote +Utah Gov. Spencer Cox (R) on Friday urged people to turn away from social media, calling it a “cancer on our society” after announcing that the suspected gunman in the killing of Charlie Kirk is in custody.
At the end of his press conference announcing 22-year-old Tyler Robinson as the suspected gunman in the shooting at Utah Valley University, Cox urged people to log off of social media, citing the violent imagery that proliferates through the medium.
“We are not wired as human beings — biologically, historically — we have not evolved in a way that we are capable of processing those types of violent imagery. And by the way, we’ve seen another one with a gruesome stabbing very recently that went viral. This is not good for us. It is not good to consume,” said Cox, referring to the fatal stabbing of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in North Carolina earlier this month.
“Social media is a cancer on our society right now,” he added. “I would encourage people to log off, turn off, touch grass, hug a family member, go out and do good in your community.”
During the conference, Cox referenced similar remarks about social media that Kirk had made on the platform X in June.
“When things are moving very fast and people are losing their minds, it’s important to stay grounded. Turn off your phone, read scripture, spend time with friends, and remember internet fury is not real life. It’s going to be ok,” Kirk wrote.
The governor said society has a chance to decide where it will go in this moment, to either “escalate” or “find an off-ramp.” maybe not all is lost for some Republicans and the pain of this tragedy gives them a bit of clarity. if that were to become the default position across the board... that would be great. as Trump and company worked really hard to get platforms to kill fact checkers and have the tech bros bend over backwards to kill any moderation to let "freedom reign" to be as idiotic, racist and hateful as humanly possible, it's not very likely.
There will be no reflection or clarity. Itll be forgotten by the end of next week since it was likely an alt right white guy who shot him.
Theres no reflection with the ghouls running the show
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The suggestion that people stop reading news, stop worrying on outraging things their government does, disconnect from anything outside their immediate offline sphere, and give the government a free hand, would be a lot better if the government wasn’t putting people in camps.
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On September 13 2025 05:56 Doublemint wrote:Cox: ‘Social media is a cancer on our society right now’Show nested quote +Utah Gov. Spencer Cox (R) on Friday urged people to turn away from social media, calling it a “cancer on our society” after announcing that the suspected gunman in the killing of Charlie Kirk is in custody.
At the end of his press conference announcing 22-year-old Tyler Robinson as the suspected gunman in the shooting at Utah Valley University, Cox urged people to log off of social media, citing the violent imagery that proliferates through the medium.
“We are not wired as human beings — biologically, historically — we have not evolved in a way that we are capable of processing those types of violent imagery. And by the way, we’ve seen another one with a gruesome stabbing very recently that went viral. This is not good for us. It is not good to consume,” said Cox, referring to the fatal stabbing of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in North Carolina earlier this month.
“Social media is a cancer on our society right now,” he added. “I would encourage people to log off, turn off, touch grass, hug a family member, go out and do good in your community.”
During the conference, Cox referenced similar remarks about social media that Kirk had made on the platform X in June.
“When things are moving very fast and people are losing their minds, it’s important to stay grounded. Turn off your phone, read scripture, spend time with friends, and remember internet fury is not real life. It’s going to be ok,” Kirk wrote.
The governor said society has a chance to decide where it will go in this moment, to either “escalate” or “find an off-ramp.” maybe not all is lost for some Republicans and the pain of this tragedy gives them a bit of clarity. if that were to become the default position across the board... that would be great. as Trump and company worked really hard to get platforms to kill fact checkers and have the tech bros bend over backwards to kill any moderation to let "freedom reign" to be as idiotic, racist and hateful as humanly possible, it's not very likely.
The Governor's comments would almost be inspiring if you forgot that all the owners of major social media (Meta, YouTube, Twitter, TikTok) that crafted algorithms to increase rage and tension are Trump megadonors that got front row seats his second inauguration. The call is coming from inside the house, Governor!
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On September 13 2025 06:13 KwarK wrote:
The suggestion that people stop reading news, stop worrying on outraging things their government does, disconnect from anything outside their immediate offline sphere, and give the government a free hand, would be a lot better if the government wasn’t putting people in camps.
I think we should distinguish between social media and news. They are very much not the same.
I think a non-neglectable part of why we have this insanity is social media. And i think less social media is very likely to make the world better. Social media is indeed a cancer that devours society.
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On September 13 2025 06:33 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2025 06:13 KwarK wrote:
The suggestion that people stop reading news, stop worrying on outraging things their government does, disconnect from anything outside their immediate offline sphere, and give the government a free hand, would be a lot better if the government wasn’t putting people in camps. I think we should distinguish between social media and news. They are very much not the same. I think a non-neglectable part of why we have this insanity is social media. And i think less social media is very likely to make the world better. Social media is indeed a cancer that devours society.
Depends on the media but it can be like that.
I pick carefully which one I choose to engage with and how.
I also don‘t monitor all of them knowing that it‘s a game to pull you in.
Sometimes run by genuinely evil people too…
Who employ mercs.
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