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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4091 Posts
July 08 2025 14:05 GMT
#101761
On July 08 2025 22:37 KT_Elwood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2025 22:08 Billyboy wrote:
I'm just surprised more MAGA are not super mad about Trump not building his wall. With it there would be no immigration problem and there was no reason for them not to build it when Mexico was paying for it. Huge misstep.


It was basicly done, but then Joe Bide tore it down again! Don't you read your "Truths" every morning?


Joe Biden deliberately flooded the US with forbidden people only to then deport them all again. Can you imagine? That's what the radical left agenda does!
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35142 Posts
July 08 2025 14:28 GMT
#101762
On July 08 2025 08:39 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2025 08:29 Uldridge wrote:
What if the Dems ran a hot young woman like AOC and made her slogan "Try to grab this pussy, bitch", you think that would have won them the race? You could even add "and reap what you sow" to capture the evangelical base.

I think a Dommy Mommy would perform much better than any other female politician archetype. Whatever they do, it needs to be something a woman can lean into and build an identity around. Clinton was more of a politics nerd than an aggressive/dominating presence. A polite and kind woman will just be framed as weak. Something in the middle will be framed as both weak and annoying. AOC or Jasmine Crocket could have an effective campaign if they were completely unhinged and commanding.

Voters want someone who comes across as honest, personable, and most importantly, ANGRY. Our entire country has been conditioned into a persistent state of anxiety, anger, and sadness. An angry and aggressive candidate is what people want. Dommy Mommy is only archetype that allows a woman to have those qualities.

And for the record, I'd support Jasmine Crocket over AOC any day of the week.

I'll admit I haven't looked very hard, and she's not my rep so it makes sense she wouldn't have ads that I would come across, but I haven't seen any push for policy from Crockett that wasn't just opposition to Republican policy being put forward or soundbites of her providing pushback for being disrespected.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16699 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-08 14:36:02
July 08 2025 14:29 GMT
#101763
On July 08 2025 23:05 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2025 22:37 KT_Elwood wrote:
On July 08 2025 22:08 Billyboy wrote:
I'm just surprised more MAGA are not super mad about Trump not building his wall. With it there would be no immigration problem and there was no reason for them not to build it when Mexico was paying for it. Huge misstep.


It was basicly done, but then Joe Bide tore it down again! Don't you read your "Truths" every morning?


Joe Biden deliberately flooded the US with forbidden people only to then deport them all again. Can you imagine? That's what the radical left agenda does!

i stumbled across this and found it fascinating
@1 hour , 38 minutes, 50 seconds.
+ Show Spoiler +

June 11, 1984... "will America's borders remain open to all... a look at America's growing immigration problem"
i'm a big Willie Hernandez fan.. that screw ball is such a great pitch.

it is interesting how Pro Canada every American commentator is during this game. Howard Cosell, in particular, goes on and on for ever about how great Canada is.

Overall, happier times.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 08 2025 15:53 GMT
#101764
On July 08 2025 23:05 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2025 22:37 KT_Elwood wrote:
On July 08 2025 22:08 Billyboy wrote:
I'm just surprised more MAGA are not super mad about Trump not building his wall. With it there would be no immigration problem and there was no reason for them not to build it when Mexico was paying for it. Huge misstep.


It was basicly done, but then Joe Bide tore it down again! Don't you read your "Truths" every morning?


Joe Biden deliberately flooded the US with forbidden people only to then deport them all again. Can you imagine? That's what the radical left agenda does!


Economic stimulus package. You can‘t just print people you can criminalize. They have to be imported first and declared illegal later. That‘s how you bolster the security apparatus before wealth disparity increases further.
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1010 Posts
July 08 2025 17:48 GMT
#101765
On July 08 2025 22:37 KT_Elwood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2025 22:08 Billyboy wrote:
I'm just surprised more MAGA are not super mad about Trump not building his wall. With it there would be no immigration problem and there was no reason for them not to build it when Mexico was paying for it. Huge misstep.


It was basicly done, but then Joe Bide tore it down again! Don't you read your "Truths" every morning?

Biden was just a stooge for the real villain, Hilary. If Trump had just locked her up as promised the US would be perfect by now. He is really letting us down.
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia583 Posts
July 08 2025 21:32 GMT
#101766
On July 08 2025 22:10 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2025 19:22 Jankisa wrote:
On July 08 2025 18:29 Uldridge wrote:
Isn't South Park a good show, perhaps?


Well, interestingly we can't even get South Park the way we used to because paramount is delaying it so they don't hurt Trump's feelings before their big merger goes trough.

Same reason they decided to settle a clearly frivolous lawsuit he filed because he didn't like a 60 minutes interview of Kamala.

Super interesting how all the free speech absolutists around here are completely silent on that.

Those alleged free speech absolutists must either
1) Not exist,
2) Be busy doing other things than stamping their "called Drumpf poopy" card with you personally,
3) Actually not be silent, but you weren't listening at the time, or
4) Simply disagree with you, which is a group of people that at some point you are going to have to accept the existence of.


I would love for you to prove me wrong and provide a quote of you having issues with Trump's attacks on free speech since he came into office, or if you disagree please do explain on what grounds, or explain how you were never into free speech in the first place.

I'm all ears.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42649 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-08 22:35:42
July 08 2025 22:27 GMT
#101767
https://legacy.co.kerr.tx.us/commcrt/minutes/2021/110821(CC).txt

Minutes from a 2021 meeting in Kerr County where at least 100 died in the flooding. It's fucking remarkable. The level of brainworms is off the charts. Demanding Kerr County turn down a bunch of Federal funding only to be hit with a natural disaster. Discussion of the funding wasn't even on the agenda, people just showed up and spent two hours saying shit like “I left the People's Republic of California".
JUDGE KELLY: Would you like to address the

6 public on something not on the agenda?

7 MR. WADE: The same thing she just

8 addressed. To send the money back to DC. Is that on

9 the agenda today?

10 JUDGE KELLY: No, sir. State your name and

11 your address.

12 MR. WADE: My name is Frank Wade, 175 Beaver

13 Road, Ingram, Texas. And I'm here to ask this Court

14 today to send this money back to the Biden

15 administration, which I consider to be the most criminal

16 treasonous communist government ever to hold the White

17 House. And Kerr County should not be accepting anything

18 from these people. They're currently facilitating an

19 invasion of our border, and we're going to support these

20 people? So that's what I have to say. Thank you.

21 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input?

22 Mr. King.

23 (Applause.)

24 JUDGE KELLY: Please, no applause. We're

25 here to listen. You may proceed, Mr. King.

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1 MR. KING: Thank you. Yeah, I'm here to --

2 to talk about the money, too. And I read on Thursday, I

3 believe it was of last week, we had the Commissioner

4 meeting out at the ag barn. And I read -- can you hand

5 me that, please? I want to read this again for

6 everybody. If y'all would bear with me.

7 This is Section 35.9 of the Treasury -- the

8 Treasury Department of the United States. This is

9 compliance with applicable laws and everyone needs to

10 hear that. Compliance with applicable laws for this

11 money that we, or y'all signed a contract for.

12 A recipient must comply with all other

13 applicable, excuse me, Federal statutes, regulations and

14 executive orders. And a recipient shall provide for

15 compliance within the American Rescue Plan Act this

16 subpart, and any interpretive guidance by other parties

17 in any agreement it enters into with other parties

18 relating to these funds.

19 Now, this goes on and it says that this --

20 they have -- in other words, they have the power that if

21 anybody screws this up, excuse my language, and messes

22 up the -- what do you say, the -- the --

23 UNIDENTIFIED VOICE: The conformance.

24 MR. KING: No. The distribution of this

25 money --

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1 JUDGE KELLY: No interruptions.

2 MR. KING: -- the distribution of these

3 monies, you make a mistake. Okay. Then what are they

4 going to -- what are they going to do if we make a

5 mistake and we're in non-compliance? Well, if they're

6 going by executive orders and any laws that they want to

7 make up, they can come in and take our homes. Is that

8 correct? They can do whatever they want to do. They

9 can make you take a vaccine. They can make you do this,

10 do that. This says anything, basically, in

11 non-compliance. And I want to ask you, Judge. And I'd

12 like a response, if you don't mind.

13 JUDGE KELLY: No, sir. This is the input

14 part of the meeting. Public input only. We are not

15 allowed to respond --

16 MR. KING: Okay.

17 JUDGE KELLY: -- by law.

18 MR. KING: Then I'm going to make a

19 statement. On Thursday of last week at the

20 Commissioners meeting, you made a statement that

21 everything was a rumor on this compliance law 35.9. And

22 you made a statement that you called, I believe, Mayor

23 Bonnie White --

24 JUDGE KELLY: No.

25 MR. KING: Maybe I got the name wrong. I

15



1 don't know. But anyway, my point is this is in black

2 and white. These are the laws from the Federal

3 Government that apply to this contract that you have

4 signed. So you're putting all of us under a federal

5 mandate until 2026 when this could not be paid back.

6 And I -- you know, it's at some point I want to put on

7 the agenda that we talk about this, too, because --

8 JUDGE KELLY: Mr. King, your time is up.

9 MR. KING: Okay.

10 JUDGE KELLY: Please state your name and

11 address.

12 MS. CASEY: Good morning, Monday morning.

13 My name is Rita Casey, I live at 136 Upala Springs

14 Ranch. And I spent the weekend lining through the

15 guidelines and I'm only hear to ask questions. And I

16 know you can't answer them. But I'm going to just ask

17 questions, if that's okay.

18 I assume that you're all familiar with the

19 guidelines, and I assume that the County Attorney has

20 given advice on the guidelines and that you're

21 comfortable with it because you signed this. And since

22 I'm limited to three minutes, I have only three sections

23 but I'm going to have to skip to some -- what I think

24 are the most important. And what you signed -- this is

25 my understanding. That the Treasury IG and the GAO can

16



1 access records electronically or otherwise in order to

2 conduct audits or other investments. I don't know if

3 that is what the County and the State does. Allow the

4 Federal Government access to investigate you by

5 electronically accessing your records? I don't know.

6 But it's in this contract that you signed.

7 I have to scratch some things.

8 Okay. We were told that this won't be

9 invested in any way by any Biden Executive Order.

10 That's true. Because a contract is with the Treasury

11 Department, and Yellen, the secretary, has reserved

12 rights to add additional regulations when necessary.

13 You'll find that in here. I think that's important.

14 Because I wouldn't sign a contract that somebody could

15 add to.

16 And I'm not going to -- when I talk I'm not

17 going to refer to any of the 35.9 or any IRS

18 regulations, though I did go check them. Like 602 GI or

19 602(c)(2)(A), because that would just bore everybody.

20 It bored me. And this is how -- this is how I see it.

21 I'm not a contract lawyer, but in a contract there's an

22 exchange of values between two people. So the Federal

23 Government is giving us money. And what are we giving

24 them? I think this is important. No direct or indirect

25 decrease in taxes. We all hope and pray for tax relief.

17



1 And Bandera County just lowered their tax rate. We're

2 hoping the same thing to happen to us, but it won't

3 under this. And who determines what's indirect?

4 JUDGE KELLY: Miss Casey, your time is up.

5 MS. CASEY: Can I just finish this one

6 thought?

7 JUDGE KELLY: We've got enough people here

8 to speak. I think somebody else will cover it.

9 MS. CASEY: Can I -- where can I ask my

10 questions?

11 JUDGE KELLY: Not in the public input part.

12 MS. CASEY: Okay.

13 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input?

14 MS. KING: My name is Marcia King. I live

15 here in Kerrville. And I'm going to talk about the

16 American Rescue Plan Act. I want to read. When the

17 States and Counties and Cities accept the monies from

18 the American Rescue Plan Act, it comes with serious

19 strings attached. Whomever takes this money, they're

20 contractually obliged to adhere to mandatory

21 vaccinations of all their employees and also all

22 subcontractors and their employees.

23 Since these states and counties and cities

24 have signed the contract with the devil, it supersedes

25 an unconstitutional mandate. It is a contractual

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1 agreement. If the recipient doesn't follow these

2 mandates, they must give the money back and there also

3 may be some penalties.

4 And we've all read that in compliance with

5 applicable law and regulations. Recipients agrees to

6 comply with the requirements of Section 603 of the Act.

7 Regulations adopted by the Treasury pursuant to Texas

8 603 of the Act and guidance issued by the Treasury

9 regarding any of the foregoing, agrees and complies with

10 all the with all other applicable Federal statutes,

11 regulations and executive orders. It enters into with

12 other parties relating to this bribe, award, whatever

13 you want to call it.

14 Okay. The money can also be used to buy out

15 small businesses, which then becomes part of the State

16 owned takeover of our economy. Communist style. And as

17 they kill all the mom and pop businesses and supply

18 chain businesses, they can then mandate anything they

19 want because of the contractual terms of the funds

20 taken.

21 This replaces the free market with the

22 federal stimulus money. The Federal contractual

23 takeover of the private sector of all across America is

24 then combined with the mass vaccination mandates in all

25 sectors of society. The enormity of this evil is beyond

19



1 belief. And it is only exceeded by our public officials

2 all too eager to take any money, no matter what the

3 consequence is.

4 It is clearly imperative that we tell our

5 county commissioners to get this dark money back and not

6 tie ourselves to endless rounds of forced testing,

7 contact tracing, quarantine and forced vaccinations.

8 This is clearly unconstitutional but uses this overlay

9 of the fact of contract law to push this agenda which

10 would not succeed with simple -- with simply a mandate.

11 This is clearly not in the best interest of the people.

12 Our local government and these -- if you

13 push back on -- in the strongest way. I ask you to send

14 the money back. Refund it. We don't need it here.

15 Thank you.

16 JUDGE KELLY: I see a hand in the back.

17 MS. CARSON: Hello. My name is Tamara

18 Carson, 241 Rock Bottom Road, Hunt, Texas.

19 I'm very concerned about the direction that

20 this could take us as a County. And I'm just asking

21 that you please use your wisdom and your knowledge and

22 understanding of the laws and please apply it to this.

23 I'm begging you.

24 We're landowners here. I was born and

25 raised in Texas. I went to high school in Ingram. And

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1 I'm currently running a ranch right now and all of this

2 will fall down on all of us. Tax is a heavy thing and I

3 know that there's strings attached to this. And I know

4 y'all know that too. And I'm just begging you, please,

5 don't accept this.

6 I understand if you've already went through

7 the process, but please just -- just take a second look,

8 please. That's all I want to say. Thank you.

9 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you. Yes, ma'am?

10 MS. KING: My name is Nickie King and I live

11 here in Kerrville. I'm also a Marine Corps veteran.

12 And I know that this -- we moved here from Virginia

13 because Kerrville was so pro veteran. And I know and I

14 remember the oath of office that I took when I entered

15 the Marine Corps. And it breaks my heart that we have

16 our State Governor and our State Attorney General is

17 fighting for us against the very mandates that may fall

18 within ARPA.

19 And I ask that you consider the fact that if

20 this goes through, and you handout so-called free money,

21 which my momma always told me nothing is free, that you

22 will then be, according to the government, you will then

23 be asking our local law enforcement to enforce those

24 mandates, and that I know at least Sheriff Leitha ran as

25 a constitutional Sheriff.

21



1 So I ask that you reconsider accepting this

2 money, like all the previous speakers have said, and

3 send it back and let Kerrville take care of Kerrville.

4 There are numerous other counties that have rejected it.

5 And I honestly don't understand why Kerrville cannot do

6 the same. Thank you.

7 MS. HARSTON: Good morning. My name is

8 Suzanne Harston, I live at 531 Saddlewood Boulevard in

9 Kerrville. I am recently, in the last 13 years, come to

10 the great State of Texas. I left the People's Republic

11 of California back in 2005. I do not want to see

12 this -- this great state or this great county that I

13 live in move in that direction. So I'm begging you,

14 like the other speakers, please do not take this money.

15 JUDGE KELLY: Yes, ma'am?

16 MS. LEITNER: Hi. My name is Anke Leitner,

17 and I live in Ingram. And basically I would also ask

18 you not to accept that money since there are so many

19 strings attached to it.

20 Also, as you can see, a lot of your

21 residents do not support this choice. And in my

22 opinion, maybe you should have a public vote on that to

23 actually get the true statement of your voters on that

24 issue, and maybe reconsider what your actually voters

25 want and not a panel of four people or five people.

22



1 Thank you.

2 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input? Go

3 ahead.

4 MR. REXACH: Good morning. I'm Joe Rexach,

5 I live at 277 Willow Bend Drive. I have more if you

6 need that. I've only been able to -- I've only

7 addressed you folks once before. But I believe you to

8 be good men. I don't believe you're our enemy. But I

9 do believe you're making a big mistake. I believe

10 you've missed what's being presented.

11 I actually last night did some reading.

12 This is hard to find, this material. This is -- this is

13 not -- and it's not surprising by the Brandon

14 administration -- and they've earned that name --

15 JUDGE KELLY: Come to order.

16 MR. REXACH: -- that there is not just lack

17 of transparency, but they're pulling the wool over our

18 eyes. If we see what's actually written, we make a

19 clear decision. This is wrong. Texas has been going in

20 the right direction. I moved from Washington State a

21 year ago. Washington is just falling lock step with

22 whatever this administration wants to do. And we're

23 watching with clarity the damage.

24 As far as COVID and the recovery money, the

25 majority of the damage has been caused by the

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1 government. We're doing well. I'm a retired

2 firefighter, EMS, love law enforcement. Do no harm is

3 going by the wayside from -- we're all familiar with

4 that. And it's heartfelt. But it's going by the

5 wayside for now what would be money that would go

6 against everything that we believe. Whatever good is in

7 it, I don't want it.

8 I -- I'm in agreement with my fellow

9 citizens. And I just thank you. But please reconsider

10 and look at the details of this. I know you're --

11 you're smart men. You've got -- you're good men.

12 Please look at this and reevaluate it. And I believe

13 when you look at it, as I'm now seeing much of this for

14 the first time, having sought it out, couldn't find it,

15 you're going to be in agreement. I think we're on the

16 same side. Thank you.

17 JUDGE KELLY: Yes, sir?

18 MR. PIPER: Good morning, gentlemen. Thanks

19 for hearing us out, Judge and Commissioners. I'm

20 Michael Piper. Kerrville resident all my life. Two

21 businesses I run in this City.

22 At the beginning of COVID they came out with

23 all these plans to help the business owner out and my

24 brother came to me and said, Michael, aren't you

25 applying for these loans? And I said well, there's

24



1 three things. I said, there's always strings attached

2 with the government. I don't want to look my grandkids

3 in the face and say I spent your money. And -- excuse

4 me. It -- it was tough. I didn't take the money.

5 I didn't want to have to be answering to

6 anybody, you know. I've been a self-made guy. I don't

7 want to answer to anybody to run my businesses. I don't

8 want to pay nothing back. I -- I'm in a circumstance

9 right now where I'm debt free and I didn't want to do

10 it. It was tough.

11 But my businesses absolutely went broke.

12 I'll be honest with you about that. But I took it on

13 the chin of my thought, I worked my own kitchen by

14 myself for eight months. Let's stand up and do that

15 stuff. I'm not trying to pass anymore judgment on

16 anybody else. You can do what you want. If businesses

17 took the money, that's fine. They -- some of them

18 probably needed it. They probably had mortgages to pay,

19 but I didn't. I was in a unique circumstance. But we

20 can do it. We can do it without the Federal Government

21 patting us on the back going hey, good job, guys. You

22 took our money and now we've got our thumb on ya.

23 So reconsider, guys. I -- I know a lot of

24 you guys. I've spoke before you before and I know you

25 make really good judgment calls. And I -- I have all

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1 the faith in the world in y'all. Thank you very much.

2 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you. I see a hand in

3 the back.

4 MR. BOLES: My name is Rick Boles, 161 T Bar

5 Ranch Road, Mountain Home, Texas. I'm a third

6 generation farmer and rancher. I spent my life teaching

7 kids about agriculture and anybody who's spent any time

8 farming and ranching knows it's a hard row to hoe to

9 make ends meet.

10 And we -- I made a commitment to my

11 father-in-law, a ranch that's been in our family a

12 hundred years, and I made a commitment to him that I

13 would carry on a heritage. When we accept this

14 government money, what happens, I will not stand by and

15 let them take the ranch that we've worked a hundred

16 years for. And if that be the case, I plead with you do

17 not take this money. Thank you for hearing me.

18 JUDGE KELLY: Anyone else from the public?

19 Yes, sir?

20 MR. OAKS: Good morning. My name is Howard

21 Oaks(phonetic), I live at 714 Jackson Road, over by

22 Trinity Baptist Church. I've only been here a year. I

23 moved here a year ago from California. Thank God. And

24 it is right. People's Republic of California. This is

25 what happens to a state or a community when you

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1 constantly are in cahoots with the powers that be. With

2 the government.

3 California was the best state in the world

4 to live in 40 years ago. Low taxes. Great schools. It

5 was outstanding. I lived there since 1954. I want to

6 tell you that if you go the way California is, we're all

7 going to move to Florida.

8 So I just ask you respectfully, and this is

9 the first time I've ever spoken to a group like this,

10 but I have fought some fights in California for several

11 years trying to keep government at a minimum and keep

12 freedom alive. I appreciate your time. Thank you.

13 JUDGE KELLY: Yes, ma'am?

14 MS. HANNAH: Hello. My name is Katy Chapman

15 Hannah. I'm a registered nurse, and I live at 1343

16 Bandera Highway in Kerrville, Texas.

17 I happen to know that there is no such thing

18 as free money. It's never government-funded; it's

19 tax-payer funded. So they're taking our money and

20 they're putting strings attached to it and then they're

21 giving it back to us. And they're going to get their

22 foot in the door in this county. We don't want their

23 money. I feel like the people have spoken and I stand

24 with the people. Thank you for your time.

25 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input?

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1 Yes, ma'am?

2 MS. DEWELL: My name is Barbara Dewell. I

3 live in Kerrville. I think this is a great commission.

4 I think you guys have done -- made really, really good

5 decisions. And like one of the other speakers

6 mentioned, I do believe that this was a mistake.

7 Like some of the others, I moved here from

8 Colorado. Not California, but Colorado. But for the

9 exact same reason. I watched my state deteriorate. And

10 it continues to give in to Federal authority. Over all

11 kinds of aspects of our lives. We moved here and just

12 thank God for Texas. And I'd like to see it stay that

13 way.

14 I had never been involved in local politics

15 until I came here. But when we left Colorado I said, I

16 will get involved locally. I will not watch it happen

17 in another state without my having some input and saying

18 stop. This is where we draw the line. This is where we

19 hold the line. And I think all of you gentlemen here

20 want that, too. And I'm asking you to reconsider your

21 decision and send back the money. Keep Kerr County

22 free. Thank you.

23 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input? Yes,

24 sir?

25 MR. MOTLONG: My name is Josh Motlong. I

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1 reside at 1701 Quinlan Creek Drive. Thank you for --

2 JUDGE KELLY: I'm -- I'm sorry. I was

3 distracted by the clerk.

4 MRS. DOWDY: I apologize.

5 JUDGE KELLY: Could you please state your

6 name again?

7 MR. MOTLONG: Yeah, Josh Motlong.

8 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you.

9 MR. MOTLONG: Thank you gentlemen for

10 serving for what you do. I just want to add my voice to

11 my brothers and sisters here. And I feel that this

12 money has an open-ended unclear level of attachment to

13 the government. Strings they could pull. Changes they

14 could take on us if we were to take this money. I don't

15 think it's a safe or wise decision. I'd appreciate your

16 considering sending that money back and breaking our

17 ties with them. Thank you.

18 JUDGE KELLY: Any other input from the

19 public? Yes, ma'am?

20 MS. BEARD: I am Lillian Beard. I live at

21 120 Via Vista Drive in Kerrville. We have been in

22 Kerrville about four years this month. And we moved

23 here because Kerrville was a nice, conservative town

24 that didn't have strings with the Federal Government

25 that would stop us from keeping our homes, keeping our

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1 ranches, keeping our businesses.

2 I am an Army veteran. And from being in the

3 government, in the military, I know for sure that there

4 are strings attached to anything the government gives

5 you for free. Whether it appears so in the beginning,

6 it will come at you when you're least expecting it and

7 there will be nothing we can do about it. And please

8 send this money back.

9 We were on a trip in August. And we were

10 driving through Nebraska. And I was talking to a

11 gentleman at the convenience store and he asked me where

12 we were from. And I told him Texas. And he said, oh

13 good, that you guys will probably be the first state to

14 succeed from the union. And I said we just might do

15 that. And he said well, if you do, we're hoping that

16 you'll take Nebraska with us.

17 But if we keep this money and we have all

18 these strings attached, there won't be anybody to come

19 help us. There won't be anybody on our side. And like

20 I said, I told this gentleman, you know, you're more

21 than welcome to try Texas. We'll be glad to have you.

22 But not if things like this are happening. I feel like

23 I could call this gentleman and say stop. Don't ever

24 advocate for your state to go along with Texas. Thank

25 you, gentlemen.

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1 MRS. DOWDY: I have Terri Hall. Can we

2 start calling names on the list?

3 JUDGE KELLY: No, we cannot. Because those

4 are agenda items. These are not agenda items.

5 Yes, sir?

6 MR. FITCH: Good morning. My name is Bill

7 Fitch, I'm at 403 Forest Ridge Drive. And I just have

8 two things to say. And I'm quoting. And I know y'all

9 know who this is. The most terrifying words in the

10 English language are, I'm from the government and I'm

11 here to help you. Ronald Reagan. He also said

12 something that I don't remember him saying. If I put my

13 glasses on I'll be able to read it.

14 As government expands, liberty contracts.

15 And that's what's going to happen with this thing.

16 We're going to lose our liberties. I beg you, send this

17 money back. Thank you.

18 JUDGE KELLY: Yes?

19 MS. HAMMERLEIN: Good morning. My name is

20 Maria Hammerlein and I am a Kerrville resident. I also

21 came from -- well, I hate to say but refer to as the

22 socialist county, Harris County. We got -- I got to

23 Harris County about 12 years ago. And it was still

24 being run by conservatives at the County level. And I

25 just want to let you know what's happened. Since --

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1 it's been -- well, since the Beto -- when he ran for

2 Governor -- I mean Senator, we totally -- it totally

3 went blue. Every -- almost every judge. All but two

4 County Commissioners. Now there's just one left. And

5 it's totally been taken over.

6 We went through Hurricane Harvey. We were

7 there all by ourselves like an island in the middle of

8 water. Since we left, they have had so many floods and

9 catastrophes and who's at the helm? Well, it's -- it's

10 a socialist Marxist Regime.

11 They have -- I can't really tell you how I

12 know this, but the regime that's there running elections

13 has been in collusion with the White House, taking the

14 people from the border into the areas where they know

15 they need the buffer. They need more votes.

16 What I'm telling you is that -- don't trust

17 them. Don't allow them to take one inch of space

18 because if they do, we will never get it back. Just

19 trying to tell what you happened there in my experience.

20 So thank God we're here. I'm a native Texan. I am

21 almost 40 percent Native American. And the rest is

22 Spanish.

23 I got here -- my family got here before

24 many, many that are here. My great-grandfather came

25 here to kill Indians. But he married one. So that's my

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1 heritage. I bleed Texas -- this is -- this is in my

2 blood. I can't even help it. I mean I cry. I weep

3 over this land. Don't just -- so I just want to

4 encourage you. You have our prayers. And we hope, you

5 know, that you'll do the right thing. Thank you. God

6 bless you.

7 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input? Yes,

8 sir?

9 MR. KARP: I too am from Colorado.

10 JUDGE KELLY: Identify yourself, please.

11 MR. KARP: Pardon?

12 JUDGE KELLY: Identify yourself. State your

13 name.

14 MR. KARP: I'm David Karp(phonetic) from

15 Kerrville. And as you can see how Colorado has turned

16 out. Now the Governor has made an Executive Order that

17 the hospitals don't even have to take ya, if you haven't

18 been vaccinated. I left that state. I loved it. I

19 lived there for a lot of years. But then it went over

20 the hill. And so now I'm in Texas.

21 And you know, Texas is not a state; it's a

22 way of life. And there's no reason to take this money.

23 I would urge you to give it back. Very seriously.

24 Thank you.

25 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you. Any other public

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1 input? Yes, ma'am?

2 MS. RADIAN: I recently moved -- my name is

3 Shandra Radian(phonetic), and I live at 220 Ranch Road

4 Drive in Hunt, Texas. And I moved here a week ago,

5 taking asylum from the State of Hawaii. They've been

6 totally bought out. And it's very fascist.

7 And like I'm a native Texan, and I love this

8 state with all my heart and soul. And I don't see how

9 you can accept this money with everyone -- I have seen

10 these people at the last two meetings. The one where it

11 was at the Youth Center, and after that, Liberty in

12 Action.

13 I don't see how in good conscious you can

14 take it with this level of public clarity and

15 confidence. It's a matter of conscience. This is what

16 our forefather's fought for. My father was a Marine in

17 Guadalcanal and he would flip out if he thought that

18 Kerrville was going to take this money. It is

19 definitely a trap.

20 If you read the fine print, there is no

21 doubt in my mind we're going to be forced to do things

22 we don't want to do. So whatever you paid out to hire a

23 few people to administer it, you can find some way to

24 refund it and change your mind like the other counties

25 have. Thank you.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
July 08 2025 23:44 GMT
#101768
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This is not a coincidence. It will be shrugged off as a design flaw or error, but its important for people to not give shit like this benefit of doubt.

The intention here is to normalize Nazi ideology/messaging while being able to hide behind "Its an AI, no one is accountable. I didn't say that, its an algorithm". The goal is to spread this ideology far and wide without accountability.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44276 Posts
July 09 2025 01:13 GMT
#101769
On July 09 2025 08:44 Mohdoo wrote:
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This is not a coincidence. It will be shrugged off as a design flaw or error, but its important for people to not give shit like this benefit of doubt.

The intention here is to normalize Nazi ideology/messaging while being able to hide behind "Its an AI, no one is accountable. I didn't say that, its an algorithm". The goal is to spread this ideology far and wide without accountability.


No doubt that some people will think that "woke" AI showing a black George Washington is just as bad as this. lol.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2550 Posts
July 09 2025 03:47 GMT
#101770
The first I heard of that flood was from the most conspiracy-pilled person I know, and the story from them was that it was a targeted attack via weather manipulation on the children in this camp, who are the children of right-wing (or christian, it was unclear) influencers.

Their support for this claim was patents in the '60s for weather manipulation.
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2688 Posts
July 09 2025 06:01 GMT
#101771
On July 09 2025 12:47 Fleetfeet wrote:
The first I heard of that flood was from the most conspiracy-pilled person I know, and the story from them was that it was a targeted attack via weather manipulation on the children in this camp, who are the children of right-wing (or christian, it was unclear) influencers.

Their support for this claim was patents in the '60s for weather manipulation.


Is this why MTG is introducing her anti-weather modification bill?
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11506 Posts
July 09 2025 06:19 GMT
#101772
On July 09 2025 07:27 KwarK wrote:
https://legacy.co.kerr.tx.us/commcrt/minutes/2021/110821(CC).txt

Minutes from a 2021 meeting in Kerr County where at least 100 died in the flooding. It's fucking remarkable. The level of brainworms is off the charts. Demanding Kerr County turn down a bunch of Federal funding only to be hit with a natural disaster. Discussion of the funding wasn't even on the agenda, people just showed up and spent two hours saying shit like “I left the People's Republic of California".
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JUDGE KELLY: Would you like to address the

6 public on something not on the agenda?

7 MR. WADE: The same thing she just

8 addressed. To send the money back to DC. Is that on

9 the agenda today?

10 JUDGE KELLY: No, sir. State your name and

11 your address.

12 MR. WADE: My name is Frank Wade, 175 Beaver

13 Road, Ingram, Texas. And I'm here to ask this Court

14 today to send this money back to the Biden

15 administration, which I consider to be the most criminal

16 treasonous communist government ever to hold the White

17 House. And Kerr County should not be accepting anything

18 from these people. They're currently facilitating an

19 invasion of our border, and we're going to support these

20 people? So that's what I have to say. Thank you.

21 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input?

22 Mr. King.

23 (Applause.)

24 JUDGE KELLY: Please, no applause. We're

25 here to listen. You may proceed, Mr. King.

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1 MR. KING: Thank you. Yeah, I'm here to --

2 to talk about the money, too. And I read on Thursday, I

3 believe it was of last week, we had the Commissioner

4 meeting out at the ag barn. And I read -- can you hand

5 me that, please? I want to read this again for

6 everybody. If y'all would bear with me.

7 This is Section 35.9 of the Treasury -- the

8 Treasury Department of the United States. This is

9 compliance with applicable laws and everyone needs to

10 hear that. Compliance with applicable laws for this

11 money that we, or y'all signed a contract for.

12 A recipient must comply with all other

13 applicable, excuse me, Federal statutes, regulations and

14 executive orders. And a recipient shall provide for

15 compliance within the American Rescue Plan Act this

16 subpart, and any interpretive guidance by other parties

17 in any agreement it enters into with other parties

18 relating to these funds.

19 Now, this goes on and it says that this --

20 they have -- in other words, they have the power that if

21 anybody screws this up, excuse my language, and messes

22 up the -- what do you say, the -- the --

23 UNIDENTIFIED VOICE: The conformance.

24 MR. KING: No. The distribution of this

25 money --

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1 JUDGE KELLY: No interruptions.

2 MR. KING: -- the distribution of these

3 monies, you make a mistake. Okay. Then what are they

4 going to -- what are they going to do if we make a

5 mistake and we're in non-compliance? Well, if they're

6 going by executive orders and any laws that they want to

7 make up, they can come in and take our homes. Is that

8 correct? They can do whatever they want to do. They

9 can make you take a vaccine. They can make you do this,

10 do that. This says anything, basically, in

11 non-compliance. And I want to ask you, Judge. And I'd

12 like a response, if you don't mind.

13 JUDGE KELLY: No, sir. This is the input

14 part of the meeting. Public input only. We are not

15 allowed to respond --

16 MR. KING: Okay.

17 JUDGE KELLY: -- by law.

18 MR. KING: Then I'm going to make a

19 statement. On Thursday of last week at the

20 Commissioners meeting, you made a statement that

21 everything was a rumor on this compliance law 35.9. And

22 you made a statement that you called, I believe, Mayor

23 Bonnie White --

24 JUDGE KELLY: No.

25 MR. KING: Maybe I got the name wrong. I

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1 don't know. But anyway, my point is this is in black

2 and white. These are the laws from the Federal

3 Government that apply to this contract that you have

4 signed. So you're putting all of us under a federal

5 mandate until 2026 when this could not be paid back.

6 And I -- you know, it's at some point I want to put on

7 the agenda that we talk about this, too, because --

8 JUDGE KELLY: Mr. King, your time is up.

9 MR. KING: Okay.

10 JUDGE KELLY: Please state your name and

11 address.

12 MS. CASEY: Good morning, Monday morning.

13 My name is Rita Casey, I live at 136 Upala Springs

14 Ranch. And I spent the weekend lining through the

15 guidelines and I'm only hear to ask questions. And I

16 know you can't answer them. But I'm going to just ask

17 questions, if that's okay.

18 I assume that you're all familiar with the

19 guidelines, and I assume that the County Attorney has

20 given advice on the guidelines and that you're

21 comfortable with it because you signed this. And since

22 I'm limited to three minutes, I have only three sections

23 but I'm going to have to skip to some -- what I think

24 are the most important. And what you signed -- this is

25 my understanding. That the Treasury IG and the GAO can

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1 access records electronically or otherwise in order to

2 conduct audits or other investments. I don't know if

3 that is what the County and the State does. Allow the

4 Federal Government access to investigate you by

5 electronically accessing your records? I don't know.

6 But it's in this contract that you signed.

7 I have to scratch some things.

8 Okay. We were told that this won't be

9 invested in any way by any Biden Executive Order.

10 That's true. Because a contract is with the Treasury

11 Department, and Yellen, the secretary, has reserved

12 rights to add additional regulations when necessary.

13 You'll find that in here. I think that's important.

14 Because I wouldn't sign a contract that somebody could

15 add to.

16 And I'm not going to -- when I talk I'm not

17 going to refer to any of the 35.9 or any IRS

18 regulations, though I did go check them. Like 602 GI or

19 602(c)(2)(A), because that would just bore everybody.

20 It bored me. And this is how -- this is how I see it.

21 I'm not a contract lawyer, but in a contract there's an

22 exchange of values between two people. So the Federal

23 Government is giving us money. And what are we giving

24 them? I think this is important. No direct or indirect

25 decrease in taxes. We all hope and pray for tax relief.

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1 And Bandera County just lowered their tax rate. We're

2 hoping the same thing to happen to us, but it won't

3 under this. And who determines what's indirect?

4 JUDGE KELLY: Miss Casey, your time is up.

5 MS. CASEY: Can I just finish this one

6 thought?

7 JUDGE KELLY: We've got enough people here

8 to speak. I think somebody else will cover it.

9 MS. CASEY: Can I -- where can I ask my

10 questions?

11 JUDGE KELLY: Not in the public input part.

12 MS. CASEY: Okay.

13 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input?

14 MS. KING: My name is Marcia King. I live

15 here in Kerrville. And I'm going to talk about the

16 American Rescue Plan Act. I want to read. When the

17 States and Counties and Cities accept the monies from

18 the American Rescue Plan Act, it comes with serious

19 strings attached. Whomever takes this money, they're

20 contractually obliged to adhere to mandatory

21 vaccinations of all their employees and also all

22 subcontractors and their employees.

23 Since these states and counties and cities

24 have signed the contract with the devil, it supersedes

25 an unconstitutional mandate. It is a contractual

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1 agreement. If the recipient doesn't follow these

2 mandates, they must give the money back and there also

3 may be some penalties.

4 And we've all read that in compliance with

5 applicable law and regulations. Recipients agrees to

6 comply with the requirements of Section 603 of the Act.

7 Regulations adopted by the Treasury pursuant to Texas

8 603 of the Act and guidance issued by the Treasury

9 regarding any of the foregoing, agrees and complies with

10 all the with all other applicable Federal statutes,

11 regulations and executive orders. It enters into with

12 other parties relating to this bribe, award, whatever

13 you want to call it.

14 Okay. The money can also be used to buy out

15 small businesses, which then becomes part of the State

16 owned takeover of our economy. Communist style. And as

17 they kill all the mom and pop businesses and supply

18 chain businesses, they can then mandate anything they

19 want because of the contractual terms of the funds

20 taken.

21 This replaces the free market with the

22 federal stimulus money. The Federal contractual

23 takeover of the private sector of all across America is

24 then combined with the mass vaccination mandates in all

25 sectors of society. The enormity of this evil is beyond

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1 belief. And it is only exceeded by our public officials

2 all too eager to take any money, no matter what the

3 consequence is.

4 It is clearly imperative that we tell our

5 county commissioners to get this dark money back and not

6 tie ourselves to endless rounds of forced testing,

7 contact tracing, quarantine and forced vaccinations.

8 This is clearly unconstitutional but uses this overlay

9 of the fact of contract law to push this agenda which

10 would not succeed with simple -- with simply a mandate.

11 This is clearly not in the best interest of the people.

12 Our local government and these -- if you

13 push back on -- in the strongest way. I ask you to send

14 the money back. Refund it. We don't need it here.

15 Thank you.

16 JUDGE KELLY: I see a hand in the back.

17 MS. CARSON: Hello. My name is Tamara

18 Carson, 241 Rock Bottom Road, Hunt, Texas.

19 I'm very concerned about the direction that

20 this could take us as a County. And I'm just asking

21 that you please use your wisdom and your knowledge and

22 understanding of the laws and please apply it to this.

23 I'm begging you.

24 We're landowners here. I was born and

25 raised in Texas. I went to high school in Ingram. And

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1 I'm currently running a ranch right now and all of this

2 will fall down on all of us. Tax is a heavy thing and I

3 know that there's strings attached to this. And I know

4 y'all know that too. And I'm just begging you, please,

5 don't accept this.

6 I understand if you've already went through

7 the process, but please just -- just take a second look,

8 please. That's all I want to say. Thank you.

9 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you. Yes, ma'am?

10 MS. KING: My name is Nickie King and I live

11 here in Kerrville. I'm also a Marine Corps veteran.

12 And I know that this -- we moved here from Virginia

13 because Kerrville was so pro veteran. And I know and I

14 remember the oath of office that I took when I entered

15 the Marine Corps. And it breaks my heart that we have

16 our State Governor and our State Attorney General is

17 fighting for us against the very mandates that may fall

18 within ARPA.

19 And I ask that you consider the fact that if

20 this goes through, and you handout so-called free money,

21 which my momma always told me nothing is free, that you

22 will then be, according to the government, you will then

23 be asking our local law enforcement to enforce those

24 mandates, and that I know at least Sheriff Leitha ran as

25 a constitutional Sheriff.

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1 So I ask that you reconsider accepting this

2 money, like all the previous speakers have said, and

3 send it back and let Kerrville take care of Kerrville.

4 There are numerous other counties that have rejected it.

5 And I honestly don't understand why Kerrville cannot do

6 the same. Thank you.

7 MS. HARSTON: Good morning. My name is

8 Suzanne Harston, I live at 531 Saddlewood Boulevard in

9 Kerrville. I am recently, in the last 13 years, come to

10 the great State of Texas. I left the People's Republic

11 of California back in 2005. I do not want to see

12 this -- this great state or this great county that I

13 live in move in that direction. So I'm begging you,

14 like the other speakers, please do not take this money.

15 JUDGE KELLY: Yes, ma'am?

16 MS. LEITNER: Hi. My name is Anke Leitner,

17 and I live in Ingram. And basically I would also ask

18 you not to accept that money since there are so many

19 strings attached to it.

20 Also, as you can see, a lot of your

21 residents do not support this choice. And in my

22 opinion, maybe you should have a public vote on that to

23 actually get the true statement of your voters on that

24 issue, and maybe reconsider what your actually voters

25 want and not a panel of four people or five people.

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1 Thank you.

2 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input? Go

3 ahead.

4 MR. REXACH: Good morning. I'm Joe Rexach,

5 I live at 277 Willow Bend Drive. I have more if you

6 need that. I've only been able to -- I've only

7 addressed you folks once before. But I believe you to

8 be good men. I don't believe you're our enemy. But I

9 do believe you're making a big mistake. I believe

10 you've missed what's being presented.

11 I actually last night did some reading.

12 This is hard to find, this material. This is -- this is

13 not -- and it's not surprising by the Brandon

14 administration -- and they've earned that name --

15 JUDGE KELLY: Come to order.

16 MR. REXACH: -- that there is not just lack

17 of transparency, but they're pulling the wool over our

18 eyes. If we see what's actually written, we make a

19 clear decision. This is wrong. Texas has been going in

20 the right direction. I moved from Washington State a

21 year ago. Washington is just falling lock step with

22 whatever this administration wants to do. And we're

23 watching with clarity the damage.

24 As far as COVID and the recovery money, the

25 majority of the damage has been caused by the

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1 government. We're doing well. I'm a retired

2 firefighter, EMS, love law enforcement. Do no harm is

3 going by the wayside from -- we're all familiar with

4 that. And it's heartfelt. But it's going by the

5 wayside for now what would be money that would go

6 against everything that we believe. Whatever good is in

7 it, I don't want it.

8 I -- I'm in agreement with my fellow

9 citizens. And I just thank you. But please reconsider

10 and look at the details of this. I know you're --

11 you're smart men. You've got -- you're good men.

12 Please look at this and reevaluate it. And I believe

13 when you look at it, as I'm now seeing much of this for

14 the first time, having sought it out, couldn't find it,

15 you're going to be in agreement. I think we're on the

16 same side. Thank you.

17 JUDGE KELLY: Yes, sir?

18 MR. PIPER: Good morning, gentlemen. Thanks

19 for hearing us out, Judge and Commissioners. I'm

20 Michael Piper. Kerrville resident all my life. Two

21 businesses I run in this City.

22 At the beginning of COVID they came out with

23 all these plans to help the business owner out and my

24 brother came to me and said, Michael, aren't you

25 applying for these loans? And I said well, there's

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1 three things. I said, there's always strings attached

2 with the government. I don't want to look my grandkids

3 in the face and say I spent your money. And -- excuse

4 me. It -- it was tough. I didn't take the money.

5 I didn't want to have to be answering to

6 anybody, you know. I've been a self-made guy. I don't

7 want to answer to anybody to run my businesses. I don't

8 want to pay nothing back. I -- I'm in a circumstance

9 right now where I'm debt free and I didn't want to do

10 it. It was tough.

11 But my businesses absolutely went broke.

12 I'll be honest with you about that. But I took it on

13 the chin of my thought, I worked my own kitchen by

14 myself for eight months. Let's stand up and do that

15 stuff. I'm not trying to pass anymore judgment on

16 anybody else. You can do what you want. If businesses

17 took the money, that's fine. They -- some of them

18 probably needed it. They probably had mortgages to pay,

19 but I didn't. I was in a unique circumstance. But we

20 can do it. We can do it without the Federal Government

21 patting us on the back going hey, good job, guys. You

22 took our money and now we've got our thumb on ya.

23 So reconsider, guys. I -- I know a lot of

24 you guys. I've spoke before you before and I know you

25 make really good judgment calls. And I -- I have all

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1 the faith in the world in y'all. Thank you very much.

2 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you. I see a hand in

3 the back.

4 MR. BOLES: My name is Rick Boles, 161 T Bar

5 Ranch Road, Mountain Home, Texas. I'm a third

6 generation farmer and rancher. I spent my life teaching

7 kids about agriculture and anybody who's spent any time

8 farming and ranching knows it's a hard row to hoe to

9 make ends meet.

10 And we -- I made a commitment to my

11 father-in-law, a ranch that's been in our family a

12 hundred years, and I made a commitment to him that I

13 would carry on a heritage. When we accept this

14 government money, what happens, I will not stand by and

15 let them take the ranch that we've worked a hundred

16 years for. And if that be the case, I plead with you do

17 not take this money. Thank you for hearing me.

18 JUDGE KELLY: Anyone else from the public?

19 Yes, sir?

20 MR. OAKS: Good morning. My name is Howard

21 Oaks(phonetic), I live at 714 Jackson Road, over by

22 Trinity Baptist Church. I've only been here a year. I

23 moved here a year ago from California. Thank God. And

24 it is right. People's Republic of California. This is

25 what happens to a state or a community when you

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1 constantly are in cahoots with the powers that be. With

2 the government.

3 California was the best state in the world

4 to live in 40 years ago. Low taxes. Great schools. It

5 was outstanding. I lived there since 1954. I want to

6 tell you that if you go the way California is, we're all

7 going to move to Florida.

8 So I just ask you respectfully, and this is

9 the first time I've ever spoken to a group like this,

10 but I have fought some fights in California for several

11 years trying to keep government at a minimum and keep

12 freedom alive. I appreciate your time. Thank you.

13 JUDGE KELLY: Yes, ma'am?

14 MS. HANNAH: Hello. My name is Katy Chapman

15 Hannah. I'm a registered nurse, and I live at 1343

16 Bandera Highway in Kerrville, Texas.

17 I happen to know that there is no such thing

18 as free money. It's never government-funded; it's

19 tax-payer funded. So they're taking our money and

20 they're putting strings attached to it and then they're

21 giving it back to us. And they're going to get their

22 foot in the door in this county. We don't want their

23 money. I feel like the people have spoken and I stand

24 with the people. Thank you for your time.

25 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input?

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1 Yes, ma'am?

2 MS. DEWELL: My name is Barbara Dewell. I

3 live in Kerrville. I think this is a great commission.

4 I think you guys have done -- made really, really good

5 decisions. And like one of the other speakers

6 mentioned, I do believe that this was a mistake.

7 Like some of the others, I moved here from

8 Colorado. Not California, but Colorado. But for the

9 exact same reason. I watched my state deteriorate. And

10 it continues to give in to Federal authority. Over all

11 kinds of aspects of our lives. We moved here and just

12 thank God for Texas. And I'd like to see it stay that

13 way.

14 I had never been involved in local politics

15 until I came here. But when we left Colorado I said, I

16 will get involved locally. I will not watch it happen

17 in another state without my having some input and saying

18 stop. This is where we draw the line. This is where we

19 hold the line. And I think all of you gentlemen here

20 want that, too. And I'm asking you to reconsider your

21 decision and send back the money. Keep Kerr County

22 free. Thank you.

23 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input? Yes,

24 sir?

25 MR. MOTLONG: My name is Josh Motlong. I

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1 reside at 1701 Quinlan Creek Drive. Thank you for --

2 JUDGE KELLY: I'm -- I'm sorry. I was

3 distracted by the clerk.

4 MRS. DOWDY: I apologize.

5 JUDGE KELLY: Could you please state your

6 name again?

7 MR. MOTLONG: Yeah, Josh Motlong.

8 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you.

9 MR. MOTLONG: Thank you gentlemen for

10 serving for what you do. I just want to add my voice to

11 my brothers and sisters here. And I feel that this

12 money has an open-ended unclear level of attachment to

13 the government. Strings they could pull. Changes they

14 could take on us if we were to take this money. I don't

15 think it's a safe or wise decision. I'd appreciate your

16 considering sending that money back and breaking our

17 ties with them. Thank you.

18 JUDGE KELLY: Any other input from the

19 public? Yes, ma'am?

20 MS. BEARD: I am Lillian Beard. I live at

21 120 Via Vista Drive in Kerrville. We have been in

22 Kerrville about four years this month. And we moved

23 here because Kerrville was a nice, conservative town

24 that didn't have strings with the Federal Government

25 that would stop us from keeping our homes, keeping our

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1 ranches, keeping our businesses.

2 I am an Army veteran. And from being in the

3 government, in the military, I know for sure that there

4 are strings attached to anything the government gives

5 you for free. Whether it appears so in the beginning,

6 it will come at you when you're least expecting it and

7 there will be nothing we can do about it. And please

8 send this money back.

9 We were on a trip in August. And we were

10 driving through Nebraska. And I was talking to a

11 gentleman at the convenience store and he asked me where

12 we were from. And I told him Texas. And he said, oh

13 good, that you guys will probably be the first state to

14 succeed from the union. And I said we just might do

15 that. And he said well, if you do, we're hoping that

16 you'll take Nebraska with us.

17 But if we keep this money and we have all

18 these strings attached, there won't be anybody to come

19 help us. There won't be anybody on our side. And like

20 I said, I told this gentleman, you know, you're more

21 than welcome to try Texas. We'll be glad to have you.

22 But not if things like this are happening. I feel like

23 I could call this gentleman and say stop. Don't ever

24 advocate for your state to go along with Texas. Thank

25 you, gentlemen.

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1 MRS. DOWDY: I have Terri Hall. Can we

2 start calling names on the list?

3 JUDGE KELLY: No, we cannot. Because those

4 are agenda items. These are not agenda items.

5 Yes, sir?

6 MR. FITCH: Good morning. My name is Bill

7 Fitch, I'm at 403 Forest Ridge Drive. And I just have

8 two things to say. And I'm quoting. And I know y'all

9 know who this is. The most terrifying words in the

10 English language are, I'm from the government and I'm

11 here to help you. Ronald Reagan. He also said

12 something that I don't remember him saying. If I put my

13 glasses on I'll be able to read it.

14 As government expands, liberty contracts.

15 And that's what's going to happen with this thing.

16 We're going to lose our liberties. I beg you, send this

17 money back. Thank you.

18 JUDGE KELLY: Yes?

19 MS. HAMMERLEIN: Good morning. My name is

20 Maria Hammerlein and I am a Kerrville resident. I also

21 came from -- well, I hate to say but refer to as the

22 socialist county, Harris County. We got -- I got to

23 Harris County about 12 years ago. And it was still

24 being run by conservatives at the County level. And I

25 just want to let you know what's happened. Since --

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1 it's been -- well, since the Beto -- when he ran for

2 Governor -- I mean Senator, we totally -- it totally

3 went blue. Every -- almost every judge. All but two

4 County Commissioners. Now there's just one left. And

5 it's totally been taken over.

6 We went through Hurricane Harvey. We were

7 there all by ourselves like an island in the middle of

8 water. Since we left, they have had so many floods and

9 catastrophes and who's at the helm? Well, it's -- it's

10 a socialist Marxist Regime.

11 They have -- I can't really tell you how I

12 know this, but the regime that's there running elections

13 has been in collusion with the White House, taking the

14 people from the border into the areas where they know

15 they need the buffer. They need more votes.

16 What I'm telling you is that -- don't trust

17 them. Don't allow them to take one inch of space

18 because if they do, we will never get it back. Just

19 trying to tell what you happened there in my experience.

20 So thank God we're here. I'm a native Texan. I am

21 almost 40 percent Native American. And the rest is

22 Spanish.

23 I got here -- my family got here before

24 many, many that are here. My great-grandfather came

25 here to kill Indians. But he married one. So that's my

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1 heritage. I bleed Texas -- this is -- this is in my

2 blood. I can't even help it. I mean I cry. I weep

3 over this land. Don't just -- so I just want to

4 encourage you. You have our prayers. And we hope, you

5 know, that you'll do the right thing. Thank you. God

6 bless you.

7 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input? Yes,

8 sir?

9 MR. KARP: I too am from Colorado.

10 JUDGE KELLY: Identify yourself, please.

11 MR. KARP: Pardon?

12 JUDGE KELLY: Identify yourself. State your

13 name.

14 MR. KARP: I'm David Karp(phonetic) from

15 Kerrville. And as you can see how Colorado has turned

16 out. Now the Governor has made an Executive Order that

17 the hospitals don't even have to take ya, if you haven't

18 been vaccinated. I left that state. I loved it. I

19 lived there for a lot of years. But then it went over

20 the hill. And so now I'm in Texas.

21 And you know, Texas is not a state; it's a

22 way of life. And there's no reason to take this money.

23 I would urge you to give it back. Very seriously.

24 Thank you.

25 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you. Any other public

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1 input? Yes, ma'am?

2 MS. RADIAN: I recently moved -- my name is

3 Shandra Radian(phonetic), and I live at 220 Ranch Road

4 Drive in Hunt, Texas. And I moved here a week ago,

5 taking asylum from the State of Hawaii. They've been

6 totally bought out. And it's very fascist.

7 And like I'm a native Texan, and I love this

8 state with all my heart and soul. And I don't see how

9 you can accept this money with everyone -- I have seen

10 these people at the last two meetings. The one where it

11 was at the Youth Center, and after that, Liberty in

12 Action.

13 I don't see how in good conscious you can

14 take it with this level of public clarity and

15 confidence. It's a matter of conscience. This is what

16 our forefather's fought for. My father was a Marine in

17 Guadalcanal and he would flip out if he thought that

18 Kerrville was going to take this money. It is

19 definitely a trap.

20 If you read the fine print, there is no

21 doubt in my mind we're going to be forced to do things

22 we don't want to do. So whatever you paid out to hire a

23 few people to administer it, you can find some way to

24 refund it and change your mind like the other counties

25 have. Thank you.


What is the normal point of that kind of meeting? It seems as if it is just a way for insane people to rant at a judge who isn't allowed to reply?
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On July 09 2025 15:19 Simberto wrote:
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On July 09 2025 07:27 KwarK wrote:
https://legacy.co.kerr.tx.us/commcrt/minutes/2021/110821(CC).txt

Minutes from a 2021 meeting in Kerr County where at least 100 died in the flooding. It's fucking remarkable. The level of brainworms is off the charts. Demanding Kerr County turn down a bunch of Federal funding only to be hit with a natural disaster. Discussion of the funding wasn't even on the agenda, people just showed up and spent two hours saying shit like “I left the People's Republic of California".
JUDGE KELLY: Would you like to address the

6 public on something not on the agenda?

7 MR. WADE: The same thing she just

8 addressed. To send the money back to DC. Is that on

9 the agenda today?

10 JUDGE KELLY: No, sir. State your name and

11 your address.

12 MR. WADE: My name is Frank Wade, 175 Beaver

13 Road, Ingram, Texas. And I'm here to ask this Court

14 today to send this money back to the Biden

15 administration, which I consider to be the most criminal

16 treasonous communist government ever to hold the White

17 House. And Kerr County should not be accepting anything

18 from these people. They're currently facilitating an

19 invasion of our border, and we're going to support these

20 people? So that's what I have to say. Thank you.

21 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input?

22 Mr. King.

23 (Applause.)

24 JUDGE KELLY: Please, no applause. We're

25 here to listen. You may proceed, Mr. King.

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1 MR. KING: Thank you. Yeah, I'm here to --

2 to talk about the money, too. And I read on Thursday, I

3 believe it was of last week, we had the Commissioner

4 meeting out at the ag barn. And I read -- can you hand

5 me that, please? I want to read this again for

6 everybody. If y'all would bear with me.

7 This is Section 35.9 of the Treasury -- the

8 Treasury Department of the United States. This is

9 compliance with applicable laws and everyone needs to

10 hear that. Compliance with applicable laws for this

11 money that we, or y'all signed a contract for.

12 A recipient must comply with all other

13 applicable, excuse me, Federal statutes, regulations and

14 executive orders. And a recipient shall provide for

15 compliance within the American Rescue Plan Act this

16 subpart, and any interpretive guidance by other parties

17 in any agreement it enters into with other parties

18 relating to these funds.

19 Now, this goes on and it says that this --

20 they have -- in other words, they have the power that if

21 anybody screws this up, excuse my language, and messes

22 up the -- what do you say, the -- the --

23 UNIDENTIFIED VOICE: The conformance.

24 MR. KING: No. The distribution of this

25 money --

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1 JUDGE KELLY: No interruptions.

2 MR. KING: -- the distribution of these

3 monies, you make a mistake. Okay. Then what are they

4 going to -- what are they going to do if we make a

5 mistake and we're in non-compliance? Well, if they're

6 going by executive orders and any laws that they want to

7 make up, they can come in and take our homes. Is that

8 correct? They can do whatever they want to do. They

9 can make you take a vaccine. They can make you do this,

10 do that. This says anything, basically, in

11 non-compliance. And I want to ask you, Judge. And I'd

12 like a response, if you don't mind.

13 JUDGE KELLY: No, sir. This is the input

14 part of the meeting. Public input only. We are not

15 allowed to respond --

16 MR. KING: Okay.

17 JUDGE KELLY: -- by law.

18 MR. KING: Then I'm going to make a

19 statement. On Thursday of last week at the

20 Commissioners meeting, you made a statement that

21 everything was a rumor on this compliance law 35.9. And

22 you made a statement that you called, I believe, Mayor

23 Bonnie White --

24 JUDGE KELLY: No.

25 MR. KING: Maybe I got the name wrong. I

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1 don't know. But anyway, my point is this is in black

2 and white. These are the laws from the Federal

3 Government that apply to this contract that you have

4 signed. So you're putting all of us under a federal

5 mandate until 2026 when this could not be paid back.

6 And I -- you know, it's at some point I want to put on

7 the agenda that we talk about this, too, because --

8 JUDGE KELLY: Mr. King, your time is up.

9 MR. KING: Okay.

10 JUDGE KELLY: Please state your name and

11 address.

12 MS. CASEY: Good morning, Monday morning.

13 My name is Rita Casey, I live at 136 Upala Springs

14 Ranch. And I spent the weekend lining through the

15 guidelines and I'm only hear to ask questions. And I

16 know you can't answer them. But I'm going to just ask

17 questions, if that's okay.

18 I assume that you're all familiar with the

19 guidelines, and I assume that the County Attorney has

20 given advice on the guidelines and that you're

21 comfortable with it because you signed this. And since

22 I'm limited to three minutes, I have only three sections

23 but I'm going to have to skip to some -- what I think

24 are the most important. And what you signed -- this is

25 my understanding. That the Treasury IG and the GAO can

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1 access records electronically or otherwise in order to

2 conduct audits or other investments. I don't know if

3 that is what the County and the State does. Allow the

4 Federal Government access to investigate you by

5 electronically accessing your records? I don't know.

6 But it's in this contract that you signed.

7 I have to scratch some things.

8 Okay. We were told that this won't be

9 invested in any way by any Biden Executive Order.

10 That's true. Because a contract is with the Treasury

11 Department, and Yellen, the secretary, has reserved

12 rights to add additional regulations when necessary.

13 You'll find that in here. I think that's important.

14 Because I wouldn't sign a contract that somebody could

15 add to.

16 And I'm not going to -- when I talk I'm not

17 going to refer to any of the 35.9 or any IRS

18 regulations, though I did go check them. Like 602 GI or

19 602(c)(2)(A), because that would just bore everybody.

20 It bored me. And this is how -- this is how I see it.

21 I'm not a contract lawyer, but in a contract there's an

22 exchange of values between two people. So the Federal

23 Government is giving us money. And what are we giving

24 them? I think this is important. No direct or indirect

25 decrease in taxes. We all hope and pray for tax relief.

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1 And Bandera County just lowered their tax rate. We're

2 hoping the same thing to happen to us, but it won't

3 under this. And who determines what's indirect?

4 JUDGE KELLY: Miss Casey, your time is up.

5 MS. CASEY: Can I just finish this one

6 thought?

7 JUDGE KELLY: We've got enough people here

8 to speak. I think somebody else will cover it.

9 MS. CASEY: Can I -- where can I ask my

10 questions?

11 JUDGE KELLY: Not in the public input part.

12 MS. CASEY: Okay.

13 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input?

14 MS. KING: My name is Marcia King. I live

15 here in Kerrville. And I'm going to talk about the

16 American Rescue Plan Act. I want to read. When the

17 States and Counties and Cities accept the monies from

18 the American Rescue Plan Act, it comes with serious

19 strings attached. Whomever takes this money, they're

20 contractually obliged to adhere to mandatory

21 vaccinations of all their employees and also all

22 subcontractors and their employees.

23 Since these states and counties and cities

24 have signed the contract with the devil, it supersedes

25 an unconstitutional mandate. It is a contractual

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1 agreement. If the recipient doesn't follow these

2 mandates, they must give the money back and there also

3 may be some penalties.

4 And we've all read that in compliance with

5 applicable law and regulations. Recipients agrees to

6 comply with the requirements of Section 603 of the Act.

7 Regulations adopted by the Treasury pursuant to Texas

8 603 of the Act and guidance issued by the Treasury

9 regarding any of the foregoing, agrees and complies with

10 all the with all other applicable Federal statutes,

11 regulations and executive orders. It enters into with

12 other parties relating to this bribe, award, whatever

13 you want to call it.

14 Okay. The money can also be used to buy out

15 small businesses, which then becomes part of the State

16 owned takeover of our economy. Communist style. And as

17 they kill all the mom and pop businesses and supply

18 chain businesses, they can then mandate anything they

19 want because of the contractual terms of the funds

20 taken.

21 This replaces the free market with the

22 federal stimulus money. The Federal contractual

23 takeover of the private sector of all across America is

24 then combined with the mass vaccination mandates in all

25 sectors of society. The enormity of this evil is beyond

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1 belief. And it is only exceeded by our public officials

2 all too eager to take any money, no matter what the

3 consequence is.

4 It is clearly imperative that we tell our

5 county commissioners to get this dark money back and not

6 tie ourselves to endless rounds of forced testing,

7 contact tracing, quarantine and forced vaccinations.

8 This is clearly unconstitutional but uses this overlay

9 of the fact of contract law to push this agenda which

10 would not succeed with simple -- with simply a mandate.

11 This is clearly not in the best interest of the people.

12 Our local government and these -- if you

13 push back on -- in the strongest way. I ask you to send

14 the money back. Refund it. We don't need it here.

15 Thank you.

16 JUDGE KELLY: I see a hand in the back.

17 MS. CARSON: Hello. My name is Tamara

18 Carson, 241 Rock Bottom Road, Hunt, Texas.

19 I'm very concerned about the direction that

20 this could take us as a County. And I'm just asking

21 that you please use your wisdom and your knowledge and

22 understanding of the laws and please apply it to this.

23 I'm begging you.

24 We're landowners here. I was born and

25 raised in Texas. I went to high school in Ingram. And

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1 I'm currently running a ranch right now and all of this

2 will fall down on all of us. Tax is a heavy thing and I

3 know that there's strings attached to this. And I know

4 y'all know that too. And I'm just begging you, please,

5 don't accept this.

6 I understand if you've already went through

7 the process, but please just -- just take a second look,

8 please. That's all I want to say. Thank you.

9 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you. Yes, ma'am?

10 MS. KING: My name is Nickie King and I live

11 here in Kerrville. I'm also a Marine Corps veteran.

12 And I know that this -- we moved here from Virginia

13 because Kerrville was so pro veteran. And I know and I

14 remember the oath of office that I took when I entered

15 the Marine Corps. And it breaks my heart that we have

16 our State Governor and our State Attorney General is

17 fighting for us against the very mandates that may fall

18 within ARPA.

19 And I ask that you consider the fact that if

20 this goes through, and you handout so-called free money,

21 which my momma always told me nothing is free, that you

22 will then be, according to the government, you will then

23 be asking our local law enforcement to enforce those

24 mandates, and that I know at least Sheriff Leitha ran as

25 a constitutional Sheriff.

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1 So I ask that you reconsider accepting this

2 money, like all the previous speakers have said, and

3 send it back and let Kerrville take care of Kerrville.

4 There are numerous other counties that have rejected it.

5 And I honestly don't understand why Kerrville cannot do

6 the same. Thank you.

7 MS. HARSTON: Good morning. My name is

8 Suzanne Harston, I live at 531 Saddlewood Boulevard in

9 Kerrville. I am recently, in the last 13 years, come to

10 the great State of Texas. I left the People's Republic

11 of California back in 2005. I do not want to see

12 this -- this great state or this great county that I

13 live in move in that direction. So I'm begging you,

14 like the other speakers, please do not take this money.

15 JUDGE KELLY: Yes, ma'am?

16 MS. LEITNER: Hi. My name is Anke Leitner,

17 and I live in Ingram. And basically I would also ask

18 you not to accept that money since there are so many

19 strings attached to it.

20 Also, as you can see, a lot of your

21 residents do not support this choice. And in my

22 opinion, maybe you should have a public vote on that to

23 actually get the true statement of your voters on that

24 issue, and maybe reconsider what your actually voters

25 want and not a panel of four people or five people.

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1 Thank you.

2 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input? Go

3 ahead.

4 MR. REXACH: Good morning. I'm Joe Rexach,

5 I live at 277 Willow Bend Drive. I have more if you

6 need that. I've only been able to -- I've only

7 addressed you folks once before. But I believe you to

8 be good men. I don't believe you're our enemy. But I

9 do believe you're making a big mistake. I believe

10 you've missed what's being presented.

11 I actually last night did some reading.

12 This is hard to find, this material. This is -- this is

13 not -- and it's not surprising by the Brandon

14 administration -- and they've earned that name --

15 JUDGE KELLY: Come to order.

16 MR. REXACH: -- that there is not just lack

17 of transparency, but they're pulling the wool over our

18 eyes. If we see what's actually written, we make a

19 clear decision. This is wrong. Texas has been going in

20 the right direction. I moved from Washington State a

21 year ago. Washington is just falling lock step with

22 whatever this administration wants to do. And we're

23 watching with clarity the damage.

24 As far as COVID and the recovery money, the

25 majority of the damage has been caused by the

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1 government. We're doing well. I'm a retired

2 firefighter, EMS, love law enforcement. Do no harm is

3 going by the wayside from -- we're all familiar with

4 that. And it's heartfelt. But it's going by the

5 wayside for now what would be money that would go

6 against everything that we believe. Whatever good is in

7 it, I don't want it.

8 I -- I'm in agreement with my fellow

9 citizens. And I just thank you. But please reconsider

10 and look at the details of this. I know you're --

11 you're smart men. You've got -- you're good men.

12 Please look at this and reevaluate it. And I believe

13 when you look at it, as I'm now seeing much of this for

14 the first time, having sought it out, couldn't find it,

15 you're going to be in agreement. I think we're on the

16 same side. Thank you.

17 JUDGE KELLY: Yes, sir?

18 MR. PIPER: Good morning, gentlemen. Thanks

19 for hearing us out, Judge and Commissioners. I'm

20 Michael Piper. Kerrville resident all my life. Two

21 businesses I run in this City.

22 At the beginning of COVID they came out with

23 all these plans to help the business owner out and my

24 brother came to me and said, Michael, aren't you

25 applying for these loans? And I said well, there's

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1 three things. I said, there's always strings attached

2 with the government. I don't want to look my grandkids

3 in the face and say I spent your money. And -- excuse

4 me. It -- it was tough. I didn't take the money.

5 I didn't want to have to be answering to

6 anybody, you know. I've been a self-made guy. I don't

7 want to answer to anybody to run my businesses. I don't

8 want to pay nothing back. I -- I'm in a circumstance

9 right now where I'm debt free and I didn't want to do

10 it. It was tough.

11 But my businesses absolutely went broke.

12 I'll be honest with you about that. But I took it on

13 the chin of my thought, I worked my own kitchen by

14 myself for eight months. Let's stand up and do that

15 stuff. I'm not trying to pass anymore judgment on

16 anybody else. You can do what you want. If businesses

17 took the money, that's fine. They -- some of them

18 probably needed it. They probably had mortgages to pay,

19 but I didn't. I was in a unique circumstance. But we

20 can do it. We can do it without the Federal Government

21 patting us on the back going hey, good job, guys. You

22 took our money and now we've got our thumb on ya.

23 So reconsider, guys. I -- I know a lot of

24 you guys. I've spoke before you before and I know you

25 make really good judgment calls. And I -- I have all

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1 the faith in the world in y'all. Thank you very much.

2 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you. I see a hand in

3 the back.

4 MR. BOLES: My name is Rick Boles, 161 T Bar

5 Ranch Road, Mountain Home, Texas. I'm a third

6 generation farmer and rancher. I spent my life teaching

7 kids about agriculture and anybody who's spent any time

8 farming and ranching knows it's a hard row to hoe to

9 make ends meet.

10 And we -- I made a commitment to my

11 father-in-law, a ranch that's been in our family a

12 hundred years, and I made a commitment to him that I

13 would carry on a heritage. When we accept this

14 government money, what happens, I will not stand by and

15 let them take the ranch that we've worked a hundred

16 years for. And if that be the case, I plead with you do

17 not take this money. Thank you for hearing me.

18 JUDGE KELLY: Anyone else from the public?

19 Yes, sir?

20 MR. OAKS: Good morning. My name is Howard

21 Oaks(phonetic), I live at 714 Jackson Road, over by

22 Trinity Baptist Church. I've only been here a year. I

23 moved here a year ago from California. Thank God. And

24 it is right. People's Republic of California. This is

25 what happens to a state or a community when you

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1 constantly are in cahoots with the powers that be. With

2 the government.

3 California was the best state in the world

4 to live in 40 years ago. Low taxes. Great schools. It

5 was outstanding. I lived there since 1954. I want to

6 tell you that if you go the way California is, we're all

7 going to move to Florida.

8 So I just ask you respectfully, and this is

9 the first time I've ever spoken to a group like this,

10 but I have fought some fights in California for several

11 years trying to keep government at a minimum and keep

12 freedom alive. I appreciate your time. Thank you.

13 JUDGE KELLY: Yes, ma'am?

14 MS. HANNAH: Hello. My name is Katy Chapman

15 Hannah. I'm a registered nurse, and I live at 1343

16 Bandera Highway in Kerrville, Texas.

17 I happen to know that there is no such thing

18 as free money. It's never government-funded; it's

19 tax-payer funded. So they're taking our money and

20 they're putting strings attached to it and then they're

21 giving it back to us. And they're going to get their

22 foot in the door in this county. We don't want their

23 money. I feel like the people have spoken and I stand

24 with the people. Thank you for your time.

25 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input?

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1 Yes, ma'am?

2 MS. DEWELL: My name is Barbara Dewell. I

3 live in Kerrville. I think this is a great commission.

4 I think you guys have done -- made really, really good

5 decisions. And like one of the other speakers

6 mentioned, I do believe that this was a mistake.

7 Like some of the others, I moved here from

8 Colorado. Not California, but Colorado. But for the

9 exact same reason. I watched my state deteriorate. And

10 it continues to give in to Federal authority. Over all

11 kinds of aspects of our lives. We moved here and just

12 thank God for Texas. And I'd like to see it stay that

13 way.

14 I had never been involved in local politics

15 until I came here. But when we left Colorado I said, I

16 will get involved locally. I will not watch it happen

17 in another state without my having some input and saying

18 stop. This is where we draw the line. This is where we

19 hold the line. And I think all of you gentlemen here

20 want that, too. And I'm asking you to reconsider your

21 decision and send back the money. Keep Kerr County

22 free. Thank you.

23 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input? Yes,

24 sir?

25 MR. MOTLONG: My name is Josh Motlong. I

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1 reside at 1701 Quinlan Creek Drive. Thank you for --

2 JUDGE KELLY: I'm -- I'm sorry. I was

3 distracted by the clerk.

4 MRS. DOWDY: I apologize.

5 JUDGE KELLY: Could you please state your

6 name again?

7 MR. MOTLONG: Yeah, Josh Motlong.

8 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you.

9 MR. MOTLONG: Thank you gentlemen for

10 serving for what you do. I just want to add my voice to

11 my brothers and sisters here. And I feel that this

12 money has an open-ended unclear level of attachment to

13 the government. Strings they could pull. Changes they

14 could take on us if we were to take this money. I don't

15 think it's a safe or wise decision. I'd appreciate your

16 considering sending that money back and breaking our

17 ties with them. Thank you.

18 JUDGE KELLY: Any other input from the

19 public? Yes, ma'am?

20 MS. BEARD: I am Lillian Beard. I live at

21 120 Via Vista Drive in Kerrville. We have been in

22 Kerrville about four years this month. And we moved

23 here because Kerrville was a nice, conservative town

24 that didn't have strings with the Federal Government

25 that would stop us from keeping our homes, keeping our

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1 ranches, keeping our businesses.

2 I am an Army veteran. And from being in the

3 government, in the military, I know for sure that there

4 are strings attached to anything the government gives

5 you for free. Whether it appears so in the beginning,

6 it will come at you when you're least expecting it and

7 there will be nothing we can do about it. And please

8 send this money back.

9 We were on a trip in August. And we were

10 driving through Nebraska. And I was talking to a

11 gentleman at the convenience store and he asked me where

12 we were from. And I told him Texas. And he said, oh

13 good, that you guys will probably be the first state to

14 succeed from the union. And I said we just might do

15 that. And he said well, if you do, we're hoping that

16 you'll take Nebraska with us.

17 But if we keep this money and we have all

18 these strings attached, there won't be anybody to come

19 help us. There won't be anybody on our side. And like

20 I said, I told this gentleman, you know, you're more

21 than welcome to try Texas. We'll be glad to have you.

22 But not if things like this are happening. I feel like

23 I could call this gentleman and say stop. Don't ever

24 advocate for your state to go along with Texas. Thank

25 you, gentlemen.

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1 MRS. DOWDY: I have Terri Hall. Can we

2 start calling names on the list?

3 JUDGE KELLY: No, we cannot. Because those

4 are agenda items. These are not agenda items.

5 Yes, sir?

6 MR. FITCH: Good morning. My name is Bill

7 Fitch, I'm at 403 Forest Ridge Drive. And I just have

8 two things to say. And I'm quoting. And I know y'all

9 know who this is. The most terrifying words in the

10 English language are, I'm from the government and I'm

11 here to help you. Ronald Reagan. He also said

12 something that I don't remember him saying. If I put my

13 glasses on I'll be able to read it.

14 As government expands, liberty contracts.

15 And that's what's going to happen with this thing.

16 We're going to lose our liberties. I beg you, send this

17 money back. Thank you.

18 JUDGE KELLY: Yes?

19 MS. HAMMERLEIN: Good morning. My name is

20 Maria Hammerlein and I am a Kerrville resident. I also

21 came from -- well, I hate to say but refer to as the

22 socialist county, Harris County. We got -- I got to

23 Harris County about 12 years ago. And it was still

24 being run by conservatives at the County level. And I

25 just want to let you know what's happened. Since --

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1 it's been -- well, since the Beto -- when he ran for

2 Governor -- I mean Senator, we totally -- it totally

3 went blue. Every -- almost every judge. All but two

4 County Commissioners. Now there's just one left. And

5 it's totally been taken over.

6 We went through Hurricane Harvey. We were

7 there all by ourselves like an island in the middle of

8 water. Since we left, they have had so many floods and

9 catastrophes and who's at the helm? Well, it's -- it's

10 a socialist Marxist Regime.

11 They have -- I can't really tell you how I

12 know this, but the regime that's there running elections

13 has been in collusion with the White House, taking the

14 people from the border into the areas where they know

15 they need the buffer. They need more votes.

16 What I'm telling you is that -- don't trust

17 them. Don't allow them to take one inch of space

18 because if they do, we will never get it back. Just

19 trying to tell what you happened there in my experience.

20 So thank God we're here. I'm a native Texan. I am

21 almost 40 percent Native American. And the rest is

22 Spanish.

23 I got here -- my family got here before

24 many, many that are here. My great-grandfather came

25 here to kill Indians. But he married one. So that's my

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1 heritage. I bleed Texas -- this is -- this is in my

2 blood. I can't even help it. I mean I cry. I weep

3 over this land. Don't just -- so I just want to

4 encourage you. You have our prayers. And we hope, you

5 know, that you'll do the right thing. Thank you. God

6 bless you.

7 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input? Yes,

8 sir?

9 MR. KARP: I too am from Colorado.

10 JUDGE KELLY: Identify yourself, please.

11 MR. KARP: Pardon?

12 JUDGE KELLY: Identify yourself. State your

13 name.

14 MR. KARP: I'm David Karp(phonetic) from

15 Kerrville. And as you can see how Colorado has turned

16 out. Now the Governor has made an Executive Order that

17 the hospitals don't even have to take ya, if you haven't

18 been vaccinated. I left that state. I loved it. I

19 lived there for a lot of years. But then it went over

20 the hill. And so now I'm in Texas.

21 And you know, Texas is not a state; it's a

22 way of life. And there's no reason to take this money.

23 I would urge you to give it back. Very seriously.

24 Thank you.

25 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you. Any other public

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1 input? Yes, ma'am?

2 MS. RADIAN: I recently moved -- my name is

3 Shandra Radian(phonetic), and I live at 220 Ranch Road

4 Drive in Hunt, Texas. And I moved here a week ago,

5 taking asylum from the State of Hawaii. They've been

6 totally bought out. And it's very fascist.

7 And like I'm a native Texan, and I love this

8 state with all my heart and soul. And I don't see how

9 you can accept this money with everyone -- I have seen

10 these people at the last two meetings. The one where it

11 was at the Youth Center, and after that, Liberty in

12 Action.

13 I don't see how in good conscious you can

14 take it with this level of public clarity and

15 confidence. It's a matter of conscience. This is what

16 our forefather's fought for. My father was a Marine in

17 Guadalcanal and he would flip out if he thought that

18 Kerrville was going to take this money. It is

19 definitely a trap.

20 If you read the fine print, there is no

21 doubt in my mind we're going to be forced to do things

22 we don't want to do. So whatever you paid out to hire a

23 few people to administer it, you can find some way to

24 refund it and change your mind like the other counties

25 have. Thank you.


What is the normal point of that kind of meeting? It seems as if it is just a way for insane people to rant at a judge who isn't allowed to reply?

They had an agenda to discuss actual real things. The problem is that randos in incestuous facebook groups tell each other that they all need to show up to discuss the real issues like the Socialist Marxist weather manipulating Beto.
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10698 Posts
July 09 2025 08:10 GMT
#101774
On July 09 2025 08:44 Mohdoo wrote:

This is not a coincidence. It will be shrugged off as a design flaw or error, but its important for people to not give shit like this benefit of doubt.

The intention here is to normalize Nazi ideology/messaging while being able to hide behind "Its an AI, no one is accountable. I didn't say that, its an algorithm". The goal is to spread this ideology far and wide without accountability.


Yes, it's not coincidence, it's prompted. If you don't know the prompt it's hard to tell if someone "made" Grok say it by putting some effort in it or if Grok is like that in general.


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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5582 Posts
July 09 2025 08:12 GMT
#101775
On July 09 2025 08:44 Mohdoo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
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This is not a coincidence. It will be shrugged off as a design flaw or error, but its important for people to not give shit like this benefit of doubt.

The intention here is to normalize Nazi ideology/messaging while being able to hide behind "Its an AI, no one is accountable. I didn't say that, its an algorithm". The goal is to spread this ideology far and wide without accountability.

This was so intentional and goal-driven for spreading the ideology of MechaHitler that it was patched out hours ago.

Similarly, Bill Gates knew people would use Microsoft Word to type racist screeds, but he sold it to them anyway. And Microsoft has still never patched out that ability even with new leadership.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom984 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-09 08:18:55
July 09 2025 08:17 GMT
#101776
On July 09 2025 17:12 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2025 08:44 Mohdoo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


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This is not a coincidence. It will be shrugged off as a design flaw or error, but its important for people to not give shit like this benefit of doubt.

The intention here is to normalize Nazi ideology/messaging while being able to hide behind "Its an AI, no one is accountable. I didn't say that, its an algorithm". The goal is to spread this ideology far and wide without accountability.

This was so intentional and goal-driven for spreading the ideology of MechaHitler that it was patched out hours ago.

Similarly, Bill Gates knew people would use Microsoft Word to type racist screeds, but he sold it to them anyway. And Microsoft has still never patched out that ability even with new leadership.

Seems like a bad comparison.

People aren't asking Word for answers to ideological questions and taking the answers as fact.
"You have to play for yourself, you have to play to get better; you can't play to make other people happy, that's not gonna ever sustain you." - NonY
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany935 Posts
July 09 2025 08:50 GMT
#101777
On July 09 2025 17:17 MJG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2025 17:12 oBlade wrote:
On July 09 2025 08:44 Mohdoo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


[image loading]


[image loading]


This is not a coincidence. It will be shrugged off as a design flaw or error, but its important for people to not give shit like this benefit of doubt.

The intention here is to normalize Nazi ideology/messaging while being able to hide behind "Its an AI, no one is accountable. I didn't say that, its an algorithm". The goal is to spread this ideology far and wide without accountability.

This was so intentional and goal-driven for spreading the ideology of MechaHitler that it was patched out hours ago.

Similarly, Bill Gates knew people would use Microsoft Word to type racist screeds, but he sold it to them anyway. And Microsoft has still never patched out that ability even with new leadership.

Seems like a bad comparison.

People aren't asking Word for answers to ideological questions and taking the answers as fact.



By his "logic", anybody would be allowed to drop a 30 pound Nazi typewriter on oBlade's face from the 3rd floor. Because a typewrite is in essence just a little more complicated quill/feather, and dropping a feather on somebody will never be viewed as assault!

If Grok was a Nazi... typewr.. feather and ink:

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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
July 09 2025 08:53 GMT
#101778
On July 09 2025 16:14 KwarK wrote:
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On July 09 2025 15:19 Simberto wrote:
On July 09 2025 07:27 KwarK wrote:
https://legacy.co.kerr.tx.us/commcrt/minutes/2021/110821(CC).txt

Minutes from a 2021 meeting in Kerr County where at least 100 died in the flooding. It's fucking remarkable. The level of brainworms is off the charts. Demanding Kerr County turn down a bunch of Federal funding only to be hit with a natural disaster. Discussion of the funding wasn't even on the agenda, people just showed up and spent two hours saying shit like “I left the People's Republic of California".
JUDGE KELLY: Would you like to address the

6 public on something not on the agenda?

7 MR. WADE: The same thing she just

8 addressed. To send the money back to DC. Is that on

9 the agenda today?

10 JUDGE KELLY: No, sir. State your name and

11 your address.

12 MR. WADE: My name is Frank Wade, 175 Beaver

13 Road, Ingram, Texas. And I'm here to ask this Court

14 today to send this money back to the Biden

15 administration, which I consider to be the most criminal

16 treasonous communist government ever to hold the White

17 House. And Kerr County should not be accepting anything

18 from these people. They're currently facilitating an

19 invasion of our border, and we're going to support these

20 people? So that's what I have to say. Thank you.

21 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input?

22 Mr. King.

23 (Applause.)

24 JUDGE KELLY: Please, no applause. We're

25 here to listen. You may proceed, Mr. King.

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1 MR. KING: Thank you. Yeah, I'm here to --

2 to talk about the money, too. And I read on Thursday, I

3 believe it was of last week, we had the Commissioner

4 meeting out at the ag barn. And I read -- can you hand

5 me that, please? I want to read this again for

6 everybody. If y'all would bear with me.

7 This is Section 35.9 of the Treasury -- the

8 Treasury Department of the United States. This is

9 compliance with applicable laws and everyone needs to

10 hear that. Compliance with applicable laws for this

11 money that we, or y'all signed a contract for.

12 A recipient must comply with all other

13 applicable, excuse me, Federal statutes, regulations and

14 executive orders. And a recipient shall provide for

15 compliance within the American Rescue Plan Act this

16 subpart, and any interpretive guidance by other parties

17 in any agreement it enters into with other parties

18 relating to these funds.

19 Now, this goes on and it says that this --

20 they have -- in other words, they have the power that if

21 anybody screws this up, excuse my language, and messes

22 up the -- what do you say, the -- the --

23 UNIDENTIFIED VOICE: The conformance.

24 MR. KING: No. The distribution of this

25 money --

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1 JUDGE KELLY: No interruptions.

2 MR. KING: -- the distribution of these

3 monies, you make a mistake. Okay. Then what are they

4 going to -- what are they going to do if we make a

5 mistake and we're in non-compliance? Well, if they're

6 going by executive orders and any laws that they want to

7 make up, they can come in and take our homes. Is that

8 correct? They can do whatever they want to do. They

9 can make you take a vaccine. They can make you do this,

10 do that. This says anything, basically, in

11 non-compliance. And I want to ask you, Judge. And I'd

12 like a response, if you don't mind.

13 JUDGE KELLY: No, sir. This is the input

14 part of the meeting. Public input only. We are not

15 allowed to respond --

16 MR. KING: Okay.

17 JUDGE KELLY: -- by law.

18 MR. KING: Then I'm going to make a

19 statement. On Thursday of last week at the

20 Commissioners meeting, you made a statement that

21 everything was a rumor on this compliance law 35.9. And

22 you made a statement that you called, I believe, Mayor

23 Bonnie White --

24 JUDGE KELLY: No.

25 MR. KING: Maybe I got the name wrong. I

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1 don't know. But anyway, my point is this is in black

2 and white. These are the laws from the Federal

3 Government that apply to this contract that you have

4 signed. So you're putting all of us under a federal

5 mandate until 2026 when this could not be paid back.

6 And I -- you know, it's at some point I want to put on

7 the agenda that we talk about this, too, because --

8 JUDGE KELLY: Mr. King, your time is up.

9 MR. KING: Okay.

10 JUDGE KELLY: Please state your name and

11 address.

12 MS. CASEY: Good morning, Monday morning.

13 My name is Rita Casey, I live at 136 Upala Springs

14 Ranch. And I spent the weekend lining through the

15 guidelines and I'm only hear to ask questions. And I

16 know you can't answer them. But I'm going to just ask

17 questions, if that's okay.

18 I assume that you're all familiar with the

19 guidelines, and I assume that the County Attorney has

20 given advice on the guidelines and that you're

21 comfortable with it because you signed this. And since

22 I'm limited to three minutes, I have only three sections

23 but I'm going to have to skip to some -- what I think

24 are the most important. And what you signed -- this is

25 my understanding. That the Treasury IG and the GAO can

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1 access records electronically or otherwise in order to

2 conduct audits or other investments. I don't know if

3 that is what the County and the State does. Allow the

4 Federal Government access to investigate you by

5 electronically accessing your records? I don't know.

6 But it's in this contract that you signed.

7 I have to scratch some things.

8 Okay. We were told that this won't be

9 invested in any way by any Biden Executive Order.

10 That's true. Because a contract is with the Treasury

11 Department, and Yellen, the secretary, has reserved

12 rights to add additional regulations when necessary.

13 You'll find that in here. I think that's important.

14 Because I wouldn't sign a contract that somebody could

15 add to.

16 And I'm not going to -- when I talk I'm not

17 going to refer to any of the 35.9 or any IRS

18 regulations, though I did go check them. Like 602 GI or

19 602(c)(2)(A), because that would just bore everybody.

20 It bored me. And this is how -- this is how I see it.

21 I'm not a contract lawyer, but in a contract there's an

22 exchange of values between two people. So the Federal

23 Government is giving us money. And what are we giving

24 them? I think this is important. No direct or indirect

25 decrease in taxes. We all hope and pray for tax relief.

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1 And Bandera County just lowered their tax rate. We're

2 hoping the same thing to happen to us, but it won't

3 under this. And who determines what's indirect?

4 JUDGE KELLY: Miss Casey, your time is up.

5 MS. CASEY: Can I just finish this one

6 thought?

7 JUDGE KELLY: We've got enough people here

8 to speak. I think somebody else will cover it.

9 MS. CASEY: Can I -- where can I ask my

10 questions?

11 JUDGE KELLY: Not in the public input part.

12 MS. CASEY: Okay.

13 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input?

14 MS. KING: My name is Marcia King. I live

15 here in Kerrville. And I'm going to talk about the

16 American Rescue Plan Act. I want to read. When the

17 States and Counties and Cities accept the monies from

18 the American Rescue Plan Act, it comes with serious

19 strings attached. Whomever takes this money, they're

20 contractually obliged to adhere to mandatory

21 vaccinations of all their employees and also all

22 subcontractors and their employees.

23 Since these states and counties and cities

24 have signed the contract with the devil, it supersedes

25 an unconstitutional mandate. It is a contractual

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1 agreement. If the recipient doesn't follow these

2 mandates, they must give the money back and there also

3 may be some penalties.

4 And we've all read that in compliance with

5 applicable law and regulations. Recipients agrees to

6 comply with the requirements of Section 603 of the Act.

7 Regulations adopted by the Treasury pursuant to Texas

8 603 of the Act and guidance issued by the Treasury

9 regarding any of the foregoing, agrees and complies with

10 all the with all other applicable Federal statutes,

11 regulations and executive orders. It enters into with

12 other parties relating to this bribe, award, whatever

13 you want to call it.

14 Okay. The money can also be used to buy out

15 small businesses, which then becomes part of the State

16 owned takeover of our economy. Communist style. And as

17 they kill all the mom and pop businesses and supply

18 chain businesses, they can then mandate anything they

19 want because of the contractual terms of the funds

20 taken.

21 This replaces the free market with the

22 federal stimulus money. The Federal contractual

23 takeover of the private sector of all across America is

24 then combined with the mass vaccination mandates in all

25 sectors of society. The enormity of this evil is beyond

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1 belief. And it is only exceeded by our public officials

2 all too eager to take any money, no matter what the

3 consequence is.

4 It is clearly imperative that we tell our

5 county commissioners to get this dark money back and not

6 tie ourselves to endless rounds of forced testing,

7 contact tracing, quarantine and forced vaccinations.

8 This is clearly unconstitutional but uses this overlay

9 of the fact of contract law to push this agenda which

10 would not succeed with simple -- with simply a mandate.

11 This is clearly not in the best interest of the people.

12 Our local government and these -- if you

13 push back on -- in the strongest way. I ask you to send

14 the money back. Refund it. We don't need it here.

15 Thank you.

16 JUDGE KELLY: I see a hand in the back.

17 MS. CARSON: Hello. My name is Tamara

18 Carson, 241 Rock Bottom Road, Hunt, Texas.

19 I'm very concerned about the direction that

20 this could take us as a County. And I'm just asking

21 that you please use your wisdom and your knowledge and

22 understanding of the laws and please apply it to this.

23 I'm begging you.

24 We're landowners here. I was born and

25 raised in Texas. I went to high school in Ingram. And

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1 I'm currently running a ranch right now and all of this

2 will fall down on all of us. Tax is a heavy thing and I

3 know that there's strings attached to this. And I know

4 y'all know that too. And I'm just begging you, please,

5 don't accept this.

6 I understand if you've already went through

7 the process, but please just -- just take a second look,

8 please. That's all I want to say. Thank you.

9 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you. Yes, ma'am?

10 MS. KING: My name is Nickie King and I live

11 here in Kerrville. I'm also a Marine Corps veteran.

12 And I know that this -- we moved here from Virginia

13 because Kerrville was so pro veteran. And I know and I

14 remember the oath of office that I took when I entered

15 the Marine Corps. And it breaks my heart that we have

16 our State Governor and our State Attorney General is

17 fighting for us against the very mandates that may fall

18 within ARPA.

19 And I ask that you consider the fact that if

20 this goes through, and you handout so-called free money,

21 which my momma always told me nothing is free, that you

22 will then be, according to the government, you will then

23 be asking our local law enforcement to enforce those

24 mandates, and that I know at least Sheriff Leitha ran as

25 a constitutional Sheriff.

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1 So I ask that you reconsider accepting this

2 money, like all the previous speakers have said, and

3 send it back and let Kerrville take care of Kerrville.

4 There are numerous other counties that have rejected it.

5 And I honestly don't understand why Kerrville cannot do

6 the same. Thank you.

7 MS. HARSTON: Good morning. My name is

8 Suzanne Harston, I live at 531 Saddlewood Boulevard in

9 Kerrville. I am recently, in the last 13 years, come to

10 the great State of Texas. I left the People's Republic

11 of California back in 2005. I do not want to see

12 this -- this great state or this great county that I

13 live in move in that direction. So I'm begging you,

14 like the other speakers, please do not take this money.

15 JUDGE KELLY: Yes, ma'am?

16 MS. LEITNER: Hi. My name is Anke Leitner,

17 and I live in Ingram. And basically I would also ask

18 you not to accept that money since there are so many

19 strings attached to it.

20 Also, as you can see, a lot of your

21 residents do not support this choice. And in my

22 opinion, maybe you should have a public vote on that to

23 actually get the true statement of your voters on that

24 issue, and maybe reconsider what your actually voters

25 want and not a panel of four people or five people.

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1 Thank you.

2 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input? Go

3 ahead.

4 MR. REXACH: Good morning. I'm Joe Rexach,

5 I live at 277 Willow Bend Drive. I have more if you

6 need that. I've only been able to -- I've only

7 addressed you folks once before. But I believe you to

8 be good men. I don't believe you're our enemy. But I

9 do believe you're making a big mistake. I believe

10 you've missed what's being presented.

11 I actually last night did some reading.

12 This is hard to find, this material. This is -- this is

13 not -- and it's not surprising by the Brandon

14 administration -- and they've earned that name --

15 JUDGE KELLY: Come to order.

16 MR. REXACH: -- that there is not just lack

17 of transparency, but they're pulling the wool over our

18 eyes. If we see what's actually written, we make a

19 clear decision. This is wrong. Texas has been going in

20 the right direction. I moved from Washington State a

21 year ago. Washington is just falling lock step with

22 whatever this administration wants to do. And we're

23 watching with clarity the damage.

24 As far as COVID and the recovery money, the

25 majority of the damage has been caused by the

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1 government. We're doing well. I'm a retired

2 firefighter, EMS, love law enforcement. Do no harm is

3 going by the wayside from -- we're all familiar with

4 that. And it's heartfelt. But it's going by the

5 wayside for now what would be money that would go

6 against everything that we believe. Whatever good is in

7 it, I don't want it.

8 I -- I'm in agreement with my fellow

9 citizens. And I just thank you. But please reconsider

10 and look at the details of this. I know you're --

11 you're smart men. You've got -- you're good men.

12 Please look at this and reevaluate it. And I believe

13 when you look at it, as I'm now seeing much of this for

14 the first time, having sought it out, couldn't find it,

15 you're going to be in agreement. I think we're on the

16 same side. Thank you.

17 JUDGE KELLY: Yes, sir?

18 MR. PIPER: Good morning, gentlemen. Thanks

19 for hearing us out, Judge and Commissioners. I'm

20 Michael Piper. Kerrville resident all my life. Two

21 businesses I run in this City.

22 At the beginning of COVID they came out with

23 all these plans to help the business owner out and my

24 brother came to me and said, Michael, aren't you

25 applying for these loans? And I said well, there's

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1 three things. I said, there's always strings attached

2 with the government. I don't want to look my grandkids

3 in the face and say I spent your money. And -- excuse

4 me. It -- it was tough. I didn't take the money.

5 I didn't want to have to be answering to

6 anybody, you know. I've been a self-made guy. I don't

7 want to answer to anybody to run my businesses. I don't

8 want to pay nothing back. I -- I'm in a circumstance

9 right now where I'm debt free and I didn't want to do

10 it. It was tough.

11 But my businesses absolutely went broke.

12 I'll be honest with you about that. But I took it on

13 the chin of my thought, I worked my own kitchen by

14 myself for eight months. Let's stand up and do that

15 stuff. I'm not trying to pass anymore judgment on

16 anybody else. You can do what you want. If businesses

17 took the money, that's fine. They -- some of them

18 probably needed it. They probably had mortgages to pay,

19 but I didn't. I was in a unique circumstance. But we

20 can do it. We can do it without the Federal Government

21 patting us on the back going hey, good job, guys. You

22 took our money and now we've got our thumb on ya.

23 So reconsider, guys. I -- I know a lot of

24 you guys. I've spoke before you before and I know you

25 make really good judgment calls. And I -- I have all

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1 the faith in the world in y'all. Thank you very much.

2 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you. I see a hand in

3 the back.

4 MR. BOLES: My name is Rick Boles, 161 T Bar

5 Ranch Road, Mountain Home, Texas. I'm a third

6 generation farmer and rancher. I spent my life teaching

7 kids about agriculture and anybody who's spent any time

8 farming and ranching knows it's a hard row to hoe to

9 make ends meet.

10 And we -- I made a commitment to my

11 father-in-law, a ranch that's been in our family a

12 hundred years, and I made a commitment to him that I

13 would carry on a heritage. When we accept this

14 government money, what happens, I will not stand by and

15 let them take the ranch that we've worked a hundred

16 years for. And if that be the case, I plead with you do

17 not take this money. Thank you for hearing me.

18 JUDGE KELLY: Anyone else from the public?

19 Yes, sir?

20 MR. OAKS: Good morning. My name is Howard

21 Oaks(phonetic), I live at 714 Jackson Road, over by

22 Trinity Baptist Church. I've only been here a year. I

23 moved here a year ago from California. Thank God. And

24 it is right. People's Republic of California. This is

25 what happens to a state or a community when you

26



1 constantly are in cahoots with the powers that be. With

2 the government.

3 California was the best state in the world

4 to live in 40 years ago. Low taxes. Great schools. It

5 was outstanding. I lived there since 1954. I want to

6 tell you that if you go the way California is, we're all

7 going to move to Florida.

8 So I just ask you respectfully, and this is

9 the first time I've ever spoken to a group like this,

10 but I have fought some fights in California for several

11 years trying to keep government at a minimum and keep

12 freedom alive. I appreciate your time. Thank you.

13 JUDGE KELLY: Yes, ma'am?

14 MS. HANNAH: Hello. My name is Katy Chapman

15 Hannah. I'm a registered nurse, and I live at 1343

16 Bandera Highway in Kerrville, Texas.

17 I happen to know that there is no such thing

18 as free money. It's never government-funded; it's

19 tax-payer funded. So they're taking our money and

20 they're putting strings attached to it and then they're

21 giving it back to us. And they're going to get their

22 foot in the door in this county. We don't want their

23 money. I feel like the people have spoken and I stand

24 with the people. Thank you for your time.

25 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input?

27



1 Yes, ma'am?

2 MS. DEWELL: My name is Barbara Dewell. I

3 live in Kerrville. I think this is a great commission.

4 I think you guys have done -- made really, really good

5 decisions. And like one of the other speakers

6 mentioned, I do believe that this was a mistake.

7 Like some of the others, I moved here from

8 Colorado. Not California, but Colorado. But for the

9 exact same reason. I watched my state deteriorate. And

10 it continues to give in to Federal authority. Over all

11 kinds of aspects of our lives. We moved here and just

12 thank God for Texas. And I'd like to see it stay that

13 way.

14 I had never been involved in local politics

15 until I came here. But when we left Colorado I said, I

16 will get involved locally. I will not watch it happen

17 in another state without my having some input and saying

18 stop. This is where we draw the line. This is where we

19 hold the line. And I think all of you gentlemen here

20 want that, too. And I'm asking you to reconsider your

21 decision and send back the money. Keep Kerr County

22 free. Thank you.

23 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input? Yes,

24 sir?

25 MR. MOTLONG: My name is Josh Motlong. I

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1 reside at 1701 Quinlan Creek Drive. Thank you for --

2 JUDGE KELLY: I'm -- I'm sorry. I was

3 distracted by the clerk.

4 MRS. DOWDY: I apologize.

5 JUDGE KELLY: Could you please state your

6 name again?

7 MR. MOTLONG: Yeah, Josh Motlong.

8 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you.

9 MR. MOTLONG: Thank you gentlemen for

10 serving for what you do. I just want to add my voice to

11 my brothers and sisters here. And I feel that this

12 money has an open-ended unclear level of attachment to

13 the government. Strings they could pull. Changes they

14 could take on us if we were to take this money. I don't

15 think it's a safe or wise decision. I'd appreciate your

16 considering sending that money back and breaking our

17 ties with them. Thank you.

18 JUDGE KELLY: Any other input from the

19 public? Yes, ma'am?

20 MS. BEARD: I am Lillian Beard. I live at

21 120 Via Vista Drive in Kerrville. We have been in

22 Kerrville about four years this month. And we moved

23 here because Kerrville was a nice, conservative town

24 that didn't have strings with the Federal Government

25 that would stop us from keeping our homes, keeping our

29



1 ranches, keeping our businesses.

2 I am an Army veteran. And from being in the

3 government, in the military, I know for sure that there

4 are strings attached to anything the government gives

5 you for free. Whether it appears so in the beginning,

6 it will come at you when you're least expecting it and

7 there will be nothing we can do about it. And please

8 send this money back.

9 We were on a trip in August. And we were

10 driving through Nebraska. And I was talking to a

11 gentleman at the convenience store and he asked me where

12 we were from. And I told him Texas. And he said, oh

13 good, that you guys will probably be the first state to

14 succeed from the union. And I said we just might do

15 that. And he said well, if you do, we're hoping that

16 you'll take Nebraska with us.

17 But if we keep this money and we have all

18 these strings attached, there won't be anybody to come

19 help us. There won't be anybody on our side. And like

20 I said, I told this gentleman, you know, you're more

21 than welcome to try Texas. We'll be glad to have you.

22 But not if things like this are happening. I feel like

23 I could call this gentleman and say stop. Don't ever

24 advocate for your state to go along with Texas. Thank

25 you, gentlemen.

30



1 MRS. DOWDY: I have Terri Hall. Can we

2 start calling names on the list?

3 JUDGE KELLY: No, we cannot. Because those

4 are agenda items. These are not agenda items.

5 Yes, sir?

6 MR. FITCH: Good morning. My name is Bill

7 Fitch, I'm at 403 Forest Ridge Drive. And I just have

8 two things to say. And I'm quoting. And I know y'all

9 know who this is. The most terrifying words in the

10 English language are, I'm from the government and I'm

11 here to help you. Ronald Reagan. He also said

12 something that I don't remember him saying. If I put my

13 glasses on I'll be able to read it.

14 As government expands, liberty contracts.

15 And that's what's going to happen with this thing.

16 We're going to lose our liberties. I beg you, send this

17 money back. Thank you.

18 JUDGE KELLY: Yes?

19 MS. HAMMERLEIN: Good morning. My name is

20 Maria Hammerlein and I am a Kerrville resident. I also

21 came from -- well, I hate to say but refer to as the

22 socialist county, Harris County. We got -- I got to

23 Harris County about 12 years ago. And it was still

24 being run by conservatives at the County level. And I

25 just want to let you know what's happened. Since --

31



1 it's been -- well, since the Beto -- when he ran for

2 Governor -- I mean Senator, we totally -- it totally

3 went blue. Every -- almost every judge. All but two

4 County Commissioners. Now there's just one left. And

5 it's totally been taken over.

6 We went through Hurricane Harvey. We were

7 there all by ourselves like an island in the middle of

8 water. Since we left, they have had so many floods and

9 catastrophes and who's at the helm? Well, it's -- it's

10 a socialist Marxist Regime.

11 They have -- I can't really tell you how I

12 know this, but the regime that's there running elections

13 has been in collusion with the White House, taking the

14 people from the border into the areas where they know

15 they need the buffer. They need more votes.

16 What I'm telling you is that -- don't trust

17 them. Don't allow them to take one inch of space

18 because if they do, we will never get it back. Just

19 trying to tell what you happened there in my experience.

20 So thank God we're here. I'm a native Texan. I am

21 almost 40 percent Native American. And the rest is

22 Spanish.

23 I got here -- my family got here before

24 many, many that are here. My great-grandfather came

25 here to kill Indians. But he married one. So that's my

32



1 heritage. I bleed Texas -- this is -- this is in my

2 blood. I can't even help it. I mean I cry. I weep

3 over this land. Don't just -- so I just want to

4 encourage you. You have our prayers. And we hope, you

5 know, that you'll do the right thing. Thank you. God

6 bless you.

7 JUDGE KELLY: Any other public input? Yes,

8 sir?

9 MR. KARP: I too am from Colorado.

10 JUDGE KELLY: Identify yourself, please.

11 MR. KARP: Pardon?

12 JUDGE KELLY: Identify yourself. State your

13 name.

14 MR. KARP: I'm David Karp(phonetic) from

15 Kerrville. And as you can see how Colorado has turned

16 out. Now the Governor has made an Executive Order that

17 the hospitals don't even have to take ya, if you haven't

18 been vaccinated. I left that state. I loved it. I

19 lived there for a lot of years. But then it went over

20 the hill. And so now I'm in Texas.

21 And you know, Texas is not a state; it's a

22 way of life. And there's no reason to take this money.

23 I would urge you to give it back. Very seriously.

24 Thank you.

25 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you. Any other public

33



1 input? Yes, ma'am?

2 MS. RADIAN: I recently moved -- my name is

3 Shandra Radian(phonetic), and I live at 220 Ranch Road

4 Drive in Hunt, Texas. And I moved here a week ago,

5 taking asylum from the State of Hawaii. They've been

6 totally bought out. And it's very fascist.

7 And like I'm a native Texan, and I love this

8 state with all my heart and soul. And I don't see how

9 you can accept this money with everyone -- I have seen

10 these people at the last two meetings. The one where it

11 was at the Youth Center, and after that, Liberty in

12 Action.

13 I don't see how in good conscious you can

14 take it with this level of public clarity and

15 confidence. It's a matter of conscience. This is what

16 our forefather's fought for. My father was a Marine in

17 Guadalcanal and he would flip out if he thought that

18 Kerrville was going to take this money. It is

19 definitely a trap.

20 If you read the fine print, there is no

21 doubt in my mind we're going to be forced to do things

22 we don't want to do. So whatever you paid out to hire a

23 few people to administer it, you can find some way to

24 refund it and change your mind like the other counties

25 have. Thank you.


What is the normal point of that kind of meeting? It seems as if it is just a way for insane people to rant at a judge who isn't allowed to reply?

They had an agenda to discuss actual real things. The problem is that randos in incestuous facebook groups tell each other that they all need to show up to discuss the real issues like the Socialist Marxist weather manipulating Beto.


The infamous Alabama against Obama group chat.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44276 Posts
July 09 2025 09:39 GMT
#101779
On July 09 2025 15:01 EnDeR_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2025 12:47 Fleetfeet wrote:
The first I heard of that flood was from the most conspiracy-pilled person I know, and the story from them was that it was a targeted attack via weather manipulation on the children in this camp, who are the children of right-wing (or christian, it was unclear) influencers.

Their support for this claim was patents in the '60s for weather manipulation.


Is this why MTG is introducing her anti-weather modification bill?


Yes. She's a lunatic conspiracy theorist.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-shoots-marjorie-taylor-greenes-ridiculous-conspiracy-theory-cont-rcna174710
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25195 Posts
July 09 2025 10:02 GMT
#101780
On July 09 2025 17:10 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2025 08:44 Mohdoo wrote:

This is not a coincidence. It will be shrugged off as a design flaw or error, but its important for people to not give shit like this benefit of doubt.

The intention here is to normalize Nazi ideology/messaging while being able to hide behind "Its an AI, no one is accountable. I didn't say that, its an algorithm". The goal is to spread this ideology far and wide without accountability.


Yes, it's not coincidence, it's prompted. If you don't know the prompt it's hard to tell if someone "made" Grok say it by putting some effort in it or if Grok is like that in general.


I don't use Twitter, you should not too.

I’d be less concerned by an LLM sticking out weird nonsense than that people are using them for everything these days seemingly.

Also that at least in this case, you just know Musk has probably seen it and gone ‘haha le epic memeage’ and doesn’t give a shit about addressing such things. Indeed, may actually favour them
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