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Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8505 Posts
July 09 2025 10:22 GMT
#101781
On July 09 2025 18:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2025 15:01 EnDeR_ wrote:
On July 09 2025 12:47 Fleetfeet wrote:
The first I heard of that flood was from the most conspiracy-pilled person I know, and the story from them was that it was a targeted attack via weather manipulation on the children in this camp, who are the children of right-wing (or christian, it was unclear) influencers.

Their support for this claim was patents in the '60s for weather manipulation.


Is this why MTG is introducing her anti-weather modification bill?


Yes. She's a lunatic conspiracy theorist.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-shoots-marjorie-taylor-greenes-ridiculous-conspiracy-theory-cont-rcna174710


she knows her lane and how to service it.

gotta respect the demon hustle. though I really wonder if she actually believes even half the shit she says to reach the voters she intends to.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9193 Posts
July 09 2025 10:33 GMT
#101782
Recently Grok started cyberbullying an important politician in my country too and one of our ministers said blocking or otherwise punishing X for hate speech in Poland or the whole EU is an option. Would be hilarious if America and Europe started another trade war because of some AI shitposting.
You're now breathing manually
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom984 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-09 10:54:30
July 09 2025 10:49 GMT
#101783
"Trump delays tariffs as the rest of the world plays hardball"

Trump's "Liberation Day" didn't quite work out as he planned.

TACO in full force.

EDIT:

On July 09 2025 19:33 Sent. wrote:
Recently Grok started cyberbullying an important politician in my country too and one of our ministers said blocking or otherwise punishing X for hate speech in Poland or the whole EU is an option. Would be hilarious if America and Europe started another trade war because of some AI shitposting.

Fortunately, we don't need to worry about Trump actually going through with a trade war because TACO.
"You have to play for yourself, you have to play to get better; you can't play to make other people happy, that's not gonna ever sustain you." - NonY
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia583 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-09 11:54:39
July 09 2025 11:53 GMT
#101784
The issue is not if someone got a prompt that got Grok to praise Hitler or cosplay as MechaHitler, it's that Musk specifically said they are reworking it to make it "less woke" and a week later the AI started with this unhinged shit, if this was possible before the right wing lobotomy someone would have already done it in order to "dunk" on Musk, especially after the inauguration K-Pop gesture.

The insane part is that Musk is such a narcissist who obviously honestly buys his own bullshit so he personally participated in the re-tuning of Grok as evidenced by the idiotic "mecha-" phrasing which is something that Musk thinks is funny, same as just general Nazi jokes.

He took a bunch of hardware from Tesla and diverted it to xAI, this hardware could have been used to actually help with the self driving of Tesla taxis which was supposed to be the "next big thing" for Tesla but has largely been a pretty big flop, but none of that matters to investors or Tesla board, the stock is up, he's still in the driving seat, it's so illogical and stupid that it's honestly hard to comprehend.

Just like it's super depressing that a malignant narcissist moron Trump is the most powerful person in the world and millions of lives change at his whims, so is that this absolute technically inept moron is the richest person in the world.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44276 Posts
July 09 2025 12:23 GMT
#101785
Even the Babylon Bee - the conservative attempt at satirical news - is pushing back on Trump's dismissal of Epstein's client list: https://babylonbee.com/news/there-is-no-epstein-client-list-say-epsteins-clients/
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
July 09 2025 12:57 GMT
#101786
On July 09 2025 21:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Even the Babylon Bee - the conservative attempt at satirical news - is pushing back on Trump's dismissal of Epstein's client list: https://babylonbee.com/news/there-is-no-epstein-client-list-say-epsteins-clients/

The gaslighting around Epstein is going to be something for the history books.

Releasing a video of (not) his cell with a missing minute (with a marginally plausible explanation) is top tier trolling.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21666 Posts
July 09 2025 13:02 GMT
#101787
On July 09 2025 21:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Even the Babylon Bee - the conservative attempt at satirical news - is pushing back on Trump's dismissal of Epstein's client list: https://babylonbee.com/news/there-is-no-epstein-client-list-say-epsteins-clients/
give it a few days before they get back in line and start defending it. Happens every time.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5582 Posts
July 09 2025 13:35 GMT
#101788
On July 09 2025 22:02 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2025 21:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Even the Babylon Bee - the conservative attempt at satirical news - is pushing back on Trump's dismissal of Epstein's client list: https://babylonbee.com/news/there-is-no-epstein-client-list-say-epsteins-clients/
give it a few days before they get back in line and start defending it. Happens every time.

What were the last 2 times it happened?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21666 Posts
July 09 2025 13:53 GMT
#101789
The US Should not go to war with Iran.
Trump goes to war
Woo best thing ever, nobel peace price.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1450 Posts
July 09 2025 14:18 GMT
#101790
On July 09 2025 22:02 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2025 21:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Even the Babylon Bee - the conservative attempt at satirical news - is pushing back on Trump's dismissal of Epstein's client list: https://babylonbee.com/news/there-is-no-epstein-client-list-say-epsteins-clients/
give it a few days before they get back in line and start defending it. Happens every time.


Trump's going to pardon Ghislaine Maxwell. Half of conservatives will be outraged for a day or two (the length of their attention span), half of conservatives will trip over themselves to praise Trump for being brave enough to finally end this controversy.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
July 09 2025 14:26 GMT
#101791
On July 09 2025 17:12 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2025 08:44 Mohdoo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


[image loading]


[image loading]


This is not a coincidence. It will be shrugged off as a design flaw or error, but its important for people to not give shit like this benefit of doubt.

The intention here is to normalize Nazi ideology/messaging while being able to hide behind "Its an AI, no one is accountable. I didn't say that, its an algorithm". The goal is to spread this ideology far and wide without accountability.

This was so intentional and goal-driven for spreading the ideology of MechaHitler that it was patched out hours ago.

Similarly, Bill Gates knew people would use Microsoft Word to type racist screeds, but he sold it to them anyway. And Microsoft has still never patched out that ability even with new leadership.


Do you see any potential connection between Musk declaring Grok needs to be less woke, and then suddenly Grok is providing extremely Nazi answers?
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5582 Posts
July 09 2025 16:31 GMT
#101792
On July 09 2025 23:26 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2025 17:12 oBlade wrote:
On July 09 2025 08:44 Mohdoo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


[image loading]


[image loading]


This is not a coincidence. It will be shrugged off as a design flaw or error, but its important for people to not give shit like this benefit of doubt.

The intention here is to normalize Nazi ideology/messaging while being able to hide behind "Its an AI, no one is accountable. I didn't say that, its an algorithm". The goal is to spread this ideology far and wide without accountability.

This was so intentional and goal-driven for spreading the ideology of MechaHitler that it was patched out hours ago.

Similarly, Bill Gates knew people would use Microsoft Word to type racist screeds, but he sold it to them anyway. And Microsoft has still never patched out that ability even with new leadership.


Do you see any potential connection between Musk declaring Grok needs to be less woke, and then suddenly Grok is providing extremely Nazi answers?

Yeah. Before, if you asked it to pretend it was MechaHitler, it might have just said no instead. Now why would someone who wants to spread MechaNaziism as wide as possible delete the posts and retune the bot again?

On July 09 2025 22:53 Gorsameth wrote:
The US Should not go to war with Iran.
Trump goes to war
Woo best thing ever, nobel peace price.

I searched the Bee's site for Nobel and didn't find any articles leaving me with that impression on that timeline. Unless you want to show what you saw, now I'm mostly sure I made a mistake and when you said "they" you weren't actually making a claim referring to what you know about the Bee, you were just venting generally by othering and "they" is your fill-in for the enemy blob.

But to your straw "they," one reason someone might be loath to criticize Trump after the infamous 14-Bomb-War despite opposing intervention in general is they were simply convinced by it that they were wrong because they can see the fruits of what happened. Your mention of "peace" is meant to criticize hypocrisy like everyone could just Gandhi their way out of everything. We can't. People who support and oppose war do so as tendencies and best/worst cases, not as universal claims. Like even people against the US entering WW2 largely supported it after the US was attacked. Things are different and minds change. If Iran/Israel peace, Iran cutting off extremists, and no Iranian bomb program were a result of last month's events, at a cost of some fancy ordnance and 0 American lives, anyone should admit that'd be good.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-09 17:05:17
July 09 2025 17:03 GMT
#101793
It's very unfortunate how Musk keeps getting haunted by these Nazi coincidences. First he butt-typed a dozen great replacement theory tweets purely by happenstance, then his autism made him burst into uncontrollable Heil Hitlers on live television, then some of the most openly and publicly racist kids alive sneaked that past him when he hand-picked them to work on DOGE, and now his AI suddenly went full Nazi after a totally unrelated update.

Poor guy can't even put milk in his coffee without it swirling into a swastika, must be hexed or something.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1450 Posts
July 09 2025 17:23 GMT
#101794
On July 10 2025 02:03 Dan HH wrote:
It's very unfortunate how Musk keeps getting haunted by these Nazi coincidences. First he butt-typed a dozen great replacement theory tweets purely by happenstance, then his autism made him burst into uncontrollable Heil Hitlers on live television, then some of the most openly and publicly racist kids alive sneaked that past him when he hand-picked them to work on DOGE, and now his AI suddenly went full Nazi after a totally unrelated update.

Poor guy can't even put milk in his coffee without it swirling into a swastika, must be hexed or something.


Come on, let's be fair here. His dad said Elon was friends with their black Apartheid-era servants, that surely has to count for something?
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17982 Posts
July 09 2025 18:33 GMT
#101795
On July 09 2025 12:47 Fleetfeet wrote:
The first I heard of that flood was from the most conspiracy-pilled person I know, and the story from them was that it was a targeted attack via weather manipulation on the children in this camp, who are the children of right-wing (or christian, it was unclear) influencers.

Their support for this claim was patents in the '60s for weather manipulation.

That explains MTG's recent proposal to ban cloud seeding.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44276 Posts
July 09 2025 19:07 GMT
#101796
It appears that both Trump and Hegseth have given direct orders for the military to shoot unarmed, peaceful protesters, and Hegseth thinks it's funny and mentions the Bible: https://youtube.com/shorts/uD4Z4MupNTQ?si=QbYI9QJoqMJvz1Tm
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5582 Posts
July 09 2025 19:18 GMT
#101797
On July 10 2025 02:03 Dan HH wrote:
It's very unfortunate how Musk keeps getting haunted by these Nazi coincidences. First he butt-typed a dozen great replacement theory tweets purely by happenstance, then his autism made him burst into uncontrollable Heil Hitlers on live television, then some of the most openly and publicly racist kids alive sneaked that past him when he hand-picked them to work on DOGE, and now his AI suddenly went full Nazi after a totally unrelated update.

Poor guy can't even put milk in his coffee without it swirling into a swastika, must be hexed or something.

Because Naziism is not politically correct, an update to an AI for it to eschew political correctness would be related to it pretending to be MechaHitler. (Rather than "totally unrelated.") You apparently have to separately tell it to not be afraid of being politically incorrect while also not being MechaHitler if someone asks.

On July 10 2025 04:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
It appears that both Trump and Hegseth have given direct orders for the military to shoot unarmed, peaceful protesters, and Hegseth thinks it's funny and mentions the Bible: https://youtube.com/shorts/uD4Z4MupNTQ?si=QbYI9QJoqMJvz1Tm

Absolute fascism. How many total unarmed peaceful protestors have been shot in the at least 3 weeks since the alleged order was given (since that video was posted)?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44276 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-09 19:28:15
July 09 2025 19:27 GMT
#101798
On July 10 2025 04:18 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2025 04:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
It appears that both Trump and Hegseth have given direct orders for the military to shoot unarmed, peaceful protesters, and Hegseth thinks it's funny and mentions the Bible: https://youtube.com/shorts/uD4Z4MupNTQ?si=QbYI9QJoqMJvz1Tm

Absolute fascism. How many total unarmed peaceful protestors have been shot in the at least 3 weeks since the alleged order was given (since that video was posted)?


You don't think it's problematic that Trump and Hegseth ordered the military to shoot unarmed, peaceful protesters? Only if the orders are actually carried out?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Razyda
Profile Joined March 2013
712 Posts
July 09 2025 20:24 GMT
#101799
On July 10 2025 04:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
It appears that both Trump and Hegseth have given direct orders for the military to shoot unarmed, peaceful protesters, and Hegseth thinks it's funny and mentions the Bible: https://youtube.com/shorts/uD4Z4MupNTQ?si=QbYI9QJoqMJvz1Tm


I dont think anything in video you linked warrants statement "It appears"

On July 09 2025 21:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Even the Babylon Bee - the conservative attempt at satirical news - is pushing back on Trump's dismissal of Epstein's client list: https://babylonbee.com/news/there-is-no-epstein-client-list-say-epsteins-clients/


Of course it is, same as pretty much anyone else. I dont think Trump realises how massive it is. He probably thought that between flood and Iran, it will get somehow overlooked. Meanwhile the simplest conclusion is that he is guilty. What I find odd, is why he didnt simply said that all was destroyed by Biden administration, on the very start of his term. That something MAGA would believe before he would be able to finish sentence. Entire show they did with files is just stupid and makes people even more suspicious.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10495 Posts
July 09 2025 20:24 GMT
#101800
On July 10 2025 04:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2025 04:18 oBlade wrote:
On July 10 2025 04:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
It appears that both Trump and Hegseth have given direct orders for the military to shoot unarmed, peaceful protesters, and Hegseth thinks it's funny and mentions the Bible: https://youtube.com/shorts/uD4Z4MupNTQ?si=QbYI9QJoqMJvz1Tm

Absolute fascism. How many total unarmed peaceful protestors have been shot in the at least 3 weeks since the alleged order was given (since that video was posted)?


You don't think it's problematic that Trump and Hegseth ordered the military to shoot unarmed, peaceful protesters? Only if the orders are actually carried out?


I'm curious why you keep deciding to add "peaceful" in there when it's not even something she said. Or why you plainly state that he gave the order to shoot peaceful protestors when he didn't even answer the question. Are you unwilling or just incapable of being accurate?
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