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KT_Elwood
Germany1115 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22097 Posts
But hey America wanted to fuck around, go find out. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5049 Posts
There absolutely is a bird that is immune to this specific flu. However, indentifying it is like incredibly difficult and the resources needed to do this is extremely high. Also, the infrastructure simoly isn't there. Also, having millions of birds dying to find one, while the danger of zoonosis exists is like the stupidest idea on a systemic level I might have ever heard. Also, if this goes through, countries should consider to stop all airline traffic that goes in and out of the US. They're just experimenting trying to get a Day Z over there. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9025 Posts
On March 21 2025 00:08 Uldridge wrote: That makes no sense Gorsameth. There absolutely is a bird that is immune to this specific flu. However, indentifying it is like incredibly difficult and the resources needed to do this is extremely high. Also, the infrastructure simoly isn't there. Also, having millions of birds dying to find one, while the danger of zoonosis exists is like the stupidest idea on a systemic level I might have ever heard. Also, if this goes through, countries should consider to stop all airline traffic that goes in and out of the US. They're just experimenting trying to get a Day Z over there. Don't go giving people ideas. You ruin my trip to Japan and I'm coming for all of Belgium. ALL OF YOU! | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5049 Posts
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oBlade
United States5896 Posts
On March 20 2025 20:11 KT_Elwood wrote: @oBlode (The accusation that somebody would vote for Pol Pot because he is on a D-Ticket.. is again just projection of what happened to the now defunct GOP with Trump.. the very fact that the low turnout for D-Voters in the face of shitty candidates made Trump possible TWICE contradicts you ..so hard...that it's like waitig an hour by the phone to be laughed at by putin) I don't know what this means. Kamala and Biden did NOT have low turnout. Barack and Hillary had lower turnout than Barack. That's it. The only reason George HW Bush got fewer votes than himself is he was in a once in ~30 years election with a 3rd party spoiler. (That may not be often enough for you but I'll get to that.) And I think you are muddying with the word "turnout" which is different than performance. Elections have turnouts. A candidate having turnout suggests excuse-making - sure she had more voters, they just forgot to turn out and vote, which is the very act that makes you a voter. Any voter that doesn't vote is just moot. I guess you're trying to turn my analogy into Drumpf is the real Pol Pot and Republicans voted for him anyway? You seem to be saying like Trump was shitty but he won because Kamala voters forgot to vote because they assumed she would win because he was so shitty maybe? I actually don't know what your point is. But Republican voters have hated their party in a statistically significant way more than Democrats since the 2000s/2010s. Look up any approval poll. They didn't nominate Trump begrudgingly just because the GOP chose him and slapped an R next to his name. It was not rubber stamping an (R) at all, his ascension is the purest singular case of voter expression since Truman, if not Andrew Jackson. On March 20 2025 20:11 KT_Elwood wrote: Additionally: Are you advocating for a multi-party system and reform of the EC to represent a non binary choice for voters? Since it sounds an awful lot like you do. If voters had the chance of ditching the Gerontocratic push-over democrats like Pelosi, Shumer and Biden for another liberal party, and then voters could show their dissatisfaction better than to choose between a douche and a turd sandwich, like now. Voters have the chance. They are not engaged enough because they are captured by 1) the lies of said gerontocrats 2) their stranglehold on the media and 3) the money. They have the chance to do anything they want. They don't use it. This generally trends to they are doing what they want, even if we think it's wrong or they are too slow to realize they think it's wrong too or don't know what to do instead, that the choice of doing this is equilibrating to what they want to do. I support the American system. I have no bias that one or other certain number of political parties needs to be politically engineered at any point in time. I find ranked choice to be a mockery to enfranchisement. The Democrats at the moment offer powerful, cynically competent evil (Schumer) or weak, naively incompetent righteousness (AOC). They are voting for these people. They could vote for other Democrats than existing Democrats at any time. They in fact do. That's how AOC replaced Crowley. But both brands of Democrat options are unpalatable. That's an issue within their party. If Democrats forked to two parties right now, then it would become an issue within two parties, because it's an issue with voters. We have the internet and smartphones, if anyone wants to make new parties, they can. But the existing Libertarians and Greens can barely get themselves to look serious. It is hard to make companies because you have to outdo existing companies. It is similarly hard to make political parties because you have to offer something better, and you need power and money, or real messaging and grassroots, which is difficult no matter what the constitutional backdrop is. Saying the "EC" is why Americans have a "binary choice" reeks of Europeanism. We have other elections besides the president. The reason the existing parties rotted is Reagan and Clinton ushered in such successful ages of prosperity that the American people fell asleep at the wheel and assumed the parties were adult and matured enough to keep themselves and each other on the straight and narrow. They weren't. Republicans revolted. Democrats haven't yet, or are potentially in the beginning/middle stages if you look at Democrats in the House. On March 20 2025 20:11 KT_Elwood wrote: And if the president was voted for in parliament, after a general election, you'd even have coalitions. So you could vote liberal and progressive.. and non authoritarian.. without giving your voice to Trump, the Dumpster or the Pelosicrats. OR you can give your voice to a direct representative of the jurisdiction you live in. Having caucuses and factions within parties is not significantly different than having parties within a government, as far as I can tell. They are different names for relative levels. Extreme Party A needing to work with Centrist Party B to get votes for something doesn't look particularly different to me than Extreme Faction of Party A needing to work with Centrist Faction of Party A to pass something. The GOP forking would not be good due to the single-party state that would result, but the Democrat party imploding and some things coming from the ashes would be nice and fruitful. 200 years has been a good run. Another thing that would be a national political earthquake is the addition of 40 million new citizens with no allegiance to any party and their access to a new assortment of senators and representatives. On March 20 2025 21:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I don't know what you mean by "signal", but Trump clearly has/had no intention of pushing anything related to universal healthcare or socialized medicine. One of his greatest failures (from his/Republicans' perspective) of his first term was unsuccessfully trying to remove Obamacare and replace it with nothing. No plan. No concepts of a plan. He had lied about wanting to "repeal and replace" it, as he had just wanted to repeal it and simply destroy healthcare in this country. He might succeed in doing so this term. You should have learned by now that Trump has said everything buddy. Before his run-in with the law, Donald "Take The Guns First, Go Through Due Process Second" Trump had a New York concealed carry license, one of the hardest to get anywhere. He's a walking contradiction. Let's see if he's ever had more than one position on healthcare. 1999 I'm conservative, and even very conservative. But I'm quite liberal and getting much more liberal on health care and other things. I really say: What's the purpose of a country if you're not going to have defense and health care? If you can't take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it's all over. I mean, it's no good. So I'm very liberal when it comes to health care. I believe in universal health care. I believe in whatever it takes to make people well and better. 2000 We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing. But implementing such a plan is not simple. One major problem is that the single-payer plan in Canada is in financial difficulty, as is the nationalized plan in the United Kingdom. We have to improve on the prototype. 2016 What I do say is there will be a certain number of people that will be on the street dying, and as a Republican, I don't want that to happen. We're going to take care of people that are dying on the street because there will be a group of people that are not going to be able to even think in terms of private or anything else and we're going to take care of those people and I think everybody on this stage would have to agree you're not going to let people die sitting in the middle of a street in any city in this country. The insurance companies are getting rich on Obamacare. The insurance companies are getting rich on healthcare and health services and everything having to do with health. We're gonna end that. As far as single payer, it works in Canada, it works incredibly well in Scotland. 2017 We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us. I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now. They're going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, probably the government's gonna pay for it. Why can’t Medicare simply cover everybody? Probably next you're going to tell me, okay, but what's the relevance? After all, he didn't actually do these things. He just said them! He didn't actually enact single payer! (Note: He didn't repeal and replace Obamacare either, he just said it.) He only: -spent tens of billions of public dollars on a national vaccine moonshot -expanded right to try -expanded HSAs (Rand Paul's pet idea) -removed the individual mandate meaning the poor and uninsured ended up costing MORE money when they drain resources from the system without even paying the uninsured penalty -made price transparency rules that Biden administration didn't enforce because their big donor companies might get upset and challenge it -MFN rule for Medicare to stop companies from charging Medicare (the government) more for drugs than they charge other developed countries, which Democrats ignored or opposed again because their big donor companies might get upset their profits were getting eaten into But he didn't use his magic wand to implement single payer or do this or that. Yeah. That was the point. Democrats looked at this guy and completely missed the opportunity to work together and build on progress because they thought it was a safer bet to throw a tantrum for 4 years because he said the country he's president of should have a border and wouldn't let Lockheed Martin have any new wars. That was an enormous political and moral failure by their part and I hope fate's irony lets him destroy them and everything they have ever touched. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45282 Posts
On March 21 2025 00:31 oBlade wrote: You should have learned by now that Trump has said everything buddy. Before his run-in with the law, Donald "Take The Guns First, Go Through Due Process Second" Trump had a New York concealed carry license, one of the hardest to get anywhere. He's a walking contradiction. Let's see if he's ever had more than one position on healthcare. Uh, yeah. That's literally why you're wrong, and why you can't trust Trump "signaling" his support for anything, unless there's actually action behind it. Buddy. Trump hasn't showed legitimate support for improving our healthcare system, as that would require him to work with experts (instead of demonizing them) and put together a real plan. I can't imagine what Trumpcare would look like, but it sure as hell wouldn't be any good. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45282 Posts
On March 21 2025 00:31 oBlade wrote: Democrats looked at this guy and completely missed the opportunity to work together This has to be satire. All the Democrats have done is capitulated and compromised and given in, because they overvalued bipartisanship. And it's led to Republicans getting what they want, over and over and over again. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9771 Posts
On March 20 2025 18:50 BlackJack wrote: The article titled "Pima Indian helped raise American Flag on Iwo Jima" was so celebratory of Pfc. Ira Hayes that they couldn't even be bothered to put his name in the title. It's a nice article but not as nice as the one I read on Churchill called "English bloke helps defeat Hitler." The article was written in 2021. The deleted Navajo Code talker article was written in 2024. The deleted black medal of honor winner was written in 2021. Some intern at Biden's Department of Defense probably pumped out these articles after our country became obsessed with race. These articles didn't even exist 4 years ago but they are now so crucially important that deleting them constitutes erasure of people. Who knows how many dozens of clicks these got on the DoD website before they were deleted. I feel obliged to add that, no, I don't support the deletion of these articles. It's culture war nonsense that many of you in this thread have been preoccupied with for weeks. I'm just tired of the hyperbole where this is supposedly taking us back to the1950s when the timestamps tell us it's more accurately taking us back to late 2020 - early 2021. Error: We're sorry the reply to this post cannot be found. Its possible the author was black, or gay. Yours The Pentagon. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23653 Posts
On March 20 2025 22:59 KT_Elwood wrote: Teachers in the US should walk out at large. + Show Spoiler + Schools out. Start to work in the fields kids, the oranges aint' going to harvest themselves. GH: Everyone should already be in the streets grinding this country to a halt. We're down to desperately needing enough people to realize this before it is too late. Meanwhile Democrats like Schumer will continue to collaborate with Trump and try to stop people from making this realization. Schumer needs to be pushed out as minority leader immediately or we're all basically doomed. | ||
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Legan
Finland560 Posts
The EU should consider putting up a scheme similar to the 5 million for US residency that asks US citizens to pay a million or two at least for residency. To avoid a housing crisis, the requirement would be to live in similar housing as other asylum seekers, and of course, they would be required to learn the language in a few years or so. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9025 Posts
On March 21 2025 00:17 Uldridge wrote: How are you gonna get to us when you're landlocked Dammit. My one weakness. Logic. /s | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26261 Posts
On March 21 2025 00:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Uh, yeah. That's literally why you're wrong, and why you can't trust Trump "signaling" his support for anything, unless there's actually action behind it. Buddy. Trump hasn't showed legitimate support for improving our healthcare system, as that would require him to work with experts (instead of demonizing them) and put together a real plan. I can't imagine what Trumpcare would look like, but it sure as hell wouldn't be any good. It is this basically: We didn’t even get pie in the sky stuff, priming the grounds or anything like that. One thing I’ll say in Trump’s favour is he does quite a lot of what he says, and he says what he’ll do rather frequently, and often miles in advance. Of course on the flip side of that as pertains to this, I find it incredibly dubious that he had or has any intention of instituting his own flavour of healthcare that’s universal. Because if he had, we would have heard about it, even sans much concrete detail. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2779 Posts
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oBlade
United States5896 Posts
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Sadist
United States7324 Posts
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KT_Elwood
Germany1115 Posts
If I am rich, I can afford healthcare, and I shouldn't pay for others. What a shitty fix. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5049 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45282 Posts
On March 21 2025 01:47 oBlade wrote: Continuously blaming Republicans for not fixing a healthcare framework that Democrats created is a strategy which is going to go far with people who were born yesterday; unfortunately, in the US you have to be at least 18 to vote in federal elections. Holy spin, Batman. Democrats were able to pass - and barely keep - a healthcare framework that was an imperfect improvement, and Republicans have been trying to destroy healthcare altogether, and you think Democrats expect Republicans to fix healthcare? Are you kidding? No. Everyone knows that Republicans can't handle that. You don't give power tools to a three-year-old. Everyone is just merely hoping that Republicans don't push this country as far back as humanly possible, despite the fact that if there's an opportunity to damage this country, Republicans will lunge for it. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On March 20 2025 23:44 KT_Elwood wrote: Can Trump II speedrun the US to a Thanksgiving famine? Oh god, Thanksgiving Riots would give me a reason to be genuinely thankful on Thanksgiving. | ||
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