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Until recently, a page on the Defense Department’s website celebrated Pfc. Ira Hayes, a Pima Indian who was one of the six Marines photographed hoisting a U.S. flag on Iwo Jima in 1945, as an emblem of the “contributions and sacrifices Native Americans have made to the United States, not just in the military, but in all walks of life.” But the page, along with many others about Native American and other minority service members, has now been erased amid the Trump administration’s wide-ranging crackdown on what it says are “diversity, equity and inclusion” efforts in the federal government, a review by The Washington Post found. Multiple articles about the Navajo code talkers, who were critical to America’s victory at Iwo Jima and the wider Pacific theater of the Second World War, were also removed, along with a profile of a Tonawanda Seneca officer who drafted the terms of the Confederacy’s surrender at Appomattox toward the end of the Civil War.
It has nothing to do with DEI. They just aren't white people, so they get deleted as if they never existed.
The article titled "Pima Indian helped raise American Flag on Iwo Jima" was so celebratory of Pfc. Ira Hayes that they couldn't even be bothered to put his name in the title. It's a nice article but not as nice as the one I read on Churchill called "English bloke helps defeat Hitler."
The article was written in 2021. The deleted Navajo Code talker article was written in 2024. The deleted black medal of honor winner was written in 2021. Some intern at Biden's Department of Defense probably pumped out these articles after our country became obsessed with race. These articles didn't even exist 4 years ago but they are now so crucially important that deleting them constitutes erasure of people. Who knows how many dozens of clicks these got on the DoD website before they were deleted. I feel obliged to add that, no, I don't support the deletion of these articles. It's culture war nonsense that many of you in this thread have been preoccupied with for weeks. I'm just tired of the hyperbole where this is supposedly taking us back to the1950s when the timestamps tell us it's more accurately taking us back to late 2020 - early 2021.
How long was the Gulf of Mexico known thus?
I don’t think it’s particularly apocalyptic, just a bit shitty. The worry is either this ‘anti-DEI’ push is so ill-defined that people will do things like this just to cover their arse, or that for some this is the whole point. If it isn’t clarified and more tangible lines are drawn in the sand, such things will just keep happening, and indeed may start intensifying in ways that do much more tangible harm.
The ball is in the court of Trump supporters and anti-DEI people here, not folks such as I. ‘Hey I don’t like this DEI stuff, but obviously I didn’t mean things like deleting a website entry of a Medal of Honour winner, that’s un-American!’ Entries get restored, no biggy.
Pushback I’m not seeing much of, which brings things like this into a wider ‘big deal’ problem trend rather than an isolated nothingburger.
In short, every opportunity offered up, big or small for pushback and moderation, that could prove pessimistic souls such as myself wrong, isn’t taken and things continue to get worse.
On March 20 2025 17:21 EnDeR_ wrote: I mean, it was fairly obvious from the campaign trail that this was the direction of travel.
We are still in month 2.
It’s insane, it feels way longer. It’s like the opposite of when you see a family member or buddy you’re not super close to and ask how old their kid is and are stunned that they’re about three times older than you thought.
How long was Mt. McKinley named that before Obama's administration decided to rename it Denali? How long was it Denali before Trump decided to rename it McKinley? In the battle of renaming things the left probably has a 100 to 1 advantage. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned the SF school board decision to rename its schools while using wikipedia as their source for who needs to be canceled and making hilarious errors of interpretation
The decision process was a joke. The committee’s research seems to have consisted mostly of cursory Google searches, and the sources cited were primarily Wikipedia entries or similar. Historians were not consulted. Embarrassing errors of interpretation were made, as well as rudimentary factual errors. Robert Louis Stevenson, perhaps the most beloved literary figure in the city’s history, was canceled because in a poem titled “Foreign Children” in his famous collection A Child’s Garden of Verses, he used the rhyming word Japanee for Japanese. Paul Revere Elementary School ended up on the renaming list because, during the discussion, a committee member misread a History.com article as claiming that Revere had taken part in an expedition that stole the lands of the Penobscot Indians. In fact, the article described Revere’s role in the Penobscot Expedition, a disastrous American military campaign against the British during the Revolutionary War. (That expedition was named after a bay in Maine.) But no one bothered to check, the committee voted to rename the school, and by order of the San Francisco school board Paul Revere will now ride into oblivion.
Everyone knows I do my share of mocking this stuff. But my mocking is more like "Why are these people behaving like they live in South Park when they should be working on reopening schools during COVID"
A very informative resource about the characteristics of dictators, and how Donald Trump checks off all the boxes of a wannabe dictator (as if anyone still had any doubts):
Trump‘s only weakness for fulfilling the role of a dictator is his age. His only role is to offer a face that the average American Karen can relate to. He leaves thinking to his advisors, which is understandable.
Secretly, he‘s definitely the type of guy who loves pushing people on subway tracks to get what he wants. HoC reference.
The platforms he weaponizes to talk about irrelevant shit are doing a pretty good job at distracting from events like ‚French president wants to hand out survival handbooks‘ and the like.
I don‘t think that Euros who do the bidding of this band of buffoons know what that means for their allegiance when they realize it means they could be drafted into wars.
Oh you earned your living by doing propaganda for the Republicans ? The same guys who held the door open for the Russians?
By disabling information access to the Ukrainians Trump has proven that he doesn‘t shy away from killing Europeans. Indirectly.
Maybe I was a bit harsh in hindsight with my wording. He‘s supposed to create a climate of safety though. Looks lile he wants to do the opposite.
The look is very much ‚we are willing to do bad things to achieve what we think is good‘
Until recently, a page on the Defense Department’s website celebrated Pfc. Ira Hayes, a Pima Indian who was one of the six Marines photographed hoisting a U.S. flag on Iwo Jima in 1945, as an emblem of the “contributions and sacrifices Native Americans have made to the United States, not just in the military, but in all walks of life.” But the page, along with many others about Native American and other minority service members, has now been erased amid the Trump administration’s wide-ranging crackdown on what it says are “diversity, equity and inclusion” efforts in the federal government, a review by The Washington Post found. Multiple articles about the Navajo code talkers, who were critical to America’s victory at Iwo Jima and the wider Pacific theater of the Second World War, were also removed, along with a profile of a Tonawanda Seneca officer who drafted the terms of the Confederacy’s surrender at Appomattox toward the end of the Civil War.
It has nothing to do with DEI. They just aren't white people, so they get deleted as if they never existed.
The article titled "Pima Indian helped raise American Flag on Iwo Jima" was so celebratory of Pfc. Ira Hayes that they couldn't even be bothered to put his name in the title. It's a nice article but not as nice as the one I read on Churchill called "English bloke helps defeat Hitler."
The article was written in 2021. The deleted Navajo Code talker article was written in 2024. The deleted black medal of honor winner was written in 2021. Some intern at Biden's Department of Defense probably pumped out these articles after our country became obsessed with race. These articles didn't even exist 4 years ago but they are now so crucially important that deleting them constitutes erasure of people. Who knows how many dozens of clicks these got on the DoD website before they were deleted. I feel obliged to add that, no, I don't support the deletion of these articles. It's culture war nonsense that many of you in this thread have been preoccupied with for weeks. I'm just tired of the hyperbole where this is supposedly taking us back to the1950s when the timestamps tell us it's more accurately taking us back to late 2020 - early 2021.
How long was the Gulf of Mexico known thus?
I don’t think it’s particularly apocalyptic, just a bit shitty. The worry is either this ‘anti-DEI’ push is so ill-defined that people will do things like this just to cover their arse, or that for some this is the whole point. If it isn’t clarified and more tangible lines are drawn in the sand, such things will just keep happening, and indeed may start intensifying in ways that do much more tangible harm.
The ball is in the court of Trump supporters and anti-DEI people here, not folks such as I. ‘Hey I don’t like this DEI stuff, but obviously I didn’t mean things like deleting a website entry of a Medal of Honour winner, that’s un-American!’ Entries get restored, no biggy.
Pushback I’m not seeing much of, which brings things like this into a wider ‘big deal’ problem trend rather than an isolated nothingburger.
In short, every opportunity offered up, big or small for pushback and moderation, that could prove pessimistic souls such as myself wrong, isn’t taken and things continue to get worse.
On March 20 2025 17:21 EnDeR_ wrote: I mean, it was fairly obvious from the campaign trail that this was the direction of travel.
We are still in month 2.
It’s insane, it feels way longer. It’s like the opposite of when you see a family member or buddy you’re not super close to and ask how old their kid is and are stunned that they’re about three times older than you thought.
How long was Mt. McKinley named that before Obama's administration decided to rename it Denali? How long was it Denali before Trump decided to rename it McKinley? In the battle of renaming things the left probably has a 100 to 1 advantage. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned the SF school board decision to rename its schools while using wikipedia as their source for who needs to be canceled and making hilarious errors of interpretation
The decision process was a joke. The committee’s research seems to have consisted mostly of cursory Google searches, and the sources cited were primarily Wikipedia entries or similar. Historians were not consulted. Embarrassing errors of interpretation were made, as well as rudimentary factual errors. Robert Louis Stevenson, perhaps the most beloved literary figure in the city’s history, was canceled because in a poem titled “Foreign Children” in his famous collection A Child’s Garden of Verses, he used the rhyming word Japanee for Japanese. Paul Revere Elementary School ended up on the renaming list because, during the discussion, a committee member misread a History.com article as claiming that Revere had taken part in an expedition that stole the lands of the Penobscot Indians. In fact, the article described Revere’s role in the Penobscot Expedition, a disastrous American military campaign against the British during the Revolutionary War. (That expedition was named after a bay in Maine.) But no one bothered to check, the committee voted to rename the school, and by order of the San Francisco school board Paul Revere will now ride into oblivion.
Everyone knows I do my share of mocking this stuff. But my mocking is more like "Why are these people behaving like they live in South Park when they should be working on reopening schools during COVID"
You might have mentioned it. Once or twice. Can you appraise anything this admin is pushing without returning to ‘but the left’?
Until recently, a page on the Defense Department’s website celebrated Pfc. Ira Hayes, a Pima Indian who was one of the six Marines photographed hoisting a U.S. flag on Iwo Jima in 1945, as an emblem of the “contributions and sacrifices Native Americans have made to the United States, not just in the military, but in all walks of life.” But the page, along with many others about Native American and other minority service members, has now been erased amid the Trump administration’s wide-ranging crackdown on what it says are “diversity, equity and inclusion” efforts in the federal government, a review by The Washington Post found. Multiple articles about the Navajo code talkers, who were critical to America’s victory at Iwo Jima and the wider Pacific theater of the Second World War, were also removed, along with a profile of a Tonawanda Seneca officer who drafted the terms of the Confederacy’s surrender at Appomattox toward the end of the Civil War.
It has nothing to do with DEI. They just aren't white people, so they get deleted as if they never existed.
The article titled "Pima Indian helped raise American Flag on Iwo Jima" was so celebratory of Pfc. Ira Hayes that they couldn't even be bothered to put his name in the title. It's a nice article but not as nice as the one I read on Churchill called "English bloke helps defeat Hitler."
The article was written in 2021. The deleted Navajo Code talker article was written in 2024. The deleted black medal of honor winner was written in 2021. Some intern at Biden's Department of Defense probably pumped out these articles after our country became obsessed with race. These articles didn't even exist 4 years ago but they are now so crucially important that deleting them constitutes erasure of people. Who knows how many dozens of clicks these got on the DoD website before they were deleted. I feel obliged to add that, no, I don't support the deletion of these articles. It's culture war nonsense that many of you in this thread have been preoccupied with for weeks. I'm just tired of the hyperbole where this is supposedly taking us back to the1950s when the timestamps tell us it's more accurately taking us back to late 2020 - early 2021.
How long was the Gulf of Mexico known thus?
I don’t think it’s particularly apocalyptic, just a bit shitty. The worry is either this ‘anti-DEI’ push is so ill-defined that people will do things like this just to cover their arse, or that for some this is the whole point. If it isn’t clarified and more tangible lines are drawn in the sand, such things will just keep happening, and indeed may start intensifying in ways that do much more tangible harm.
The ball is in the court of Trump supporters and anti-DEI people here, not folks such as I. ‘Hey I don’t like this DEI stuff, but obviously I didn’t mean things like deleting a website entry of a Medal of Honour winner, that’s un-American!’ Entries get restored, no biggy.
Pushback I’m not seeing much of, which brings things like this into a wider ‘big deal’ problem trend rather than an isolated nothingburger.
In short, every opportunity offered up, big or small for pushback and moderation, that could prove pessimistic souls such as myself wrong, isn’t taken and things continue to get worse.
On March 20 2025 17:21 EnDeR_ wrote: I mean, it was fairly obvious from the campaign trail that this was the direction of travel.
We are still in month 2.
It’s insane, it feels way longer. It’s like the opposite of when you see a family member or buddy you’re not super close to and ask how old their kid is and are stunned that they’re about three times older than you thought.
How long was Mt. McKinley named that before Obama's administration decided to rename it Denali? How long was it Denali before Trump decided to rename it McKinley? In the battle of renaming things the left probably has a 100 to 1 advantage. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned the SF school board decision to rename its schools while using wikipedia as their source for who needs to be canceled and making hilarious errors of interpretation
The decision process was a joke. The committee’s research seems to have consisted mostly of cursory Google searches, and the sources cited were primarily Wikipedia entries or similar. Historians were not consulted. Embarrassing errors of interpretation were made, as well as rudimentary factual errors. Robert Louis Stevenson, perhaps the most beloved literary figure in the city’s history, was canceled because in a poem titled “Foreign Children” in his famous collection A Child’s Garden of Verses, he used the rhyming word Japanee for Japanese. Paul Revere Elementary School ended up on the renaming list because, during the discussion, a committee member misread a History.com article as claiming that Revere had taken part in an expedition that stole the lands of the Penobscot Indians. In fact, the article described Revere’s role in the Penobscot Expedition, a disastrous American military campaign against the British during the Revolutionary War. (That expedition was named after a bay in Maine.) But no one bothered to check, the committee voted to rename the school, and by order of the San Francisco school board Paul Revere will now ride into oblivion.
Everyone knows I do my share of mocking this stuff. But my mocking is more like "Why are these people behaving like they live in South Park when they should be working on reopening schools during COVID"
You might have mentioned it. Once or twice. Can you appraise anything this admin is pushing without returning to ‘but the left’?
I did. I said I think it's dumb culture war nonsense.
On March 20 2025 23:22 Zambrah wrote: Damn, modern conservatives are actually so stupid, this is a wildly dumb thing to say, I'm very excited to see all of the mental gymnasts online go through their mental circus routine for some of this deranged shit in the next few years. If the tents gonna be on fire I'm at least gonna try to enjoy the performance.
Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. thinks that the bird flu should be allowed to spread unchecked to identify birds that could be immune.
Kennedy said in a recent Fox News interview that farmers “should consider maybe the possibility of letting it run through the flock so that we can identify the birds, and preserve the birds that are immune to it,” an idea that experts say would be dangerous and hurt the poultry industry.
“That’s a really terrible idea, for any one of a number of reasons,” Dr. Gail Hansen, a former state veterinarian for Kansas, told The New York Times.
Every new infection of the H5N1 virus is a chance that it will mutate and become more powerful and spread further, although it still hasn’t been proven to spread between people. But if it were allowed to spread through millions of birds, “that’s literally five million chances for that virus to replicate or to mutate,” Hansen said.
Perhaps than he could take that chickens that survives, figure out why, replicate it, create some sort of shot he could inject in other chickens.
On March 20 2025 23:22 Zambrah wrote: Damn, modern conservatives are actually so stupid, this is a wildly dumb thing to say, I'm very excited to see all of the mental gymnasts online go through their mental circus routine for some of this deranged shit in the next few years. If the tents gonna be on fire I'm at least gonna try to enjoy the performance.
Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. thinks that the bird flu should be allowed to spread unchecked to identify birds that could be immune.
Kennedy said in a recent Fox News interview that farmers “should consider maybe the possibility of letting it run through the flock so that we can identify the birds, and preserve the birds that are immune to it,” an idea that experts say would be dangerous and hurt the poultry industry.
“That’s a really terrible idea, for any one of a number of reasons,” Dr. Gail Hansen, a former state veterinarian for Kansas, told The New York Times.
Every new infection of the H5N1 virus is a chance that it will mutate and become more powerful and spread further, although it still hasn’t been proven to spread between people. But if it were allowed to spread through millions of birds, “that’s literally five million chances for that virus to replicate or to mutate,” Hansen said.
Perhaps than he could take that chickens that survives, figure out why, replicate it, create some sort of shot he could inject in other chickens.
Sounds like you're suggesting that an anti-vaxxer develop a vaccine of some sort.
On March 20 2025 23:22 Zambrah wrote: Damn, modern conservatives are actually so stupid, this is a wildly dumb thing to say, I'm very excited to see all of the mental gymnasts online go through their mental circus routine for some of this deranged shit in the next few years. If the tents gonna be on fire I'm at least gonna try to enjoy the performance.
Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. thinks that the bird flu should be allowed to spread unchecked to identify birds that could be immune.
Kennedy said in a recent Fox News interview that farmers “should consider maybe the possibility of letting it run through the flock so that we can identify the birds, and preserve the birds that are immune to it,” an idea that experts say would be dangerous and hurt the poultry industry.
“That’s a really terrible idea, for any one of a number of reasons,” Dr. Gail Hansen, a former state veterinarian for Kansas, told The New York Times.
Every new infection of the H5N1 virus is a chance that it will mutate and become more powerful and spread further, although it still hasn’t been proven to spread between people. But if it were allowed to spread through millions of birds, “that’s literally five million chances for that virus to replicate or to mutate,” Hansen said.
Perhaps than he could take that chickens that survives, figure out why, replicate it, create some sort of shot he could inject in other chickens.
Sounds like you're suggesting that an anti-vaxxer develop a vaccine of some sort.
No, no. Definitively nothing like that. He should just find a convenient way to transfer the natural immunity from one animal to another. Maybe in a way that is easy to administer to lots of animals without all of them having to become sick. And ideally preventive, so they can get that natural immunity transfer before they even get sick.
On March 20 2025 23:22 Zambrah wrote: Damn, modern conservatives are actually so stupid, this is a wildly dumb thing to say, I'm very excited to see all of the mental gymnasts online go through their mental circus routine for some of this deranged shit in the next few years. If the tents gonna be on fire I'm at least gonna try to enjoy the performance.
Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. thinks that the bird flu should be allowed to spread unchecked to identify birds that could be immune.
Kennedy said in a recent Fox News interview that farmers “should consider maybe the possibility of letting it run through the flock so that we can identify the birds, and preserve the birds that are immune to it,” an idea that experts say would be dangerous and hurt the poultry industry.
“That’s a really terrible idea, for any one of a number of reasons,” Dr. Gail Hansen, a former state veterinarian for Kansas, told The New York Times.
Every new infection of the H5N1 virus is a chance that it will mutate and become more powerful and spread further, although it still hasn’t been proven to spread between people. But if it were allowed to spread through millions of birds, “that’s literally five million chances for that virus to replicate or to mutate,” Hansen said.
Perhaps than he could take that chickens that survives, figure out why, replicate it, create some sort of shot he could inject in other chickens.
Sounds like you're suggesting that an anti-vaxxer develop a vaccine of some sort.
No, no. Definitively nothing like that. He should just find a convenient way to transfer the natural immunity from one animal to another. Maybe in a way that is easy to administer to lots of animals without all of them having to become sick. And ideally preventive, so they can get that natural immunity transfer before they even get sick.
That sounds like a far better idea than whatever Big Medicine and Big Science have been doing to those poor animals and babies and adults and whatnot. I'm glad RFK Jr. Trump thought of it! Praise Trump and his magic Trumpcines!
Oblade arguing that Trump didn’t ever plan to repeal Obamacare when he held the Obamacare repeal vote and lost it due to McCain voting against is peak Oblade.
Educated people are dangerous. Keep them poorly read, angry and make them believe they are a movie character while you run a bunch of circuses where you try to make them fight each other.
I try not to bite and move with my own intentions. That‘d be my current media analysis ig.
Maybe ‚educated ones are dangerous on their own, the uneducated in mass‘ would be more accurate.
Mobilizing the uneducated through the media is a pillar of totalitarianism.
It‘s exactly what responsible newspapers aren‘t allowed to do. Last I checked Trump was whining about those as well.
On March 21 2025 07:09 KwarK wrote: Oblade arguing that Trump didn’t ever plan to repeal Obamacare when he held the Obamacare repeal vote and lost it due to McCain voting against is peak Oblade.
It’s almost like their takes aren’t even worth entertaining. They transcend mere political disagreement to seemingly occupy a parallel reality
It’s either trolling or lunacy. I mean they criticised the Dems for not coming together and learning to work with an ‘obvious centrist’ while entirely neglecting said obvious centrist being incredibly antagonistic from day 1 of entering this political realm.
On March 20 2025 23:22 Zambrah wrote: Damn, modern conservatives are actually so stupid, this is a wildly dumb thing to say, I'm very excited to see all of the mental gymnasts online go through their mental circus routine for some of this deranged shit in the next few years. If the tents gonna be on fire I'm at least gonna try to enjoy the performance.
Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. thinks that the bird flu should be allowed to spread unchecked to identify birds that could be immune.
Kennedy said in a recent Fox News interview that farmers “should consider maybe the possibility of letting it run through the flock so that we can identify the birds, and preserve the birds that are immune to it,” an idea that experts say would be dangerous and hurt the poultry industry.
“That’s a really terrible idea, for any one of a number of reasons,” Dr. Gail Hansen, a former state veterinarian for Kansas, told The New York Times.
Every new infection of the H5N1 virus is a chance that it will mutate and become more powerful and spread further, although it still hasn’t been proven to spread between people. But if it were allowed to spread through millions of birds, “that’s literally five million chances for that virus to replicate or to mutate,” Hansen said.
Perhaps than he could take that chickens that survives, figure out why, replicate it, create some sort of shot he could inject in other chickens.
Sounds like you're suggesting that an anti-vaxxer develop a vaccine of some sort.
No, no. Definitively nothing like that. He should just find a convenient way to transfer the natural immunity from one animal to another. Maybe in a way that is easy to administer to lots of animals without all of them having to become sick. And ideally preventive, so they can get that natural immunity transfer before they even get sick.
Sure, but can we replace transfer with a more christian word, like 'share' or 'jesus miracle'?
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