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BlackJack
United States10421 Posts
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EnDeR_
Spain2639 Posts
On March 12 2025 00:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: they'll buy a lot less Steel and Aluminum from Ontario. Americans can buy steel elsewhere. Mexico and Quebec leadership steered clear of confronting Trump in any hard core way and are benefiting accordingly. Doug Ford is doing the tough guy thing and getting crushed. And again, he just got elected... the people of Ontario want Doug Ford to do what he is doing. Ontarians are learning a hard lesson. Doug Ford went on a USA media tour announcing his retaliation tariffs. bad move. Quebec's premier kept a low profile as did Sheinbaum. Neither announced any retaliatory tariffs. New York state can replace some Ontario energy with Quebec energy. Also , the warmer weather is coming so Quebec has a surplus of energy to sell. Legault out maneuvered Ford. Compared to Doug Ford .. Francois Legault is quieter than a church mouse. a french catholic church mouse.  How long before the Toronto Raptors move to Buffalo? LOL. In conclusion, being confrontational with Trump is a really bad move. I deal with loud-mouthed blowhard Americans like him all the time... and Doug Ford is messing this up badly. The Canadians best at dealing with these kinds of loud mouth powerful Americans always strike the best deals. At the very beginning when Trump first called Canada a potential "51st state" the Canadian leaders should've asked him why he feels this way. Then they should ask what it would take to alleviate his concerns. Then quietly go about doing the things he requests. Instead, Canadian leaders got their back up. They let their pride get in the way. Fuck Pride If I were a betting man, I'd bet that as soon as the tariffs look like they're going to cause a recession, Trump is going to fold. His cabinet of oligarchs are in it for the money, and tariffs are just bad for business. Also, telling Canadians that they need to bend over and pretend that they're enjoying it is a bit extreme even for you. | ||
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Sadist
United States7215 Posts
This is clearly corruption at worst and crony capitalism at best. https://apnews.com/article/trump-musk-tesla-9a43c57a0591a4c7ed8d3f1b2c7ef8d9 I dont think hes gonna make it 4 years. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44137 Posts
On March 12 2025 02:40 Sadist wrote: Now trump tells his supporters to buy teslas and makes an accusation of illegal boycotts of Tesla. This is clearly corruption at worst and crony capitalism at best. https://apnews.com/article/trump-musk-tesla-9a43c57a0591a4c7ed8d3f1b2c7ef8d9 I dont think hes gonna make it 4 years. Trump's corruption has been going on for decades, including all throughout his first term as president. I don't see why he'd be removed from office for being a terrible, corrupt, impeachable human being; Republicans are fine with his ethics since he's on their team, so they won't vote him out. I think the only way he ends his term early is if he dies in office. | ||
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Calanthe
United States141 Posts
On March 12 2025 01:21 Uldridge wrote: And it's not even been 2 months. Lmao, even. 1412 more days until a new president is sworn in (probably). | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21609 Posts
On March 12 2025 02:34 EnDeR_ wrote: Unless they are crashing the economy on purpose and betting against the US.If I were a betting man, I'd bet that as soon as the tariffs look like they're going to cause a recession, Trump is going to fold. His cabinet of oligarchs are in it for the money, and tariffs are just bad for business. Also, telling Canadians that they need to bend over and pretend that they're enjoying it is a bit extreme even for you. If your rich and bet right a recession can actually earn you money... | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway684 Posts
On March 12 2025 02:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Trump's corruption has been going on for decades, including all throughout his first term as president. I don't see why he'd be removed from office for being a terrible, corrupt, impeachable human being; Republicans are fine with his ethics since he's on their team, so they won't vote him out. I think the only way he ends his term early is if he dies in office. Screencap this, he is mysteriously dead within the year and they will blame it on a heart condition | ||
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BlackJack
United States10421 Posts
On March 11 2025 22:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: 1. What you wrote sounds extremely vague, and I don't know of anything like that happening in the United States. Do you? What bills were proposed to make misgendering someone a hate crime? I'm pretty sure Jordan Peterson's rise to fame was from arguing against a bill in Canada that would make it a hate crime to intentionally misgender someone. I'm guessing you already knew that Geiko said this was happening in Canada/United States and you changed it to just asking for evidence this was happening in United States. I think our first amendment interpretations make it impossible for this to happen in the United States but I'm sure many people would like for it to happen. | ||
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Sadist
United States7215 Posts
On March 12 2025 02:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Trump's corruption has been going on for decades, including all throughout his first term as president. I don't see why he'd be removed from office for being a terrible, corrupt, impeachable human being; Republicans are fine with his ethics since he's on their team, so they won't vote him out. I think the only way he ends his term early is if he dies in office. I would say the difference now is hes going to fuck up ALOT of peoples money if he goes through with his tariff policies. Additionally all of the project 2025 ghouls and their policies are super unpopular. | ||
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oBlade
United States5500 Posts
On March 12 2025 02:40 Sadist wrote: Now trump tells his supporters to buy teslas and makes an accusation of illegal boycotts of Tesla. This is clearly corruption at worst and crony capitalism at best. https://apnews.com/article/trump-musk-tesla-9a43c57a0591a4c7ed8d3f1b2c7ef8d9 I dont think hes gonna make it 4 years. Is he seriously buying an American car? We got him now. The walls are closing in. This is the beginning of the end for Trump. | ||
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Sadist
United States7215 Posts
On March 12 2025 02:57 oBlade wrote: Is he seriously buying an American car? We got him now. The walls are closing in. This is the beginning of the end for Trump. The president is calling boycotts illegal and this is your takeaway? | ||
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Zambrah
United States7260 Posts
On March 12 2025 02:46 Gorsameth wrote: Unless they are crashing the economy on purpose and betting against the US. If your rich and bet right a recession can actually earn you money... Fun fact, thats how the Kennedys got so rich! | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44137 Posts
On March 12 2025 02:51 BlackJack wrote: I'm pretty sure Jordan Peterson's rise to fame was from arguing against a bill in Canada that would make it a hate crime to intentionally misgender someone. I'm guessing you already knew that Geiko said this was happening in Canada/United States and you changed it to just asking for evidence this was happening in United States. I think our first amendment interpretations make it impossible for this to happen in the United States but I'm sure many people would like for it to happen. Yeah except JP was wrong about his understanding of that bill, and this isn't the Canada thread anyway. So it appears that there aren't any such examples. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44137 Posts
On March 12 2025 02:52 Sadist wrote: I would say the difference now is hes going to fuck up ALOT of peoples money if he goes through with his tariff policies. Additionally all of the project 2025 ghouls and their policies are super unpopular. Sure, but this is what he campaigned on. He promised to destroy the country, and nearly 50% of voters wanted that. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21609 Posts
On March 12 2025 02:51 BlackJack wrote: Thank you for proving our point. You don't know what your talking about but heard a thing from someone else so surely this must be real.I'm pretty sure Jordan Peterson's rise to fame was from arguing against a bill in Canada that would make it a hate crime to intentionally misgender someone. I'm guessing you already knew that Geiko said this was happening in Canada/United States and you changed it to just asking for evidence this was happening in United States. I think our first amendment interpretations make it impossible for this to happen in the United States but I'm sure many people would like for it to happen. Bill C-16 protects gender identity from discrimination, so you can't fire someone based on what they identify as, just like you can't fire someone for their age, race, sex, religion or disability. protects it from advocating genocide and public incitement of hate. Note that miss naming someone is not an incitement of hate and utterly does not fall under this. and adds sentencing guidelines for said hate crimes. The bill doesn't even talk about pronouns. | ||
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Sadist
United States7215 Posts
On March 12 2025 03:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Sure, but this is what he campaigned on. He promised to destroy the country, and nearly 50% of voters wanted that. This is not what they heard. They heard america would be great again and prices would be lower. He also said hed stop illegals. They did not think they were voting for destroying the country. I agree with you thats what youd expect people to hear but thats not what they heard. No one really voted for this. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24931 Posts
On March 12 2025 02:34 BlackJack wrote: @WombaT, I think wokeism is on the decline. I've often given credit to the left for their willingness to reverse course instead of doubling down which is not something we would see by people on the right as we're currently witnessing as Trump crashes the economy. The woke discourse is 1) This isn't happening anywhere. 2) ok if it is happening then it's not a big deal. 3) Ok if it is a big deal then it's not wokeism so your grievance is invalid. I’m actually not sure it really has declined, culturally anyway. Institutionally it was never that prevalent, state policy wise it wasn’t that widespread. There is some rollback in some few locales where excess was a thing, and I’d agree a fair few politicians have reversed course in terms of action, as well as rhetoric. I think this is pretty consistent with what I, and others have been saying. Or put another way, now ‘wokeism’, for your moderate types or some of the left whose concern is excess at the expense of common sense, now has to compete for attention versus what Trump and the GOP are actually doing, every day. And it just can’t punch through that shitshow. I’m sure the same sort of ‘woke madness’ is happening somewhere. Which again is broadly the point many of us have made. It’s a narrative that requires a shitload of disparate, often trivial stories from all over the nation to be weaved together into a wave of wokeness. The second one stops being fed that diet, or just stops paying attention, or in this case (IMO) it just gets buried under a slew of current executive/federal policy, it disappears from view. On March 12 2025 02:51 BlackJack wrote: I'm pretty sure Jordan Peterson's rise to fame was from arguing against a bill in Canada that would make it a hate crime to intentionally misgender someone. I'm guessing you already knew that Geiko said this was happening in Canada/United States and you changed it to just asking for evidence this was happening in United States. I think our first amendment interpretations make it impossible for this to happen in the United States but I'm sure many people would like for it to happen. Didn’t (IIRC) Bill C-16 or whatever it was called not actually do that? Or at least we haven’t seen it invoked in actual prosecutions since? Going off memory, I may be wrong. I know Peterson is full of shit today, but he seemed earnest on principle there, even if he was mistaken. Which I can’t recall. That Peterson rose to international prominence for opposing a Canadian bill that may (or may not) have even done what he said is anti-wokeism in a nutshell. Hey maybe DPB is being disingenuous, maybe he’s plain old forgotten. Peterson’s initial rise was that long ago that it wasn’t anti-woke back then, but other buzzwords that I’ve genuinely forgotten. I wouldn’t mind a refresher actually! | ||
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BlackJack
United States10421 Posts
On March 12 2025 03:10 Gorsameth wrote: Thank you for proving our point. You don't know what your talking about but heard a thing from someone else so surely this must be real. Bill C-16 protects gender identity from discrimination, so you can't fire someone based on what they identify as, just like you can't fire someone for their age, race, sex, religion or disability. protects it from advocating genocide and public incitement of hate. Note that miss naming someone is not an incitement of hate and utterly does not fall under this. and adds sentencing guidelines for said hate crimes. The bill doesn't even talk about pronouns. https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identity-rights-bill-c-16-explained “Would it cover the accidental misuse of a pronoun? I would say it’s very unlikely,” Cossman says. “Would it cover a situation where an individual repeatedly, consistently refuses to use a person’s chosen pronoun? It might.” If someone refused to use a preferred pronoun — and it was determined to constitute discrimination or harassment — could that potentially result in jail time? It is possible, Brown says, through a process that would start with a complaint and progress to a proceeding before a human rights tribunal. If the tribunal rules that harassment or discrimination took place, there would typically be an order for monetary and non-monetary remedies. A non-monetary remedy may include sensitivity training, issuing an apology, or even a publication ban, he says. If the person refused to comply with the tribunal's order, this would result in a contempt proceeding being sent to the Divisional or Federal Court, Brown says. The court could then potentially send a person to jail “until they purge the contempt,” he says. “It could happen,” Brown says. “Is it likely to happen? I don’t think so. But, my opinion on whether or not that's likely has a lot to do with the particular case that you're looking at.” “The path to prison is not straightforward. It’s not easy. But, it’s there. It’s been used before in breach of tribunal orders.” | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21609 Posts
That isn't the counter argument you think it is. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44137 Posts
On March 12 2025 03:23 Sadist wrote: This is not what they heard. They heard america would be great again and prices would be lower. He also said hed stop illegals. They did not think they were voting for destroying the country. I agree with you thats what youd expect people to hear but thats not what they heard. No one really voted for this. On one hand, I agree. On the other hand, that's arguably just a semantics point. Trump said he'd raise tariffs and fire tons of people and incapacitate federal departments, and if his supporters ignore what all that actually leads to, then they're still responsible for their votes. They just didn't care to fact-check Trump because they're in a cult. | ||
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