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On March 11 2025 18:42 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2025 18:19 oBlade wrote:
"Forced use of pronouns" has many layers. It also includes being compelled to introduce yourself in a politically discordant way. For example starting a struggle session by being forced to identify yourself by protected characteristics and announce what pronouns "you" use, when in reality people don't use 3rd person pronouns for themselves unless they are speaking ironically or have another issue. Being obligated to put them in your email header/footer. Being taught to ask people theirs as part of introduction rituals. Furthermore, anything invented outside the fixed class that already exists, is what's linguistically wrong. Certain parts of speech are fixed classes. It's why there's no social ritual around allowing certain people to invent conjunctions and add them to the language, like hypothetically, Russian people insisting on using "whilesky" orsky "andanov." No one obligates you to sign your emails with your pronouns. I work in the wokiest of woke institutions and I never did. I have never had to introduce myself with my pronouns. I have never had to modify my behaviour in any way whatsoever. No one gives a shit. This is a manufactured issue.
Can you clarify: This is Spain you're referring to? And you work at a school?
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On March 11 2025 18:38 Uldridge wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2025 18:16 BlackJack wrote:On March 11 2025 18:12 Uldridge wrote:On March 11 2025 17:24 BlackJack wrote:
Never a response to any of the tangible examples I post. Always some long-winded "you've been captured by the right-wing outrage machine." Even if you want to use that argument on me, it's perhaps the dumbest theory to think SF voters are rejecting it because they have been captured by the Ben Shapiros and Charlie Kirks of the world. You don't need them for that. Trump and the anti-establishment megaphones and mainstream media outlets are enough already. Why do you need a tangible response? You've been talking about the same things for years now. So your theory is that San Francisco of all places has bought into Trump and others' talking points? That's why they're rejecting wokeism at the ballots? That's why they think their city is headed in the wrong direction? I think you need a better theory. My theory is that Trump is dominating the mediasphere. Buying into that isn't anything close to what I said. Hear something long enough and you become sick of it, no matter if you're pro or con. If you're not an activist, you just want to be done with it. Like I said in my previous post, wokeism has "lost" substantial ground. Not because it was some systemic conspiratorial push by the NWO to make all the children trans, but because it got more media attention than it deserved for far too long and "normal" (i.e. non activists) don't want/need that. Understand the difference please.
Still a ridiculous theory. People are influenced by their quality of life decreasing a lot more than the background noise from the media, be it from Trump or anyone else. If things were going swell in SF they would not have reversed course so hard or at all, despite Trump dominating the media sphere.
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Every time I've ever come across a new batch of students at the beginning of a school year, I ask if they go by any nicknames or other names besides the one that's officially written on my roster. Jonathan might be Jon or Jonny. Richard might by Rich or Richie or Dick. Katherine could be Kat or Kate or Katie. Sometimes, kids go by middle names or last names or other names altogether, making it difficult to predict what they'd prefer to be called without directly asking them. Sometimes Taylor is a boy's name, and sometimes Taylor is a girl's name, and sometimes you can't tell if Taylor is a boy or girl simply by looking at them. If John wants to be called Michael or if John wants to be called Jane, it's really not such a big deal. Introducing yourself by your preferred name has always been done, as well as addressing other related terms (Mrs. or Miss or Ms., Doctor if applicable, he or she or they, etc.). Respecting those preferences is extremely easy if you're interested in working with that person and building a rapport with them, and when it comes to pronouns it's ludicrously trivial to make the adjustment because you never ever need to use pronouns when referring to a person, if you really don't want to. In other words, you don't really need to make the adjustment if you're anti-trans. If you don't like that a person goes by she/her because you swear she's a he/him, then just avoid using gendered pronouns when addressing that person. People are actively going out of their way to be jerks and call others the wrong names and pronouns just to be smug, and that sort of bullying can happen whether the victim is trans or not.
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On March 11 2025 18:55 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2025 18:38 Uldridge wrote:On March 11 2025 18:16 BlackJack wrote:On March 11 2025 18:12 Uldridge wrote:On March 11 2025 17:24 BlackJack wrote:
Never a response to any of the tangible examples I post. Always some long-winded "you've been captured by the right-wing outrage machine." Even if you want to use that argument on me, it's perhaps the dumbest theory to think SF voters are rejecting it because they have been captured by the Ben Shapiros and Charlie Kirks of the world. You don't need them for that. Trump and the anti-establishment megaphones and mainstream media outlets are enough already. Why do you need a tangible response? You've been talking about the same things for years now. So your theory is that San Francisco of all places has bought into Trump and others' talking points? That's why they're rejecting wokeism at the ballots? That's why they think their city is headed in the wrong direction? I think you need a better theory. My theory is that Trump is dominating the mediasphere. Buying into that isn't anything close to what I said. Hear something long enough and you become sick of it, no matter if you're pro or con. If you're not an activist, you just want to be done with it. Like I said in my previous post, wokeism has "lost" substantial ground. Not because it was some systemic conspiratorial push by the NWO to make all the children trans, but because it got more media attention than it deserved for far too long and "normal" (i.e. non activists) don't want/need that. Understand the difference please. Still a ridiculous theory. People are influenced by their quality of life decreasing a lot more than the background noise from the media, be it from Trump or anyone else. If things were going swell in SF they would not have reversed course so hard or at all, despite Trump dominating the media sphere.
You actually trust people to correctly identify what causes decreases in their QOL?
Also welcome back, if you were ever gone or just lurking.
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On March 11 2025 18:51 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2025 18:42 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 11 2025 18:19 oBlade wrote:
"Forced use of pronouns" has many layers. It also includes being compelled to introduce yourself in a politically discordant way. For example starting a struggle session by being forced to identify yourself by protected characteristics and announce what pronouns "you" use, when in reality people don't use 3rd person pronouns for themselves unless they are speaking ironically or have another issue. Being obligated to put them in your email header/footer. Being taught to ask people theirs as part of introduction rituals. Furthermore, anything invented outside the fixed class that already exists, is what's linguistically wrong. Certain parts of speech are fixed classes. It's why there's no social ritual around allowing certain people to invent conjunctions and add them to the language, like hypothetically, Russian people insisting on using "whilesky" orsky "andanov." No one obligates you to sign your emails with your pronouns. I work in the wokiest of woke institutions and I never did. I have never had to introduce myself with my pronouns. I have never had to modify my behaviour in any way whatsoever. No one gives a shit. This is a manufactured issue. Can you clarify: This is Spain you're referring to? And you work at a school?
I am a top 1% researcher at a prestigious university. I am a professor and I run a research team. I get millions of funding for my research projects.
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On March 11 2025 19:11 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2025 18:51 oBlade wrote:On March 11 2025 18:42 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 11 2025 18:19 oBlade wrote:
"Forced use of pronouns" has many layers. It also includes being compelled to introduce yourself in a politically discordant way. For example starting a struggle session by being forced to identify yourself by protected characteristics and announce what pronouns "you" use, when in reality people don't use 3rd person pronouns for themselves unless they are speaking ironically or have another issue. Being obligated to put them in your email header/footer. Being taught to ask people theirs as part of introduction rituals. Furthermore, anything invented outside the fixed class that already exists, is what's linguistically wrong. Certain parts of speech are fixed classes. It's why there's no social ritual around allowing certain people to invent conjunctions and add them to the language, like hypothetically, Russian people insisting on using "whilesky" orsky "andanov." No one obligates you to sign your emails with your pronouns. I work in the wokiest of woke institutions and I never did. I have never had to introduce myself with my pronouns. I have never had to modify my behaviour in any way whatsoever. No one gives a shit. This is a manufactured issue. Can you clarify: This is Spain you're referring to? And you work at a school? I am a top 1% researcher at a prestigious university. I run a research team. I get millions of funding for my research projects.
In Spain?
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On March 11 2025 19:12 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2025 19:11 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 11 2025 18:51 oBlade wrote:On March 11 2025 18:42 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 11 2025 18:19 oBlade wrote:
"Forced use of pronouns" has many layers. It also includes being compelled to introduce yourself in a politically discordant way. For example starting a struggle session by being forced to identify yourself by protected characteristics and announce what pronouns "you" use, when in reality people don't use 3rd person pronouns for themselves unless they are speaking ironically or have another issue. Being obligated to put them in your email header/footer. Being taught to ask people theirs as part of introduction rituals. Furthermore, anything invented outside the fixed class that already exists, is what's linguistically wrong. Certain parts of speech are fixed classes. It's why there's no social ritual around allowing certain people to invent conjunctions and add them to the language, like hypothetically, Russian people insisting on using "whilesky" orsky "andanov." No one obligates you to sign your emails with your pronouns. I work in the wokiest of woke institutions and I never did. I have never had to introduce myself with my pronouns. I have never had to modify my behaviour in any way whatsoever. No one gives a shit. This is a manufactured issue. Can you clarify: This is Spain you're referring to? And you work at a school? I am a top 1% researcher at a prestigious university. I run a research team. I get millions of funding for my research projects. In Spain?
Look up a list of top world universities. How many of those are in Spain?
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On March 11 2025 19:14 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2025 19:12 oBlade wrote:On March 11 2025 19:11 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 11 2025 18:51 oBlade wrote:On March 11 2025 18:42 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 11 2025 18:19 oBlade wrote:
"Forced use of pronouns" has many layers. It also includes being compelled to introduce yourself in a politically discordant way. For example starting a struggle session by being forced to identify yourself by protected characteristics and announce what pronouns "you" use, when in reality people don't use 3rd person pronouns for themselves unless they are speaking ironically or have another issue. Being obligated to put them in your email header/footer. Being taught to ask people theirs as part of introduction rituals. Furthermore, anything invented outside the fixed class that already exists, is what's linguistically wrong. Certain parts of speech are fixed classes. It's why there's no social ritual around allowing certain people to invent conjunctions and add them to the language, like hypothetically, Russian people insisting on using "whilesky" orsky "andanov." No one obligates you to sign your emails with your pronouns. I work in the wokiest of woke institutions and I never did. I have never had to introduce myself with my pronouns. I have never had to modify my behaviour in any way whatsoever. No one gives a shit. This is a manufactured issue. Can you clarify: This is Spain you're referring to? And you work at a school? I am a top 1% researcher at a prestigious university. I run a research team. I get millions of funding for my research projects. In Spain? Look up a list of top world universities. How many of those are in Spain?
Probably at least one, I would wager. I am not here to get into a useless spat about relative nationalism, I was asking for basic clarification what your anecdote is referring to because your profile is set to Spain.
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On March 11 2025 19:18 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2025 19:14 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 11 2025 19:12 oBlade wrote:On March 11 2025 19:11 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 11 2025 18:51 oBlade wrote:On March 11 2025 18:42 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 11 2025 18:19 oBlade wrote:
"Forced use of pronouns" has many layers. It also includes being compelled to introduce yourself in a politically discordant way. For example starting a struggle session by being forced to identify yourself by protected characteristics and announce what pronouns "you" use, when in reality people don't use 3rd person pronouns for themselves unless they are speaking ironically or have another issue. Being obligated to put them in your email header/footer. Being taught to ask people theirs as part of introduction rituals. Furthermore, anything invented outside the fixed class that already exists, is what's linguistically wrong. Certain parts of speech are fixed classes. It's why there's no social ritual around allowing certain people to invent conjunctions and add them to the language, like hypothetically, Russian people insisting on using "whilesky" orsky "andanov." No one obligates you to sign your emails with your pronouns. I work in the wokiest of woke institutions and I never did. I have never had to introduce myself with my pronouns. I have never had to modify my behaviour in any way whatsoever. No one gives a shit. This is a manufactured issue. Can you clarify: This is Spain you're referring to? And you work at a school? I am a top 1% researcher at a prestigious university. I run a research team. I get millions of funding for my research projects. In Spain? Look up a list of top world universities. How many of those are in Spain? Probably at least one, I would wager. I am not here to get into a useless spat about relative nationalism, I was asking for basic clarification what your anecdote is referring to because your profile is set to Spain.
It was probably Lithuania, so you can rest assured your gotcha of "AHA, THAT'S NOT AMERICA" is safe. Just go for it.
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On March 11 2025 19:02 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2025 18:55 BlackJack wrote:On March 11 2025 18:38 Uldridge wrote:On March 11 2025 18:16 BlackJack wrote:On March 11 2025 18:12 Uldridge wrote:On March 11 2025 17:24 BlackJack wrote:
Never a response to any of the tangible examples I post. Always some long-winded "you've been captured by the right-wing outrage machine." Even if you want to use that argument on me, it's perhaps the dumbest theory to think SF voters are rejecting it because they have been captured by the Ben Shapiros and Charlie Kirks of the world. You don't need them for that. Trump and the anti-establishment megaphones and mainstream media outlets are enough already. Why do you need a tangible response? You've been talking about the same things for years now. So your theory is that San Francisco of all places has bought into Trump and others' talking points? That's why they're rejecting wokeism at the ballots? That's why they think their city is headed in the wrong direction? I think you need a better theory. My theory is that Trump is dominating the mediasphere. Buying into that isn't anything close to what I said. Hear something long enough and you become sick of it, no matter if you're pro or con. If you're not an activist, you just want to be done with it. Like I said in my previous post, wokeism has "lost" substantial ground. Not because it was some systemic conspiratorial push by the NWO to make all the children trans, but because it got more media attention than it deserved for far too long and "normal" (i.e. non activists) don't want/need that. Understand the difference please. Still a ridiculous theory. People are influenced by their quality of life decreasing a lot more than the background noise from the media, be it from Trump or anyone else. If things were going swell in SF they would not have reversed course so hard or at all, despite Trump dominating the media sphere. You actually trust people to correctly identify what causes decreases in their QOL? Also welcome back, if you were ever gone or just lurking.
Some of the time. If people constantly witness shoplifters walking out of stores and then the next time they go shopping everything is locked behind plexiglass and they have to putter around looking for a worker to unlock the case then they can probably connect those two things. If their local grocery store closes down due to rampant shoplifting leaving them in a food desert they can probably deduce that we’ve become a little too permissive with petty crimes. I expect people to correctly identify the cause of that QOL decrease. The macroeconomic factors than affect the price of eggs, not so much.
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On March 11 2025 18:55 BlackJack wrote:
Still a ridiculous theory. People are influenced by their quality of life decreasing a lot more than the background noise from the media, be it from Trump or anyone else. If things were going swell in SF they would not have reversed course so hard or at all, despite Trump dominating the media sphere.
People's lived realities are shaped by narratives and feelings, not by actualities. Unless it slaps them in the face.
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On March 11 2025 19:18 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2025 19:14 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 11 2025 19:12 oBlade wrote:On March 11 2025 19:11 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 11 2025 18:51 oBlade wrote:On March 11 2025 18:42 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 11 2025 18:19 oBlade wrote:
"Forced use of pronouns" has many layers. It also includes being compelled to introduce yourself in a politically discordant way. For example starting a struggle session by being forced to identify yourself by protected characteristics and announce what pronouns "you" use, when in reality people don't use 3rd person pronouns for themselves unless they are speaking ironically or have another issue. Being obligated to put them in your email header/footer. Being taught to ask people theirs as part of introduction rituals. Furthermore, anything invented outside the fixed class that already exists, is what's linguistically wrong. Certain parts of speech are fixed classes. It's why there's no social ritual around allowing certain people to invent conjunctions and add them to the language, like hypothetically, Russian people insisting on using "whilesky" orsky "andanov." No one obligates you to sign your emails with your pronouns. I work in the wokiest of woke institutions and I never did. I have never had to introduce myself with my pronouns. I have never had to modify my behaviour in any way whatsoever. No one gives a shit. This is a manufactured issue. Can you clarify: This is Spain you're referring to? And you work at a school? I am a top 1% researcher at a prestigious university. I run a research team. I get millions of funding for my research projects. In Spain? Look up a list of top world universities. How many of those are in Spain? Probably at least one, I would wager. I am not here to get into a useless spat about relative nationalism, I was asking for basic clarification what your anecdote is referring to because your profile is set to Spain.
You can set up your profile to any country you wish. I haven't been in Spain since I finished uni.
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On March 11 2025 17:11 Geiko wrote:
I don't usually agree with BJ but he is pretty much right in this instance.
The American left went totally over the top with things like forced use of pronouns, cancel culture, extreme affirmative action, transwomen in women's sports etc.
And now we have Trump and I'd have to say the blame falls at least partially on the shoulders of the sane people on the left that let this happen.
1. Forced use of pronouns? Everyone already uses pronouns. It's a basic part of speech. And no one is forcing you to call a person by their preferred pronouns, because you can still just call them by their names. I go by he/him, but you never need to use he/him when referring to me, if you don't want to, because you could just call me DPB (or you could say "you" if you're speaking directly with me - which is another pronoun, but not a gendered one).
2. Cancel culture? Everyone uses cancel culture. Republicans try to cancel people and businesses just as much as Democrats do.
3. Extreme affirmative action? What does that mean?
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On March 11 2025 17:33 Luolis wrote:Imagine being asked to respect people's identity. So rude and woke. Cancel culture went so far that we now have... *checks notes* a racist rapist as the president of the US. If that's not an indication that "cancel culture" was never a big deal, then i don't know what is. "Extreme affirmative action" just feels like another buzzword to get around blaming black people for issues, just like "CRT", "woke" and "DEI". It's not like there has been no issue, but again super overblown compared to the levels of this actually happening. The most nuanced issue on the list, and personally as a trans woman i think we need more research on the "fairness" of it and if HRT helps enough to mitigate the effects of male puberty. Regardless, it's also a super super super niche issue, and if that alone made a person vote for Trump, i'd call them uneducated.
It does.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lindseyedarvin/2024/04/25/transgender-athletes-could-be-at-a-physical-disadvantage-new-research-shows/
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On March 11 2025 20:13 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2025 17:33 Luolis wrote:On March 11 2025 17:11 Geiko wrote:
forced use of pronouns Imagine being asked to respect people's identity. So rude and woke. cancel culture Cancel culture went so far that we now have... *checks notes* a racist rapist as the president of the US. If that's not an indication that "cancel culture" was never a big deal, then i don't know what is. extreme affirmative action "Extreme affirmative action" just feels like another buzzword to get around blaming black people for issues, just like "CRT", "woke" and "DEI". It's not like there has been no issue, but again super overblown compared to the levels of this actually happening. transwomen in women's sports The most nuanced issue on the list, and personally as a trans woman i think we need more research on the "fairness" of it and if HRT helps enough to mitigate the effects of male puberty. Regardless, it's also a super super super niche issue, and if that alone made a person vote for Trump, i'd call them uneducated. It does. https://www.forbes.com/sites/lindseyedarvin/2024/04/25/transgender-athletes-could-be-at-a-physical-disadvantage-new-research-shows/
Those significant findings are pretty darn significant, especially transgender women performing worse than cisgender women in tests measuring lower-body strength and lung function.
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On March 11 2025 17:33 Luolis wrote:Imagine being asked to respect people's identity. So rude and woke. Cancel culture went so far that we now have... *checks notes* a racist rapist as the president of the US. If that's not an indication that "cancel culture" was never a big deal, then i don't know what is. "Extreme affirmative action" just feels like another buzzword to get around blaming black people for issues, just like "CRT", "woke" and "DEI". It's not like there has been no issue, but again super overblown compared to the levels of this actually happening. The most nuanced issue on the list, and personally as a trans woman i think we need more research on the "fairness" of it and if HRT helps enough to mitigate the effects of male puberty. Regardless, it's also a super super super niche issue, and if that alone made a person vote for Trump, i'd call them uneducated.
Most people would agree to be kind to your fellow men and women and call them by whatever they want to be called. Most people would also agree that having everyone write he/him in their resume or taking 5minutes before every meeting to let people tell everyone what their favorite pronoun is, is way over the line.
Cancel culture was a big thing in 2020 and now the pendulum has completely swung in the other direction where making nazi salutes is A-OK. That only strengthens my point that the people going into one extreme are partially to blame for the popularity of the other extreme.
I'm not saying affirmative action is to blame for everything wrong in society, I'm saying it's usually seen by the more moderate voters as something irrational. At the core of it it's discrimination against a race of people, even if that race has "privilege".
All of these issues are super niche as you said, which is why it's silly to let the extreme left campaign on those by tacitly letting it happen. You're only angering the far right even more than they already are and pushing away the weak minded independents to the right.
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On March 11 2025 20:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2025 17:11 Geiko wrote:
I don't usually agree with BJ but he is pretty much right in this instance.
The American left went totally over the top with things like forced use of pronouns, cancel culture, extreme affirmative action, transwomen in women's sports etc.
And now we have Trump and I'd have to say the blame falls at least partially on the shoulders of the sane people on the left that let this happen. 1. Forced use of pronouns? Everyone already uses pronouns. It's a basic part of speech. And no one is forcing you to call a person by their preferred pronouns, because you can still just call them by their names. I go by he/him, but you never need to use he/him when referring to me, if you don't want to, because you could just call me DPB (or you could say "you" if you're speaking directly with me - which is another pronoun, but not a gendered one). 2. Cancel culture? Everyone uses cancel culture. Republicans try to cancel people and businesses just as much as Democrats do. 3. Extreme affirmative action? What does that mean?
1) in the US/canada, there was at some point talks of making it a hate crime to misgender someone. I don't know the specifics but it seems bizarre that I can call someone an asshole and I'm protected by freespeech but i can't call someone "she" if he identifies as he.
2) everyone uses cancel culture and it's fucking toxic and part of the reason that US politics are so into extremes currently.
3) for me extreme affirmative action would refer to things such as race based college admissions (quotas), minority only scholarships, and dei hiring practises. None of those exists in europe (at least not to the same extent as in the usa) and I feel society is more balanced here.
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On March 11 2025 21:28 Geiko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2025 20:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 11 2025 17:11 Geiko wrote:
I don't usually agree with BJ but he is pretty much right in this instance.
The American left went totally over the top with things like forced use of pronouns, cancel culture, extreme affirmative action, transwomen in women's sports etc.
And now we have Trump and I'd have to say the blame falls at least partially on the shoulders of the sane people on the left that let this happen. 1. Forced use of pronouns? Everyone already uses pronouns. It's a basic part of speech. And no one is forcing you to call a person by their preferred pronouns, because you can still just call them by their names. I go by he/him, but you never need to use he/him when referring to me, if you don't want to, because you could just call me DPB (or you could say "you" if you're speaking directly with me - which is another pronoun, but not a gendered one). 2. Cancel culture? Everyone uses cancel culture. Republicans try to cancel people and businesses just as much as Democrats do. 3. Extreme affirmative action? What does that mean? 1) in the US/canada, there was at some point talks of making it a hate crime to misgender someone. I don't know the specifics but it seems bizarre that I can call someone an asshole and I'm protected by freespeech but i can't call someone "she" if he identifies as he. 2) everyone uses cancel culture and it's fucking toxic and part of the reason that US politics are so into extremes currently. 3) for me extreme affirmative action would refer to things such as race based college admissions (quotas), minority only scholarships, and dei hiring practises. None of those exists in europe (at least not to the same extent as in the usa) and I feel society is more balanced here.
There is plenty of talk about quotas in Europe, especially in the context boards and comitees. Certain studies discuss quotas as well, like a male quota for psychology.
The main difference is that this is not that much of a national political issue, and I think the 2-party system needs to take some blame for this.
Europe does not have a recent past where "all" blacks were slaves, which makes the US' view of race and racism hard to relate to. Our racism has typically not been about skin color, but rather religion, language, birth place and culture.
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The advantage Europeans have is we all hate each other, but also ourselves.
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On March 11 2025 21:28 Geiko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2025 20:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 11 2025 17:11 Geiko wrote:
I don't usually agree with BJ but he is pretty much right in this instance.
The American left went totally over the top with things like forced use of pronouns, cancel culture, extreme affirmative action, transwomen in women's sports etc.
And now we have Trump and I'd have to say the blame falls at least partially on the shoulders of the sane people on the left that let this happen. 1. Forced use of pronouns? Everyone already uses pronouns. It's a basic part of speech. And no one is forcing you to call a person by their preferred pronouns, because you can still just call them by their names. I go by he/him, but you never need to use he/him when referring to me, if you don't want to, because you could just call me DPB (or you could say "you" if you're speaking directly with me - which is another pronoun, but not a gendered one). 2. Cancel culture? Everyone uses cancel culture. Republicans try to cancel people and businesses just as much as Democrats do. 3. Extreme affirmative action? What does that mean? 1) in the US/canada, there was at some point talks of making it a hate crime to misgender someone. I don't know the specifics but it seems bizarre that I can call someone an asshole and I'm protected by freespeech but i can't call someone "she" if he identifies as he. 2) everyone uses cancel culture and it's fucking toxic and part of the reason that US politics are so into extremes currently. 3) for me extreme affirmative action would refer to things such as race based college admissions (quotas), minority only scholarships, and dei hiring practises. None of those exists in europe (at least not to the same extent as in the usa) and I feel society is more balanced here.
1. What you wrote sounds extremely vague, and I don't know of anything like that happening in the United States. Do you? What bills were proposed to make misgendering someone a hate crime? Anyone can assert that there are "talks" of anything. Here's an article from *yesterday* citing an actual proposed bill making it a felony to be a trans person: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/10/tom-oliverson-texas-transgender-bill/82243226007/
2. I think whether or not "cancelling" something is toxic depends on context, every single time. There are many instances where accusations and bans and protests are justified, and many instances where they're not. In some cases, people are overreacting; in others, people are appropriately holding other people and businesses accountable for their actions.
3a. "race based college admissions (quotas)" Those were already deemed unconstitutional back in 1978. If you're talking about whether or not college admissions should be allowed to consider all identity factors, including race, when evaluating students, then that's certainly still a point of controversy.
3b. "minority only scholarships" Can't anyone create a scholarship program for pretty much any reason though? Should non-teachers have access to teacher-only scholarships? Should rich people have access to working-class scholarships?
3c. What do you mean by "DEI hiring practices"? From my understanding, DEI hiring practices aim to do things like ensure that qualified non-white people aren't overlooked in favor of unqualified white people.
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