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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 12 2018 17:10 GMT
#9141
On July 13 2018 01:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The line between mainstream Dems and Conservative GOP members is increasing blurry. Any politician who protests but does nothing else one might look at where they get their money from.

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ANDREW CUOMO HAS a glaring conflict of interest when it comes to the politics of abolishing ICE. Luxury landlords across the state collect millions in rent from the agency — money they have turned around and funneled to Cuomo’s political campaigns, according to a new report by the New York-based watchdog group Public Accountability Initiative.

Cuomo, meanwhile, hasn’t joined other New York politicians — from likely incoming Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to 2020 hopeful Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand — in calling to dismantle Immigration and Customs Enforcement, instead telling NY1 recently that the agency “should be a bona fide law enforcement organization that prudently and diligently enforces the law.”

Looking largely at publicly available data from the General Services external lease database, PAI researchers have documented extensive financial ties from Cuomo donors and members of his inner circle to ICE and Customs and Border Protection — the main agencies tasked with carrying out America’s increasingly brutal immigration policies. Since his first run for governor in 2011, PAI found that Cuomo has accepted at least $807,483 from companies, individuals, and the relatives of people who rent space to federal immigration authorities, and furnished many of them with positions in state government.

Rob Galbraith, PAI’s senior research analyst, told me by phone, “We saw that a lot of people were investigating the private-sector actors benefiting from immigration policy. We found that there is a significant overlap [between] those actors and the landlords and real estate interests that have close ties to the Cuomo administration.”

Cuomo’s primary challenger, Cynthia Nixon, who has called for abolishing ICE, wrote in an emailed statement that “while its reprehensible that Governor Cuomo has profited from ICE’s existence, it’s hardly surprising. … Many have been bewildered by the Governor’s continued support for ICE as its atrocities mount and so many other New York leaders have called for ICE’s abolition. Now we have an explanation: the Governor won’t call to abolish Trump’s rogue deportation force because his donors don’t want him to.”

In Manhattan, the iconic Starrett-Lehigh Building — co-owned by RXR Realty and Blackstone Group — has for 16 years been home to an ICE Homeland Security Investigation field office, which pays $12.4 million a year to lease part of the sprawling property overlooking the Hudson River, which bills itself as “a place to create, to influence and to succeed.” ICE’s fellow Starrett-Lehigh tenants include period-proof underwear brand Thinx and the offices of Martha Stewart’s multifaceted lifestyle brand.

The agency that handles leasing for federal agencies is the U.S. General Services Administration. Asked about standard procedures for federal agency leasing, GSA Regional Public Affairs officer Alison Kohler said over email that GSA “leases space from private entities when it is the best solution to meet the space requirements of GSA’s federal agency customers.”

In the case of the Starrett-Lehigh Building, GSA — using eminent domain or “condemnation” — relocated federal immigration enforcement offices there after 9/11, when the World Trade Center offices of several agencies that would eventually be consolidated into the Department of Homeland Security were destroyed. “GSA used its condemnation authority for immediate occupancy, and then executed a 10-year lease in November 2002 with renewal options. GSA exercised one option in 2013,” Kohler said.

Top executives at both RXR Realty and Blackstone, which acquired its stake in the building in 2015, have close ties to the Governor’s Mansion.

The chair and CEO of RXR Realty is Scott Rechler, whose family has donated at least $613,000 to Cuomo’s various runs for office. In exchange, Cuomo appointed Rechler to the board of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, a post he held from 2011 to 2016. In 2017, Cuomo tapped him again, this time for a seat on the board of the notoriously dysfunctional Metropolitan Transportation Authority that he still holds. A New York Times investigation found that Rechler and several other Cuomo appointees continued to give to the governor after taking their state jobs, despite a 2007 executive order from former Gov. Eliot Spitzer that sought to prohibit such arrangements. On top of his government posts, Rechler is also a member of the Real Estate Board of New York, an influential trade lobby for developers in the city whose other members have also given generously to Cuomo.

In a statement over email, Rechler said, “While I have the utmost respect for the career professionals at the Department of Homeland Security and within ICE, as an American, I do find certain federal policies set by the current Administration relating to immigration, including family separation, to be disturbing and inhumane. It is my hope that we rethink our nation’s approach to immigrants and immigration more broadly.”


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According to the New York Times, all of Lesley Zemsky’s $95,000 in donations to Cuomo were given after her husband’s appointments. Zemsky himself stopped donating to Cuomo after taking those positions, though that didn’t stop Cuomo from bringing him along to an at least $1,000-a-seat fundraiser for his campaign last summer, attendees to which very likely included executives at companies that Zemsky has the power to award contracts and tax breaks to through his controversial upstate development plans. To fortify the pair’s friendship, Zemsky paid an estimated $5,000 last summer to charter a private plane for Cuomo to and from Buffalo to officiate his daughter Kayla’s wedding. “Obviously, I am not going to ask him to come across the state at taxpayer expense, so I provided transportation,” Zemsky told the New York Daily News.

Another Western New York landlord, Uniland Development, collects $1.95 million per year from ICE and $562,756 from CBP in rent, in Buffalo and Cheektowaga, respectively. Uniland and the family that controls it, the Montates, have altogether donated at least $39,500 to Cuomo’s campaigns. Both of these properties, GSA writes, were obtained via a competitive bidding process for a federal contract that Uniland won.

The PAI report goes on to list several other ICE and CBP lessors that have given to Cuomo in smaller amounts. Researchers also note that Cuomo attended a $5,000-a-plate fundraiser in a private box at Mets stadium for the lobbying firm Constantinople & Vallone, which represents private prison and immigration detention center contractor GEO Group.

Staff from Cuomo’s offices did not return The Intercept’s requests for comment. A spokesperson for ICE refused to comment on leasing, directing us to submit a FOIA request. A spokesperson from CBP referred us to GSA.


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You are not wrong about that. I think one of the biggest issues in 2018 and 2020 is going to be disentangling campaign funding from these agencies. The increased use of contractors by agencies like ICE has become a huge problem because it allows them to hide spending behind existing infrastructure or private companies. If the goverment made a program to store and track licence plates across the country, people naturally not trust it. But private company selling their data bases to ICE flies under the radar and never trips up the public's perception of the agency.

The worst part about the current funding system for campaigns is that even progressives candidates are going to have to be very wary of where they get money from. The is going to be a lot of effort but behind obfuscating who is donating to a campaign and what industries they really represent.

Also, calling those companies "landlords" is a bit of a misuse of the term. Landlords are typically individuals that rent properties. Those companies are large property management firms that represent property owners. Even if the company itself owners the property they rent, I doubt they are the owner of record. An investment group own the properties and run a company to manage them, to protect themselves from liability.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 12 2018 17:11 GMT
#9142
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 17:23:05
July 12 2018 17:15 GMT
#9143
On July 13 2018 01:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 00:53 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On July 13 2018 00:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On July 13 2018 00:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
This is some weird temporal disturbance stuff.


here was Canada's future defense spending policies in March.
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/whats-happening-to-canadas-defence-spending/

note an "eye popping" increase of 70%. Its "eye popping" because the liberals did not promise an increase in spending during the election. they had zero plans to increase spending.

Trudeau did not promise increased military spending... he was pressured into it.
https://www.macleans.ca/politics/canada-to-increase-defence-spending-by-14-billion-over-10-years/

"The plan also comes as Canada and other NATO allies have faced pressure from U.S. President Donald Trump to dramatically increase defence spending to reach two per cent of GDP."

when is the last time Canada had a defense budget equal to 2% of GDP? the Korean war?


The temporal disturbance continues.

You cite an article from March 2018 about Canada's 2018 budget being a reduction, but still having a 10-year plan to increase spending, then a June 7 2017 article (basically the Newsweek article redux) about the 10-year increase in spending.

None of this has anything to do with the recent summit because it happened in June 2017 and nothing's changed in a year, and none of it will result in spending of 2% GDP because it's a 70% projected increase in dollars spent, not share of GDP.

the temporal disturbance continues...

none of this has to do with Trudeau's out-of-nowhere decision to dramatically increase military spending and what motivated this new policy.

his increase in military spending is due to Trump turning up the heat. so i'd count that as a negotiated win on the part of Trump.

I've never seen a liberal government promise a 70% increase in military spending... have you?

also, Trudeau conceded Trump's language and discussed hitting 2% of GDP. Previously, he had never spoken in these terms.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/07/12/trudeau-bills-pre-existing-defence-plan-as-answer-to-trumps-nato-spending-call.html

again, a negotiated win for Trump


If you can find any evidence that Trump was a factor in Canada's June 2017 decision to expand it's military to 1.4% GDP and get closer to the NATO pledge the country made that predated Trump to reach closer to 2% by 2026, then I guess it's a win for him. And I'm sure Trump considers it such because he's a self-aggrandizing buffoon who believes everything is the result of his actions and probably at this point isn't even aware that the 2% pledge predates him, and if someone showed him today that article you linked he would be far too lazy to see it was from June 2017.

But it cannot possibly be the result of the July 2018 NATO summit or negotiations as you said originally and we have not seen any changes in plans from Canada based on the NATO summit yet, and I hope you realize that.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 12 2018 17:26 GMT
#9144
It sounds like Trudeau brought up that they had decided to raise spending and framed it as some sort of concession or commitment to NATO while talking to Trump. Trump is either aware these were more or less existing plans or he's not - in the former case he's a liar, in the latter case he's uninformed (to put it in the most generous terms possible).
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11322 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 18:30:36
July 12 2018 18:29 GMT
#9145
I'll believe a 2% when I see it. We have a long history of 'aiming' for this or that when it comes to military spending... and then when it comes down to it, it's easier to not spend that money.

Also, Trudeau seems to be saying the opposite:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-takes-questions-nato-july-1.4743477

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Canada hasn't committed to spending new money on defence, despite U.S. President Donald Trump's comments that he convinced NATO allies to dramatically hike spending.

Instead, Trudeau said at the wrap of the summit in Brussels that Canada has reaffirmed its commitment to work toward contributing two per cent of its gross domestic product to military spending — the military alliance's benchmark —and reverse any cuts.

This is perhaps my favourite bit of political-speak. A 'commitment to work towards contributing'. How much will they 'work towards' really? Time will tell, but even .001% increase is 'working towards', I suppose.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 18:34:53
July 12 2018 18:34 GMT
#9146
My god, he is being played like a fiddle, just like we said he would. A few nice words here and there placate him while NK builds more nuclear plants. They got everything they want and we got nothing in return save a photo op for the President. I'm not sure why anyone expected this to play out differently (iirc some people here were excited to see what he would accomplish with NK lol).

Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7196 Posts
July 12 2018 18:43 GMT
#9147
Oh man, "Your Excellency" you can't make this stuff up, you can feel the dick-slobber dribbling off of the chin of the person who drafted that letter.

Has anything actually been accomplished to warrant that, or is it just something they're going to do periodically to make Trump think hes winning and stop paying any attention to their nuclear arms program?
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 18:47:17
July 12 2018 18:45 GMT
#9148
On July 13 2018 03:43 Zambrah wrote:
Oh man, "Your Excellency" you can't make this stuff up, you can feel the dick-slobber dribbling off of the chin of the person who drafted that letter.

Has anything actually been accomplished to warrant that, or is it just something they're going to do periodically to make Trump think hes winning and stop paying any attention to their nuclear arms program?

no there have not been any actual accomplishments to warrant it. just vague and empty promises and a toothless agreement. (unless you're talking about accomplishments that favor NK, in which case they have had some)

I expect them to continue using that tactic (at least part of the time), because it seems to be working well for them.
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
July 12 2018 18:46 GMT
#9149
On July 13 2018 03:43 Zambrah wrote:
Oh man, "Your Excellency" you can't make this stuff up, you can feel the dick-slobber dribbling off of the chin of the person who drafted that letter.

Has anything actually been accomplished to warrant that, or is it just something they're going to do periodically to make Trump think hes winning and stop paying any attention to their nuclear arms program?


That's sound a bit like banggoods customer support. Every time i have to deal with them, they're disgustingly friendly. Like, not the good friendly, but the footlicking, cringy, uncomfortable friendly.

They obviously don't mean any of it.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 18:47:55
July 12 2018 18:47 GMT
#9150
On July 13 2018 03:43 Zambrah wrote:
Oh man, "Your Excellency" you can't make this stuff up, you can feel the dick-slobber dribbling off of the chin of the person who drafted that letter.

Has anything actually been accomplished to warrant that, or is it just something they're going to do periodically to make Trump think hes winning and stop paying any attention to their nuclear arms program?


You nailed it with the last point. Trump is perhaps the easiest to manipulate person in the history of politics. Like literally... ever. You feed into his alternate reality narrative he lives in and/or flatter him and he will treat you like a friend.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 18:56:23
July 12 2018 18:56 GMT
#9151
Can't believe he posted that the day NK just didn't bother to show up to talk about returning remains as they said they would. What a supreme moron.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 19:11:49
July 12 2018 19:02 GMT
#9152
Special reminder that Trump bragged that NK had already returned the remains of US soldiers killed during the Korean War. That was a lie, they only agreed to do it. There was a meeting set up to discuss it, which the North Koreans never showed up for and refuse to acknowledge ever existed.

Trump got played again.

Edit: Beat me to it.



Translation: we would rather let the man child have his way because those tariffs are going to have nominal impacts on our billionaire backers.

Paul Ryan forgot where his veto override button, which he broke out when Obama vetoed a very bad law. Ryan is somehow more pathetic as a lame duck speaker.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 19:42:12
July 12 2018 19:40 GMT
#9153


This hearing continues to be an embarrassment to the House. This thing has gone full clown show. The president has an affair with a porn star and these jokers go after this FBI agent. I'm sure we will get a highlight reel, but this the conservatives trying to get blood for a stone.
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
July 12 2018 19:46 GMT
#9154
There are many disgraces in that room today. None of them are Peter. This has gone full-blown looneyville.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 19:49:46
July 12 2018 19:47 GMT
#9155
Even if he doesn't slip up, Fox et al. will manufacture some blood though. Just play reels of the R's saying negative things about him omitting his responses, make up some smug nickname that Russian twitterbots can boost as a hash tag, and they're golden. They had to know post-closed questioning they wouldn't get more than that so they're probably prepped.

Plus Trump will surely tweet some stupid-ass comment that will be implicitly believed by his true believers. Before you know it Smug Snake Strzok demonstrated clear bias today and we need to shut down the investigation he was removed from.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States22991 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 19:50:05
July 12 2018 19:49 GMT
#9156
On July 13 2018 04:40 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1017489637198229504

This hearing continues to be an embarrassment to the House. This thing has gone full clown show. The president has an affair with a porn star and these jokers go after this FBI agent. I'm sure we will get a highlight reel, but this the conservatives trying to get blood for a stone.


ROFLMAO Maxine Waters is the realest one.

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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
July 12 2018 19:54 GMT
#9157
On July 13 2018 04:47 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Even if he doesn't slip up, Fox et al. will manufacture some blood though. Just play reels of the R's saying negative things about him omitting his responses, make up some smug nickname that Russian twitterbots can boost as a hash tag, and they're golden. They had to know post-closed questioning they wouldn't get more than that so they're probably prepped.

Plus Trump will surely tweet some stupid-ass comment that will be implicitly believed by his true believers. Before you know it Smug Snake Strzok demonstrated clear bias today and we need to shut down the investigation he was removed from.

Oh, you should look for the clips of him elsewhere in this, he did his homework and knows where he stands, and is firmly within the boundaries of both reality and propriety. If he's slipped up, I haven't seen it yet.

Though granted, what you say will come to pass. There are already people saying shit like he should be fired and pay back every dollar he ever made at the FBI, lol. All for having his own opinion about Trump. In the Orwellian state we now inhabit, this is obviously unacceptable.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4682 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 19:58:03
July 12 2018 19:55 GMT
#9158
I'm more amazed that a man fired from the investigation he desperately wanted to be be on, removed from his FBI position at the recommendation of the proper office, a subject of a long, scathing IG report has managed to impress people and turn himself into a #resistance hero by partaking in this political theater. LOL.

But I forgot. everyone's first reaction to him getting canned was "but his pension!" If he hates Trump then you all love him. Have to find out if anything actually useful was said later, I guess.

edit: wait that pension part was McCabe. oh all part of the same crew, the same weird respect for a few days.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 19:59:23
July 12 2018 19:57 GMT
#9159
On July 13 2018 04:55 Introvert wrote:
I'm more amazed that a man fired from the investigation he desperately wanted to be be on, removed from his FBI position at the recommendation of the proper office, subject of a long, scathing IG report has managed to impress people and turn himself into a #resistance hero by partaking in this political theater. LOL.

But I forgot. everyone's first reaction to him getting canned was "but his pension!" If he hates Trump then you all love him. Have to find out if anything actually useful was said later, I guess.


I think you're confusing McCabe with Strzok there. McCabe also got the lion's share of the IG report, I think (or at least that's what the reporting on it said) though it said Strzok's texts showed a "biased state of mind." Strzok's still working at FBI.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 20:01:16
July 12 2018 19:58 GMT
#9160
On July 13 2018 04:55 Introvert wrote:
I'm more amazed that a man fired from the investigation he desperately wanted to be be on, removed from his FBI position at the recommendation of the proper office, subject of a long, scathing IG report has managed to impress people and turn himself into a #resistance hero by partaking in this political theater. LOL.

But I forgot. everyone's first reaction to him getting canned was "but his pension!" If he hates Trump then you all love him. Have to find out if anything actually useful was said later, I guess.

wait that pension part was McCabe

It's more amazing that we're even here. This thing with Peter has been a total non-starter from day 1. As soon as the slightest whiff of something improper came up, Mueller didn't hesitate to drop him from the team. Gowdy and his cronies have been nothing less than a bunch of clowns, scrambling to kiss the ring.
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