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On July 12 2018 21:19 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2018 19:46 Slydie wrote:edition.cnn.comTrump is continuing his gradeschool bully approach to international diplomacy. To me, it seems like he is courting his supporter base, probably knowing his bluff is called by the foreign leaders. If the defence budgets DO increase, it will be because Europe do not trust the US as an ally, and need not to depend on them. This will be a disaster for the US as a would-be superpower. Trump's diplomatic relations meetings: 1: Say how terrible *x foreign country* is for some reason 2: Arrange meeting saying its going to be historic and great for America 3: Go to meeting and make demands 4: Claim victory and go home 5: Start the cycle again when none of his ridiculous demands are met.
In the case of NK, the Trump administration is now on stage 5 and trying to pretend NK doesn’t exist.
Edit: looks like Stormy Daniels was arrested at a strip club she worked at. Apparently she violated a little known and rarely enforced law about letting patrons touch her while preforming. Sounds legit.
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On July 12 2018 21:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2018 21:19 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 12 2018 19:46 Slydie wrote:edition.cnn.comTrump is continuing his gradeschool bully approach to international diplomacy. To me, it seems like he is courting his supporter base, probably knowing his bluff is called by the foreign leaders. If the defence budgets DO increase, it will be because Europe do not trust the US as an ally, and need not to depend on them. This will be a disaster for the US as a would-be superpower. Trump's diplomatic relations meetings: 1: Say how terrible *x foreign country* is for some reason 2: Arrange meeting saying its going to be historic and great for America 3: Go to meeting and make demands 4: Claim victory and go home 5: Start the cycle again when none of his ridiculous demands are met. In the case of NK, the Trump administration is now on stage 5 and trying to pretend NK doesn’t exist. Edit: looks like Stormy Daniels was arrested at a strip club she worked at. Apparently she violated a little known and rarely enforced law about letting patrons touch her while preforming. Sounds legit.
Lock her up!
Lock her up!
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https://www.thenation.com/article/dark-money-behind-campus-speech-wars/
I found the attached article this morning about the Koch Brothers and others funding the “Free Speech” movement on campuses. Yet another effort by billionaires to change the culture of American institutions through professional astro-turfing by pretending to be a grass roots organization, giving the impression that the conservative movement is larger than it is.
This isn’t about free speech, but an effort to blunt student activism on campuses and force them to accept paid shills as public speakers.
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On July 12 2018 21:19 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2018 19:46 Slydie wrote:edition.cnn.comTrump is continuing his gradeschool bully approach to international diplomacy. To me, it seems like he is courting his supporter base, probably knowing his bluff is called by the foreign leaders. If the defence budgets DO increase, it will be because Europe do not trust the US as an ally, and need not to depend on them. This will be a disaster for the US as a would-be superpower. Trump's diplomatic relations meetings: 1: Say how terrible *x foreign country* is for some reason 2: Arrange meeting saying its going to be historic and great for America 3: Go to meeting and make demands 4: Claim victory and go home 5: Start the cycle again when none of his ridiculous demands are met.
As Kickboxer has aptly demonstrated, why not? They believe it's all part of a GRAND STRATEGY and he literally can do no wrong. If he actually got impeached they'd spin that as part of the plan, too.
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Russian Influence Campaign Sought To Exploit Americans' Trust In Local News
Russia's information attack against the United States during the 2016 election cycle sought to take advantage of the greater trust that Americans tend to place in local news.
The information operatives who worked out of the Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg not only sought to pose as American social media users or spread false information from purported news sources, according to new details.
They also created a number of Twitter accounts that posed as sources for Americans' hometown headlines.
NPR has reviewed information connected with the investigation and found 48 such accounts. They have names such as @ElPasoTopNews, @MilwaukeeVoice, @CamdenCityNews and @Seattle_Post.
"A not insignificant amount of those had some sort of variation on what appeared to be a homegrown local news site," said Bret Schafer, a social media analyst for the Alliance for Securing Democracy, which tracks Russian influence operations and first noticed this trend.
Another example: the Internet Research Agency created an account that looks like it is The Chicago Daily News. That newspaper shuttered in 1978.
The Internet Research Agency-linked account was created in May 2014, and for years it just posted local headlines, accumulating some 19,000 followers by July of 2016.
Another twist: These accounts apparently never spread misinformation. In fact, they posted real local news, serving as sleeper accounts building trust and readership for some future, unforeseen effort.
"They set them up for a reason. And if at any given moment they wanted to operationalize this network of what seemed to be local American news handles, they can significantly influence the narrative on a breaking news story," Schafer told NPR. "But now instead of just showing up online and flooding it with news sites, they have these accounts with two years of credible history."
Twitter caught these Internet Research Agency accounts in the act and suspended them.
The discovery and suspension of the local accounts suggests two things as investigators continue to build their understanding about Russia's campaign of active measures against the United States and the West.
First, that the Russian misinformation project was a years-long effort, one that wasn't simply focused on the 2016 election but on destabilizing the United States over an extended period of time.
"The Russians are playing a long game. They've developed a presence on social media. They've created these fictitious persons and fictitious organizations that have built up over a period of time a certain trustworthiness among people that follow them," said Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee.
Second, the failed effort to create local news accounts also says something about how Americans trust local news sources more than national news — and how the Russians evidently knew about that vulnerability.
A Pew survey from 2016 found that 82 percent of Americans have "some," or "a lot" of confidence in local news organizations.
"If you're trying to pass along information that is not true but you want people to believe it, creating or inventing fake local news sources is an effective way of doing it because people will convey some trust to the locality even if the publication is one they've never seen before." said Tom Rosenstiel, the executive director of the American Press Institute.
Though this particular effort to exploit local news failed, the Russian misinformation campaign continues now.
"This effort is not over," said Sen. Susan Collins, a Republican on the Senate intelligence committee. "It continues to this very day, where the Russians are trying to sow the seeds of discontent in our society, take advantage of the polarization that exists."
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NPR is reporting on new information about Russia efforts to impersonate local news outlets. The troubling part is that these accounts were not spreading misinformation yet. They were reporting local news in a extended effort to build up trust before being used. Sometimes for over a year.
It think this points to a problem with how sites like Twitter are so hands off with how accounts are made and what they can claim to be. Social media’s lack of oversight at account creation level leaves is an easy target for abuse, especially when our elected officials use the same service and appear side by side with the fake accounts.
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Canada is increasing its military spending by 70% over 10 years. Trump forced Trudeau's hand on that one during the NATO Summit. Nice negotiating by the Prez.
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On July 12 2018 23:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Canada is increasing its military spending by 70% over 10 years. Trump forced Trudeau's hand on that one during the NATO Summit. Nice negotiating by the Prez.
http://www.newsweek.com/trudeau-defies-trump-nato-summit-canada-refuses-increase-defense-spending-1017475
What..? That's literally the opposite of what happened.
The 70% increased military spending from Canada in 2026 was announced over a month ago.
Am I watching madness in real time where Trump gets after credited for demanding something which is already happening?
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What you are watching is world leaders make the decision they can no longer rely on US leadership and then flattering Trump by saying they did it because of him. You are watching the US president get played.
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On July 13 2018 00:12 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2018 23:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Canada is increasing its military spending by 70% over 10 years. Trump forced Trudeau's hand on that one during the NATO Summit. Nice negotiating by the Prez. http://www.newsweek.com/trudeau-defies-trump-nato-summit-canada-refuses-increase-defense-spending-1017475What..? That's literally the opposite of what happened. The 70% increased military spending from Canada in 2026 was announced over a month ago. Am I watching madness in real time where Trump gets after credited for demanding something which is already happening?
dude did you read your link?
Trudeau promised to DEFY trump and would not increase spending on July 11.
now, on July 12, he is increasing spending
also, Trudeau didn't promise increased military spending during the election. he was pressured into this deicision by the Prez.
also, the terms changed. now its by 2024 not 2026. again, thanks to Trump's tough negotiating tactics.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/07/canada-increase-military-spending-nato
when is the last time 2% of Canada's GDP went to defense spending?
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On July 13 2018 00:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 00:12 Excludos wrote:On July 12 2018 23:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Canada is increasing its military spending by 70% over 10 years. Trump forced Trudeau's hand on that one during the NATO Summit. Nice negotiating by the Prez. http://www.newsweek.com/trudeau-defies-trump-nato-summit-canada-refuses-increase-defense-spending-1017475What..? That's literally the opposite of what happened. The 70% increased military spending from Canada in 2026 was announced over a month ago. Am I watching madness in real time where Trump gets after credited for demanding something which is already happening? nah, Trudeau didn't promise increased military spending during the election. he was pressured into this deicision by the Prez. also, the terms changed. now its by 2024 not 2026. again, thanks to Trump's tough negotiating tactics.
Quick google shows that there's a bit of truth in both. I found articles from more than a year ago with defense spending, so Trump really can't be credited for doing it now.
Trudeau didn't give in to pressure, but given the uselessness of Trump internationally(Yay for schoolyard bully diplomacy and sucking up to dictators), Canada expected to need to take up a bigger role.
That link is from 2017 June. You need to learn to read.
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On July 13 2018 00:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 00:12 Excludos wrote:On July 12 2018 23:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Canada is increasing its military spending by 70% over 10 years. Trump forced Trudeau's hand on that one during the NATO Summit. Nice negotiating by the Prez. http://www.newsweek.com/trudeau-defies-trump-nato-summit-canada-refuses-increase-defense-spending-1017475What..? That's literally the opposite of what happened. The 70% increased military spending from Canada in 2026 was announced over a month ago. Am I watching madness in real time where Trump gets after credited for demanding something which is already happening? dude did you read your link? Trudeau promised to DEFY trump and would not increase spending on July 11. now, on July 12, he is increasing spending also, Trudeau didn't promise increased military spending during the election. he was pressured into this deicision by the Prez. also, the terms changed. now its by 2024 not 2026. again, thanks to Trump's tough negotiating tactics. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/07/canada-increase-military-spending-natowhen is the last time 2% of Canada's GDP went to defense spending?
Well, it won't be 2024 or 2026; as your own (year-old) link points out it's 1.4% in 2024.
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You...you do know that the year-old article you quoted about a spending increase specifically mentions that there were one-time expenses that would result in short-term drops in spending even if there was a larger plan to increase spending? And the globalsnews article is about the latter, not the former?
Or do you not realize that *June 2017* article cannot possibly be the result of Trump's actions in July 2018?
This is some weird temporal disturbance stuff.
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Defence minister Harjit Sajjan said the budget would jump by 73% to C$32.7bn ($24.2bn) in 2026-27 from C$18.9bn in 2016-17, with the biggest increases coming in later years.
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Sajjan said the boost would take total defense expenditures to 1.4% of GDP by 2024-25 from 1.2% now. Other estimates put Canada’s spending at closer to 1.0%.
last year canada said that almost a decade from now they will increase their military spending. lol.
On July 13 2018 00:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:You...you do know that the year-old article you quoted about a spending increase specifically mentions that there were one-time expenses that would result in short-term drops in spending even if there was a larger plan to increase spending? Which is what that article talks about? Or do you not realize that *June 2017* article cannot possibly be the result of Trump's actions in July 2018? This is some weird temporal disturbance stuff.
what you dont understand is that trump plays 5D chess. time is the 4th dimension, so clearly he's able to manipulate events regardless of when they happened.
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On July 13 2018 00:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
This is some weird temporal disturbance stuff.
here was Canada's future defense spending policies in March.
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/whats-happening-to-canadas-defence-spending/
note an "eye popping" increase of 70%. Its "eye popping" because the liberals did not promise an increase in spending during the election. they had zero plans to increase spending. Liberals never want to increase defense spending.
Trudeau did not promise increased military spending... he was pressured into it.
https://www.macleans.ca/politics/canada-to-increase-defence-spending-by-14-billion-over-10-years/
"The plan also comes as Canada and other NATO allies have faced pressure from U.S. President Donald Trump to dramatically increase defence spending to reach two per cent of GDP."
when is the last time Canada had a defense budget equal to 2% of GDP? the Korean war? 
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The temporal disturbance continues.
You cite an article from March 2018 about Canada's 2018 budget being a reduction, but still having a 10-year plan to increase spending, then a June 7 2017 article (basically the Newsweek article redux) about the 10-year increase in spending.
None of this has anything to do with the recent summit because it happened in June 2017 and nothing's changed in a year, and none of it will result in spending of 2% GDP because it's a 70% projected increase in dollars spent, not share of GDP.
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In US political news:
Strzok(FBI agent that was removed from the Russia investigation) is before congress. He refused to answer a question from Rep Gowdy and was threatened with contempt.
In response Rep. Swalwell moved to have Bannon held in contempt for refusing to answer questions while under oath. Now Gowdy has moved the votes on contempt to another day, so they can die quietly.
Sometimes the House is fun.
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Pete Strzok's hearing is going on right now. It took them 90 minutes to ask more than 1 question. I've watched a lot of hearings on CSPAN and PBS since the Russia investigations started and this is by far the biggest mess of a hearing that I've seen so far.
EDIT: P6 beat me by 10 seconds lol.
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Why is Canada spending more money on its own military something that trump wants? He wants people to pay more into NATO, not their own defence capabilities.
If anything countries spending more on their own defense just shows how little confidence people have in America as an ally.
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