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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 12 2018 15:59 GMT
#9121
On July 13 2018 00:55 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Pete Strzok's hearing is going on right now. It took them 90 minutes to ask more than 1 question. I've watched a lot of hearings on CSPAN and PBS since the Russia investigations started and this is by far the biggest mess of a hearing that I've seen so far.

EDIT: P6 beat me by 10 seconds lol.

I just watched it and it was amazing. These clowns in congress cannot help themselves. They want to make this political show of roasting this guy, but forgot that they let the Trump administration walk all over them. They can’t hold this guy’s feet to the fire if they won’t do the same for Trump’s people.

Moving to hold Bannon in contempt was a smart move too. It kills the debate because they have to vote on it and there is no way they split that vote.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16647 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 16:07:06
July 12 2018 16:01 GMT
#9122
On July 13 2018 00:53 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 00:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On July 13 2018 00:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
This is some weird temporal disturbance stuff.


here was Canada's future defense spending policies in March.
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/whats-happening-to-canadas-defence-spending/

note an "eye popping" increase of 70%. Its "eye popping" because the liberals did not promise an increase in spending during the election. they had zero plans to increase spending.

Trudeau did not promise increased military spending... he was pressured into it.
https://www.macleans.ca/politics/canada-to-increase-defence-spending-by-14-billion-over-10-years/

"The plan also comes as Canada and other NATO allies have faced pressure from U.S. President Donald Trump to dramatically increase defence spending to reach two per cent of GDP."

when is the last time Canada had a defense budget equal to 2% of GDP? the Korean war?


The temporal disturbance continues.

You cite an article from March 2018 about Canada's 2018 budget being a reduction, but still having a 10-year plan to increase spending, then a June 7 2017 article (basically the Newsweek article redux) about the 10-year increase in spending.

None of this has anything to do with the recent summit because it happened in June 2017 and nothing's changed in a year, and none of it will result in spending of 2% GDP because it's a 70% projected increase in dollars spent, not share of GDP.

the temporal disturbance continues...

none of this has to do with Trudeau's out-of-nowhere decision to dramatically increase military spending and what motivated this new policy.

his increase in military spending is due to Trump turning up the heat. so i'd count that as a negotiated win on the part of Trump.

I've never seen a liberal government promise a 70% increase in military spending... have you?

also, Trudeau conceded Trump's language and discussed hitting 2% of GDP. Previously, he had never spoken in these terms.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/07/12/trudeau-bills-pre-existing-defence-plan-as-answer-to-trumps-nato-spending-call.html

again, a negotiated win for Trump
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11406 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 16:08:58
July 12 2018 16:04 GMT
#9123
On July 13 2018 00:55 levelping wrote:
Why is Canada spending more money on its own military something that trump wants? He wants people to pay more into NATO, not their own defence capabilities.

If anything countries spending more on their own defense just shows how little confidence people have in America as an ally.



The whole NATO argument has, as far as i can tell, nothing to do with money paid into NATO. It is always about the 2% GDP defense spending thingy, and even then usually not really concrete. Just the vague feeling that because the US spends way more than that on their military, their allies should also do the same.

The whole thing is without substance, and even if there were substance, the substance would be pointless because it is not as if the US would spend less on their military if Germany spent more. But this once again delivers a nice outside enemy to rage against, which is always nice to have to unite your followers behind you. "The Europeans are cheating us on NATO!" has just the right bite to resonate nicely with the Trump base. And if it resonates, they don't actually care about any facts behind it. And now apparently Trump is winning, because he made Canada do stuff through time travel.

It works in the same way that his trade policy works. Badly understood things are pressed into concepts which seem maybe slightly related if you look at them very superficially. "We have a trade deficit" = "We are losing money, bad deal!". "They don't pay as much for defense as we do, and mumblemumblemumble NATO 2%" = "They are ripping us off! They owe us money!"


Edit: Also, i just realized how much "defense spending" is newspeak. The US military budget is not spend on "defense" in any way. It is spend on global control and offense. A war in iraq is not "defense". A military base in the middle east is not "defense".
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 16:06:21
July 12 2018 16:06 GMT
#9124
On July 13 2018 00:55 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Pete Strzok's hearing is going on right now. It took them 90 minutes to ask more than 1 question. I've watched a lot of hearings on CSPAN and PBS since the Russia investigations started and this is by far the biggest mess of a hearing that I've seen so far.

EDIT: P6 beat me by 10 seconds lol.




Saw this clip. Strokz is coming in hot, looks like there's a flip side to the story of those texts after all.
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levelping
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore759 Posts
July 12 2018 16:11 GMT
#9125
On July 13 2018 01:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 00:53 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On July 13 2018 00:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On July 13 2018 00:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
This is some weird temporal disturbance stuff.


here was Canada's future defense spending policies in March.
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/whats-happening-to-canadas-defence-spending/

note an "eye popping" increase of 70%. Its "eye popping" because the liberals did not promise an increase in spending during the election. they had zero plans to increase spending.

Trudeau did not promise increased military spending... he was pressured into it.
https://www.macleans.ca/politics/canada-to-increase-defence-spending-by-14-billion-over-10-years/

"The plan also comes as Canada and other NATO allies have faced pressure from U.S. President Donald Trump to dramatically increase defence spending to reach two per cent of GDP."

when is the last time Canada had a defense budget equal to 2% of GDP? the Korean war?


The temporal disturbance continues.

You cite an article from March 2018 about Canada's 2018 budget being a reduction, but still having a 10-year plan to increase spending, then a June 7 2017 article (basically the Newsweek article redux) about the 10-year increase in spending.

None of this has anything to do with the recent summit because it happened in June 2017 and nothing's changed in a year, and none of it will result in spending of 2% GDP because it's a 70% projected increase in dollars spent, not share of GDP.

the temporal disturbance continues...

none of this has to do with Trudeau's out-of-nowhere decision to dramatically increase military spending and what motivated this new policy.

his increase in military spending is due to Trump turning up the heat. so i'd count that as a negotiated win on the part of Trump.

I've never seen a liberal government promise a 70% increase in military spending... have you?

also, Trudeau conceded Trump's language and discussed hitting 2% of GDP. Previously, he had never spoken in these terms.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/07/12/trudeau-bills-pre-existing-defence-plan-as-answer-to-trumps-nato-spending-call.html

again, a negotiated win for Trump


And how do you know that the increase in spending is trump turning up the heat, and not simply people losing faith in America as an ally?

Defense spending is a sovereign decision, and the idea that its something that is "negotiated" is pretty far fetched. Treaty obligations like NATO contributions? Sure that's negotiable. But defense spending? Lol.

You can see how silly this sounds if you just turn the issue around. So all this time the US was spending much more on its defence than its allies, and getting a "bad deal" according to Trump - is anyone going to seriously accept that the EU and Canada were able to force the US to spend all that money on defence?

Of course not.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2616 Posts
July 12 2018 16:13 GMT
#9126
On July 13 2018 00:59 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 00:55 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Pete Strzok's hearing is going on right now. It took them 90 minutes to ask more than 1 question. I've watched a lot of hearings on CSPAN and PBS since the Russia investigations started and this is by far the biggest mess of a hearing that I've seen so far.

EDIT: P6 beat me by 10 seconds lol.

I just watched it and it was amazing. These clowns in congress cannot help themselves. They want to make this political show of roasting this guy, but forgot that they let the Trump administration walk all over them. They can’t hold this guy’s feet to the fire if they won’t do the same for Trump’s people.

Moving to hold Bannon in contempt was a smart move too. It kills the debate because they have to vote on it and there is no way they split that vote.

Yes, the maneuver about holding Bannon in contempt was very good tactics from Swalwell. I think that HJC would be willing to split those votes, though. Just vote yes on Strzok and no on Bannon along pure party lines and obfuscate their clear partisan bias in screwing with Mueller's investigation by talking about executive privilege (since that was the original excuse Bannon used to avoid answering questions).
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 12 2018 16:16 GMT
#9127
Poor Trey Gowdy looks frozen when Strzok responded then when he threatened him a demo agreed if they would charge Bannon with he same thing, of course Gowdy couldn't let that happen.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 12 2018 16:21 GMT
#9128
On July 13 2018 01:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 00:55 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Pete Strzok's hearing is going on right now. It took them 90 minutes to ask more than 1 question. I've watched a lot of hearings on CSPAN and PBS since the Russia investigations started and this is by far the biggest mess of a hearing that I've seen so far.

EDIT: P6 beat me by 10 seconds lol.


https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1017430161472610304

Saw this clip. Strokz is coming in hot, looks like there's a flip side to the story of those texts after all.

There were no survivors, Jesus. I don’t think they were prepared for how hard that guy was going to come out swinging. But that is how you beat them in these political stage plays. Upstage them.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 16:31:10
July 12 2018 16:21 GMT
#9129
On July 13 2018 00:59 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 00:55 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Pete Strzok's hearing is going on right now. It took them 90 minutes to ask more than 1 question. I've watched a lot of hearings on CSPAN and PBS since the Russia investigations started and this is by far the biggest mess of a hearing that I've seen so far.

EDIT: P6 beat me by 10 seconds lol.

I just watched it and it was amazing. These clowns in congress cannot help themselves. They want to make this political show of roasting this guy, but forgot that they let the Trump administration walk all over them. They can’t hold this guy’s feet to the fire if they won’t do the same for Trump’s people.

Moving to hold Bannon in contempt was a smart move too. It kills the debate because they have to vote on it and there is no way they split that vote.


The amount of theater in discussing the private texts of an FBI agent has long gone past worn-out. If only they cared half as much about why Trump can't never act like a Putin-plant as they do in finding out what political-opinions an FBI agent might have.

How do people buy this? How does a GOP, "proud American", start hating a random service-member, reading his private texts, berating him, because he had... an opinion? If you had half as much scrutiny, not even for Trump, but for Putin. You trust pedophiles and snake-oil salesman more than actual patriots. It's so fucking over-the-top at this point. Stop attacking the FBI for simply investigating things you're afraid of. It's - fucking - pathetic. Acting all indignant and angry because this guy wrote his girlfriend a fucking text message... You can't be more full of shit than this.

On July 13 2018 01:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 00:53 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On July 13 2018 00:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On July 13 2018 00:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
This is some weird temporal disturbance stuff.


here was Canada's future defense spending policies in March.
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/whats-happening-to-canadas-defence-spending/

note an "eye popping" increase of 70%. Its "eye popping" because the liberals did not promise an increase in spending during the election. they had zero plans to increase spending.

Trudeau did not promise increased military spending... he was pressured into it.
https://www.macleans.ca/politics/canada-to-increase-defence-spending-by-14-billion-over-10-years/

"The plan also comes as Canada and other NATO allies have faced pressure from U.S. President Donald Trump to dramatically increase defence spending to reach two per cent of GDP."

when is the last time Canada had a defense budget equal to 2% of GDP? the Korean war?


The temporal disturbance continues.

You cite an article from March 2018 about Canada's 2018 budget being a reduction, but still having a 10-year plan to increase spending, then a June 7 2017 article (basically the Newsweek article redux) about the 10-year increase in spending.

None of this has anything to do with the recent summit because it happened in June 2017 and nothing's changed in a year, and none of it will result in spending of 2% GDP because it's a 70% projected increase in dollars spent, not share of GDP.

the temporal disturbance continues...

none of this has to do with Trudeau's out-of-nowhere decision to dramatically increase military spending and what motivated this new policy.

his increase in military spending is due to Trump turning up the heat. so i'd count that as a negotiated win on the part of Trump.

I've never seen a liberal government promise a 70% increase in military spending... have you?

also, Trudeau conceded Trump's language and discussed hitting 2% of GDP. Previously, he had never spoken in these terms.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/07/12/trudeau-bills-pre-existing-defence-plan-as-answer-to-trumps-nato-spending-call.html

again, a negotiated win for Trump

You didn't win anything. America didn't win anything. Germany or Canada spending more on military... that effects Germany and Canada.

But to you it is a win. Because this is a game.

Europe's "dependency" on our military isn't a liability. What do you think has been happening the past 70 years? We've been struggling economically from all our support for Europe? It's a problem for us? Having military-bases around the world is a strain to our military or economy?

No. We became the world's superpower. How horrible. Let's change all that right-quick.

Europe will build up its own militaries. I am 100% sure of that. I was sure of that before the demands were asked. We've lost the world's trust. But, hey, this thing happened, and like, you totally said it would, so congratulations dude.
Big water
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2616 Posts
July 12 2018 16:23 GMT
#9130
On July 13 2018 01:21 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 01:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 13 2018 00:55 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Pete Strzok's hearing is going on right now. It took them 90 minutes to ask more than 1 question. I've watched a lot of hearings on CSPAN and PBS since the Russia investigations started and this is by far the biggest mess of a hearing that I've seen so far.

EDIT: P6 beat me by 10 seconds lol.


https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1017430161472610304

Saw this clip. Strokz is coming in hot, looks like there's a flip side to the story of those texts after all.

There were no survivors, Jesus. I don’t think they were prepared for how hard that guy was going to come out swinging. But that is how you beat them in these political stage plays. Upstage them.

The huge GUILTY signs that Rep Cummings had made are amazing. If Democrats want to win in 2018 and 2020, more messaging like that would be a good start.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 16:35:07
July 12 2018 16:26 GMT
#9131
On July 13 2018 01:13 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 00:59 Plansix wrote:
On July 13 2018 00:55 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Pete Strzok's hearing is going on right now. It took them 90 minutes to ask more than 1 question. I've watched a lot of hearings on CSPAN and PBS since the Russia investigations started and this is by far the biggest mess of a hearing that I've seen so far.

EDIT: P6 beat me by 10 seconds lol.

I just watched it and it was amazing. These clowns in congress cannot help themselves. They want to make this political show of roasting this guy, but forgot that they let the Trump administration walk all over them. They can’t hold this guy’s feet to the fire if they won’t do the same for Trump’s people.

Moving to hold Bannon in contempt was a smart move too. It kills the debate because they have to vote on it and there is no way they split that vote.

Yes, the maneuver about holding Bannon in contempt was very good tactics from Swalwell. I think that HJC would be willing to split those votes, though. Just vote yes on Strzok and no on Bannon along pure party lines and obfuscate their clear partisan bias in screwing with Mueller's investigation by talking about executive privilege (since that was the original excuse Bannon used to avoid answering questions).

The result of the vote will matter less than the headlines, which is what this game is all about. Bannon's refusal to answer questions will be put side by side with Strzok, which will be the narrative and give anyone talking about it a clear line to show that House Republicans are all about kissing that ring. I'm just glad the Democrats have finally started playing the same game the Republicans have been playing, rather than trying to get the Republicans to stop playing.

On July 13 2018 01:23 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 01:21 Plansix wrote:
On July 13 2018 01:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 13 2018 00:55 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Pete Strzok's hearing is going on right now. It took them 90 minutes to ask more than 1 question. I've watched a lot of hearings on CSPAN and PBS since the Russia investigations started and this is by far the biggest mess of a hearing that I've seen so far.

EDIT: P6 beat me by 10 seconds lol.


https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1017430161472610304

Saw this clip. Strokz is coming in hot, looks like there's a flip side to the story of those texts after all.

There were no survivors, Jesus. I don’t think they were prepared for how hard that guy was going to come out swinging. But that is how you beat them in these political stage plays. Upstage them.

The huge GUILTY signs that Rep Cummings had made are amazing. If Democrats want to win in 2018 and 2020, more messaging like that would be a good start.

I just saw that, that is some next level shit. I've said it 100 times, the closer the House gets to chair throwing, the better off the country will be(there are no chairs in congress, there are benches).

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/396679-top-democrat-displays-guilty-posters-of-mueller-subjects

For folks who have not seen. The best part is during the objection to the signs:

“Cite the rule,” Democrats responded.


Now this is politics! Bring back dueling.

Edit: Shit if I knew this hearing was going to be this good, I would have taken the day off.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2616 Posts
July 12 2018 16:34 GMT
#9132
On July 13 2018 01:26 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 01:13 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On July 13 2018 00:59 Plansix wrote:
On July 13 2018 00:55 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Pete Strzok's hearing is going on right now. It took them 90 minutes to ask more than 1 question. I've watched a lot of hearings on CSPAN and PBS since the Russia investigations started and this is by far the biggest mess of a hearing that I've seen so far.

EDIT: P6 beat me by 10 seconds lol.

I just watched it and it was amazing. These clowns in congress cannot help themselves. They want to make this political show of roasting this guy, but forgot that they let the Trump administration walk all over them. They can’t hold this guy’s feet to the fire if they won’t do the same for Trump’s people.

Moving to hold Bannon in contempt was a smart move too. It kills the debate because they have to vote on it and there is no way they split that vote.

Yes, the maneuver about holding Bannon in contempt was very good tactics from Swalwell. I think that HJC would be willing to split those votes, though. Just vote yes on Strzok and no on Bannon along pure party lines and obfuscate their clear partisan bias in screwing with Mueller's investigation by talking about executive privilege (since that was the original excuse Bannon used to avoid answering questions).

The result of the vote will matter less than the headlines, which is what this game is all about. Bannon's refusal to answer questions will be put side by side with Strzok, which will be the narrative and give anyone talking about it a clear line to show that House Republicans are all about kissing that ring. I'm just glad the Democrats have finally started playing the same game the Republicans have been playing, rather than trying to get the Republicans to stop playing.

Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 01:23 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On July 13 2018 01:21 Plansix wrote:
On July 13 2018 01:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 13 2018 00:55 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Pete Strzok's hearing is going on right now. It took them 90 minutes to ask more than 1 question. I've watched a lot of hearings on CSPAN and PBS since the Russia investigations started and this is by far the biggest mess of a hearing that I've seen so far.

EDIT: P6 beat me by 10 seconds lol.


https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1017430161472610304

Saw this clip. Strokz is coming in hot, looks like there's a flip side to the story of those texts after all.

There were no survivors, Jesus. I don’t think they were prepared for how hard that guy was going to come out swinging. But that is how you beat them in these political stage plays. Upstage them.

The huge GUILTY signs that Rep Cummings had made are amazing. If Democrats want to win in 2018 and 2020, more messaging like that would be a good start.

I just saw that, that is some next level shit. I've said it 100 times, the closer the House gets to chair throwing, the better off the country will be(there are no chairs in congress, there are benches).

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/396679-top-democrat-displays-guilty-posters-of-mueller-subjects

For folks who have not seen. The best part is during the objection to the signs:

Show nested quote +
“Cite the rule,” Democrats responded.


Now this is politics. Bring back dueling.

Edit: Shit if I knew this hearing was going to be this good, I would have taken the day off.

LOL. I know what I'm watching during lunch / tonight.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 16:43:40
July 12 2018 16:36 GMT
#9133
2.8% official inflation in usa now. The 3? trillion that has been printed and given to the banks,who have invested it in real estate and equities over the past few years, are slowly starting to drip through the whole economy. Going to take years before new balance has been found. I think prices will keep rise much further.

Are people still so negative about trump? I think he will break 50% support/popularity to the upside soon,if not already.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

not yet I guess.
Trump has few die hard supporters who will always support him,but there is just as big of a group of people who will never support trump no matter what happens.
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
July 12 2018 16:37 GMT
#9134
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Trump's campaign-manager's latest official photograph

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Big water
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 12 2018 16:40 GMT
#9135
You might need to add some substance to that post, or risk getting warned. But that is a quality photograph of one of the stupidest criminals alive.
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Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
July 12 2018 16:41 GMT
#9136
On July 13 2018 01:36 pmh wrote:
2.8% official inflation in usa now. The 3? trillion that has been printed and given to the banks,who have invested it in real estate and equities over the past few years, are slowly starting to drip through the whole economy. Going to take years before new balance has been found. I think prices will keep rise much further.

Are people still so negative about trump? I think he will break 50% support/popularity to the upside soon,if not already.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

not yet I guess.

Is that what the figure is? I havent seen an approval rating on him but based on the opinions in this forum I wouldnt expect them to be very high
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 16:51:06
July 12 2018 16:42 GMT
#9137
Trump's approval ratings hover around 40% on average, with highs and lows depending on how many people his administration is abusing at any given time.

Edit: Republicans have now refused to release the transcript of the closed door testimony they are grilling Strzok on, while also threatening him with contempt for not answering questions that are withing said testimony.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 16:52:22
July 12 2018 16:51 GMT
#9138
The line between mainstream Dems and Conservative GOP members is increasing blurry. Any politician who protests but does nothing else one might look at where they get their money from.


ANDREW CUOMO HAS a glaring conflict of interest when it comes to the politics of abolishing ICE. Luxury landlords across the state collect millions in rent from the agency — money they have turned around and funneled to Cuomo’s political campaigns, according to a new report by the New York-based watchdog group Public Accountability Initiative.

Cuomo, meanwhile, hasn’t joined other New York politicians — from likely incoming Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to 2020 hopeful Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand — in calling to dismantle Immigration and Customs Enforcement, instead telling NY1 recently that the agency “should be a bona fide law enforcement organization that prudently and diligently enforces the law.”

Looking largely at publicly available data from the General Services external lease database, PAI researchers have documented extensive financial ties from Cuomo donors and members of his inner circle to ICE and Customs and Border Protection — the main agencies tasked with carrying out America’s increasingly brutal immigration policies. Since his first run for governor in 2011, PAI found that Cuomo has accepted at least $807,483 from companies, individuals, and the relatives of people who rent space to federal immigration authorities, and furnished many of them with positions in state government.

Rob Galbraith, PAI’s senior research analyst, told me by phone, “We saw that a lot of people were investigating the private-sector actors benefiting from immigration policy. We found that there is a significant overlap [between] those actors and the landlords and real estate interests that have close ties to the Cuomo administration.”

Cuomo’s primary challenger, Cynthia Nixon, who has called for abolishing ICE, wrote in an emailed statement that “while its reprehensible that Governor Cuomo has profited from ICE’s existence, it’s hardly surprising. … Many have been bewildered by the Governor’s continued support for ICE as its atrocities mount and so many other New York leaders have called for ICE’s abolition. Now we have an explanation: the Governor won’t call to abolish Trump’s rogue deportation force because his donors don’t want him to.”

In Manhattan, the iconic Starrett-Lehigh Building — co-owned by RXR Realty and Blackstone Group — has for 16 years been home to an ICE Homeland Security Investigation field office, which pays $12.4 million a year to lease part of the sprawling property overlooking the Hudson River, which bills itself as “a place to create, to influence and to succeed.” ICE’s fellow Starrett-Lehigh tenants include period-proof underwear brand Thinx and the offices of Martha Stewart’s multifaceted lifestyle brand.

The agency that handles leasing for federal agencies is the U.S. General Services Administration. Asked about standard procedures for federal agency leasing, GSA Regional Public Affairs officer Alison Kohler said over email that GSA “leases space from private entities when it is the best solution to meet the space requirements of GSA’s federal agency customers.”

In the case of the Starrett-Lehigh Building, GSA — using eminent domain or “condemnation” — relocated federal immigration enforcement offices there after 9/11, when the World Trade Center offices of several agencies that would eventually be consolidated into the Department of Homeland Security were destroyed. “GSA used its condemnation authority for immediate occupancy, and then executed a 10-year lease in November 2002 with renewal options. GSA exercised one option in 2013,” Kohler said.

Top executives at both RXR Realty and Blackstone, which acquired its stake in the building in 2015, have close ties to the Governor’s Mansion.

The chair and CEO of RXR Realty is Scott Rechler, whose family has donated at least $613,000 to Cuomo’s various runs for office. In exchange, Cuomo appointed Rechler to the board of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, a post he held from 2011 to 2016. In 2017, Cuomo tapped him again, this time for a seat on the board of the notoriously dysfunctional Metropolitan Transportation Authority that he still holds. A New York Times investigation found that Rechler and several other Cuomo appointees continued to give to the governor after taking their state jobs, despite a 2007 executive order from former Gov. Eliot Spitzer that sought to prohibit such arrangements. On top of his government posts, Rechler is also a member of the Real Estate Board of New York, an influential trade lobby for developers in the city whose other members have also given generously to Cuomo.

In a statement over email, Rechler said, “While I have the utmost respect for the career professionals at the Department of Homeland Security and within ICE, as an American, I do find certain federal policies set by the current Administration relating to immigration, including family separation, to be disturbing and inhumane. It is my hope that we rethink our nation’s approach to immigrants and immigration more broadly.”


According to the New York Times, all of Lesley Zemsky’s $95,000 in donations to Cuomo were given after her husband’s appointments. Zemsky himself stopped donating to Cuomo after taking those positions, though that didn’t stop Cuomo from bringing him along to an at least $1,000-a-seat fundraiser for his campaign last summer, attendees to which very likely included executives at companies that Zemsky has the power to award contracts and tax breaks to through his controversial upstate development plans. To fortify the pair’s friendship, Zemsky paid an estimated $5,000 last summer to charter a private plane for Cuomo to and from Buffalo to officiate his daughter Kayla’s wedding. “Obviously, I am not going to ask him to come across the state at taxpayer expense, so I provided transportation,” Zemsky told the New York Daily News.

Another Western New York landlord, Uniland Development, collects $1.95 million per year from ICE and $562,756 from CBP in rent, in Buffalo and Cheektowaga, respectively. Uniland and the family that controls it, the Montates, have altogether donated at least $39,500 to Cuomo’s campaigns. Both of these properties, GSA writes, were obtained via a competitive bidding process for a federal contract that Uniland won.

The PAI report goes on to list several other ICE and CBP lessors that have given to Cuomo in smaller amounts. Researchers also note that Cuomo attended a $5,000-a-plate fundraiser in a private box at Mets stadium for the lobbying firm Constantinople & Vallone, which represents private prison and immigration detention center contractor GEO Group.

Staff from Cuomo’s offices did not return The Intercept’s requests for comment. A spokesperson for ICE refused to comment on leasing, directing us to submit a FOIA request. A spokesperson from CBP referred us to GSA.


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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-12 17:24:59
July 12 2018 16:53 GMT
#9139
On July 13 2018 01:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 00:53 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On July 13 2018 00:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On July 13 2018 00:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
This is some weird temporal disturbance stuff.


here was Canada's future defense spending policies in March.
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/whats-happening-to-canadas-defence-spending/

note an "eye popping" increase of 70%. Its "eye popping" because the liberals did not promise an increase in spending during the election. they had zero plans to increase spending.

Trudeau did not promise increased military spending... he was pressured into it.
https://www.macleans.ca/politics/canada-to-increase-defence-spending-by-14-billion-over-10-years/

"The plan also comes as Canada and other NATO allies have faced pressure from U.S. President Donald Trump to dramatically increase defence spending to reach two per cent of GDP."

when is the last time Canada had a defense budget equal to 2% of GDP? the Korean war?


The temporal disturbance continues.

You cite an article from March 2018 about Canada's 2018 budget being a reduction, but still having a 10-year plan to increase spending, then a June 7 2017 article (basically the Newsweek article redux) about the 10-year increase in spending.

None of this has anything to do with the recent summit because it happened in June 2017 and nothing's changed in a year, and none of it will result in spending of 2% GDP because it's a 70% projected increase in dollars spent, not share of GDP.

the temporal disturbance continues...

none of this has to do with Trudeau's out-of-nowhere decision to dramatically increase military spending and what motivated this new policy.

his increase in military spending is due to Trump turning up the heat. so i'd count that as a negotiated win on the part of Trump.

I've never seen a liberal government promise a 70% increase in military spending... have you?

also, Trudeau conceded Trump's language and discussed hitting 2% of GDP. Previously, he had never spoken in these terms.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/07/12/trudeau-bills-pre-existing-defence-plan-as-answer-to-trumps-nato-spending-call.html

again, a negotiated win for Trump

you realize that Canada agreed to aim for 2% of GDP waaaay before trump was in office or even close to the presidency, right?

and as such any increase in canadian spending would have nothing to do with trump; but was something already planned long before.
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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
July 12 2018 17:04 GMT
#9140
On July 13 2018 01:36 pmh wrote:
2.8% official inflation in usa now. The 3? trillion that has been printed and given to the banks,who have invested it in real estate and equities over the past few years, are slowly starting to drip through the whole economy. Going to take years before new balance has been found. I think prices will keep rise much further.

Are people still so negative about trump? I think he will break 50% support/popularity to the upside soon,if not already.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

not yet I guess.
Trump has few die hard supporters who will always support him,but there is just as big of a group of people who will never support trump no matter what happens.

Starting to drip? The recovery started in 2Q '09.

We'll see how much longer deficit spending cap prop up the economy, but it's getting close to the end of the expansion cycle. Yield curve is getting awfully flat.
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