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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 13 2018 04:49 GreenHorizons wrote: ROFLMAO Maxine Waters is the realest one. "You need your medication!?" The one thing I appreciate is that Trump has let the more colorful and entertaining democrats(aka, most of the black house reps) out from behind the cage of civility. Rep Cummings just showed up is showing like “let me show you kids how protesting really works.” | ||
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Introvert
United States4682 Posts
On July 13 2018 04:57 TheTenthDoc wrote: I think you're confusing McCabe with Strzok there. McCabe also got the lion's share of the IG report, I think (or at least that's what the reporting on it said) though it said Strzok's texts showed a "biased state of mind." Strzok's still working at FBI. yes, but he was removed from his post. He was severely down graded as I recall. Nah, the IG report was pretty bad for him too, it was just written in bureaucrat. I edited an "a" back into my first post because I knew someone would try to dance around the and the display we have going on here. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 13 2018 04:55 Introvert wrote: I'm more amazed that a man fired from the investigation he desperately wanted to be be on, removed from his FBI position at the recommendation of the proper office, a subject of a long, scathing IG report has managed to impress people and turn himself into a #resistance hero by partaking in this political theater. LOL. But I forgot. everyone's first reaction to him getting canned was "but his pension!" If he hates Trump then you all love him. Have to find out if anything actually useful was said later, I guess. edit: wait that pension part was McCabe. oh all part of the same crew, the same weird respect for a few days. He was already taken off the case, subject to investigation and then disciplined. That should have been it and most folks on the left agree with that outcome, including members of the House. But now he has been dragged before Congress twice, once in public to be publicly shamed by Republican House members that are attacking the FBI. People are cheering on a guy defending himself from an abuse of governmental powers. As a conservative, this guy should be your hero. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On July 13 2018 05:01 Introvert wrote: yes, but he was removed from his post. He was severely down graded as I recall. Nah, the IG report was pretty bad for him too, it was just written in bureaucrat. Is...there any evidence for that? (they're actually two separate IG reports, btw, I had them mixed up) I mean, he's currently chief something-or-other of HR, which I'm not sure is a demotion so much as a "we probably don't want someone who Republicans want to demonize on TV on cases right now" | ||
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Introvert
United States4682 Posts
On July 13 2018 05:05 TheTenthDoc wrote: Is...there any evidence for that? Or are you just making that up? The already released report said he was referred to the disciplinary committee, and considering McCabe got disciplined two or so months before the official release of his IG report... (they're actually two separate IG reports, btw, I had them mixed up) reupping from above I edited an "a" back into my first post because I knew someone would try to dance around that and the display we have going on here. Well I'm not here for much longer but I'm talking about the email investigation report. Made him look pretty bad, and here we have supposedly smart people being taken in. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On July 13 2018 05:04 Plansix wrote: He was already taken off the case, subject to investigation and then disciplined. That should have been it and most folks on the left agree with that outcome, including members of the House. But now he has been dragged before Congress twice, once in public to be publicly shamed by Republican House members that are attacking the FBI. People are cheering on a guy defending himself from an abuse of governmental powers. As a conservative, this guy should be your hero. This has me seriously wondering if we're not in the middle of another major shift in political polarity. The modern wave of Conservatism resembles traditional Conservative values in name more than anything else. | ||
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Introvert
United States4682 Posts
On July 13 2018 05:04 Plansix wrote: He was already taken off the case, subject to investigation and then disciplined. That should have been it and most folks on the left agree with that outcome, including members of the House. But now he has been dragged before Congress twice, once in public to be publicly shamed by Republican House members that are attacking the FBI. People are cheering on a guy defending himself from an abuse of governmental powers. As a conservative, this guy should be your hero. The guys being dragged in front of Congress because of mistakes he made as a high level FBI agent. Just because he's "defending himself" by playing everyone for shallow fools doesn't make him a hero. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
'You couldn't think of a single person to not vote for Hilary, a hundred million to zero, agent Strzok?' 'That was clearly hyperboly' 'Well lets say it's hyperbolic, lets divide it by 10, zero divided by 10 is still zero. You couldn't think of a single person?' 'Cleary that is not the truth, I can imagine a lot of people who vote for another candidate' 'Well you wrote it!' 'Did you write it?' Yeah he wrote it in a personal text message, who he didn't think anybody but the recipient would read, and therefore he didn't outright clarify in that personal text message that the number zero was not his exact serious thoughts on the matter. What the fuck man | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22991 Posts
On July 13 2018 05:11 Introvert wrote: The guys being dragged in front of Congress because of mistakes he made as a high level FBI agent. Just because he's "defending himself" by playing everyone for shallow fools doesn't make him a hero. I still think he and the entire FBI are terrible people if that makes you feel any better? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 13 2018 05:08 Introvert wrote: reupping from above I edited an "a" back into my first post because I knew someone would try to dance around that and the display we have going on here. Well I'm not here for much longer but I'm talking about the email investigation report. Made him look pretty bad, and here we have supposedly smart people being taken in. I can’t remember the last time a single FBI agent was dragged before congress to discuss an ongoing investigation and why he was removed from it. Congress members can get these answers other ways, they don’t need public hearings. That is why this is an abuse of congressional power. This is an effort to undermine the investigation. The fact that we are enjoying Republican House members getting up staged by a well prepared FBI agent and the Democrats that know the rules better doesn’t mean anyone here was “taken in”. Your attempts to make us seem naïve are as nakedly partisan as these shit show of a hearing. On July 13 2018 05:11 Introvert wrote: The guys being dragged in front of Congress because of mistakes he made as a high level FBI agent. Just because he's "defending himself" by playing everyone for shallow fools doesn't make him a hero. And was punished for. We don’t drag every FBI agent before congress for their public scolding and you know. You are not as dumb as the narrative you are trying to spin about the people in this thread, so please do yourself a favor and drop it. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On July 13 2018 05:11 Introvert wrote: The guys being dragged in front of Congress because of mistakes he made as a high level FBI agent. Just because he's "defending himself" by playing everyone for shallow fools doesn't make him a hero. I mean, one would think an IG investigation as well as a closed-door hearing whose transcripts were selectively leaked to make him look back was kind of enough without a self-aggrandizing soundbite fishing public hearing because the leaked transcripts weren't spicy enough. It's also hard not to cheer for someone who's being questioned by people who quote handbooks he quotes better than they do. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 13 2018 05:04 Plansix wrote: He was already taken off the case, subject to investigation and then disciplined. That should have been it and most folks on the left agree with that outcome, including members of the House. But now he has been dragged before Congress twice, once in public to be publicly shamed by Republican House members that are attacking the FBI. People are cheering on a guy defending himself from an abuse of governmental powers. As a conservative, this guy should be your hero. That would be assuming a coherent ideology there in which conservatives complaining about government overreach actually care about government overreach on principal, and not just when it's politically useful (especially as an obstructionist tool for when the other party has their turn to govern, whatever that may entail). But I suppose we both know that's assuming far too much. Honestly the last year and a half have been hilarious, like I can't believe people with access to information support the GOP in the US, it's been a real eye-opener in power-politics and how utterly shit human beings can be. Machiavelli would blush if he read a summary of McConnell's career, these people literally don't believe in anything except their own power, like having a gaping black hole where most humans developed a value system of some form. For all the absurdist comedy this brings, I don't like the idea that I'm going to live most of my life with these idiots making environmental policy for a nation that puts out more than its fair share of greenhouse gases. My favorite city is lodged up against a coastline and I don't want to see what the next 50 years are going to hold for it. | ||
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brian
United States9616 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Introvert
United States4682 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
Makes more sense as to why people might vote Trump, they are used to utter idiots in positions of power. | ||
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farvacola
United States18820 Posts
On July 13 2018 05:21 Introvert wrote: We've morphed from celebrating soundbites to honest to goodness defense. Sorry to disappoint, but I always think House hearings are a joke. But I'm not going to feel bad for a man whose actions in no small way contributed to this ridiculous scenario vis a vis the Russia investigation we have now. These hearings are theater but now I know who the audience is. Given that you've conjured up a way to excuse the shitty conduct of those conducting the hearings, it would appear you're part of the audience, at a minimum. | ||
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Introvert
United States4682 Posts
On July 13 2018 05:22 farvacola wrote: Given that you've conjured up a way to excuse the shitty conduct of those conducting the hearings, it would appear you're part of the audience, at a minimum. I've seen about 30 seconds. But what I'm reading is remarkable. I have some no such thing, it's that this time both sides are conducting themselves like fools (not left/right but Congressman/interviewee) | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On July 13 2018 05:21 Introvert wrote: We've morphed from celebrating soundbites to honest to goodness defense. Sorry to disappoint, but I always think House hearings are a joke. But I'm not going to feel bad for a man whose actions in no small way contributed to this ridiculous scenario vis a vis the Russia investigation we have now. These hearings are theater but now I know who the audience is. You seem to care about all this a lot more than your professed position would imply. I also find the idea, that someone who has done practically nothing with the investigation has somehow had an impact on it, laughable, but that no longer seems to be the point. It certainly isn't to the GOP. | ||
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Introvert
United States4682 Posts
On July 13 2018 05:24 NewSunshine wrote: You seem to care about all this a lot more than your professed position would imply. I also find the idea, that someone who has done practically nothing with the investigation has somehow had an impact on it, laughable, but that no longer seems to be the point. It certainly isn't to the GOP. last post for a few hours, but I'll try to be more clear. I am responding to the hilarity I'm reading here, I don't care about the carnival in DC. But this is a consistent pattern with these hearings. Everyone knows they are a farce but still people talk about it and they treat it like a team sport. People ven tried to make arguments to me based on my "team!" | ||
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