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On July 13 2018 07:41 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 07:39 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Is it normal for these things to be so much... not questionings? Like it's attack the investigation or attack russia, I've been listening for 20 minutes and don't think I've yet heard anything come up that feels like a sane use of this time and platform. Strzok might as well be a set of microphone and speakers here. Yes it is normal these days for these hearings to be complete political theater with utterly no substance or goal besides trying to score soundbites.
Okay cool.
Good to know. (I want to smack my head on a wall).
The deliberate misunderstanding of what Strzok is saying by some of these congressman is incredible (:
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On July 13 2018 07:39 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Is it normal for these things to be so much... not questionings? Like it's attack the investigation or attack russia, I've been listening for 20 minutes and don't think I've yet heard anything come up that feels like a sane use of this time and platform. Strzok might as well be a set of microphone and speakers here.
These congressional hearings make more sense if you consider them to be campaigning instead of meaningful government work.
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On July 13 2018 07:41 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 07:39 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Is it normal for these things to be so much... not questionings? Like it's attack the investigation or attack russia, I've been listening for 20 minutes and don't think I've yet heard anything come up that feels like a sane use of this time and platform. Strzok might as well be a set of microphone and speakers here. Yes it is normal these days for these hearings to be complete political theater with utterly no substance or goal besides trying to score soundbites.
They have always been political theater. It is just a question of type of theater the public enjoys in a given political era.
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I'm starting to think that cats have more of a sense of shame than these republican politicians. Like they clearly don't care for facts, for reality, or for morality. They don't care that everyone can see them slobbering all over donalds tiny pecker, because they know their base will praise them for it.
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So they get to just frame him as a bad guy for minutes, and then when he wants to respond to the inaccurate framing, they say 'I wasn't asking a question' and he gets cut off by the chairman from responding because he's only allowed to answer questions. This is some masochistic shit.
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On July 13 2018 05:31 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 05:24 Introvert wrote:On July 13 2018 05:22 farvacola wrote:
Given that you've conjured up a way to excuse the shitty conduct of those conducting the hearings, it would appear you're part of the audience, at a minimum. I've seen about 30 seconds. But what I'm reading is remarkable. I have some no such thing, it's that this time both sides are conducting themselves like fools (not left/right but Congressman/interviewee) So what you are saying is that you are less informed that the people you are mocking, but decided to mock them anyways?
You are right of course, you can only comment if you sit there for hours watching. Reading about (from people whose job it is to write about it) isn't good enough. It doesnt even change my point about what I'm reading from people in this thread.
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On July 13 2018 07:47 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 07:41 Gorsameth wrote:On July 13 2018 07:39 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Is it normal for these things to be so much... not questionings? Like it's attack the investigation or attack russia, I've been listening for 20 minutes and don't think I've yet heard anything come up that feels like a sane use of this time and platform. Strzok might as well be a set of microphone and speakers here. Yes it is normal these days for these hearings to be complete political theater with utterly no substance or goal besides trying to score soundbites. Okay cool. Good to know. (I want to smack my head on a wall). The deliberate misunderstanding of what Strzok is saying by some of these congressman is incredible (:
Not unique to the American system either- we had a refreshing change up here during Mulcair's brief tenure as leader of opposition. Rather than grandstanding, he systematically grilled with short, simple questions, building to the point like the lawyer he was so there was no wiggle room and it was embarrassingly obvious when government was dodging a yes/ no question. The problem with grandstanding when you drone on and on, the questionee can latch on to any part of your ramble and sound like they're answering something you said. Refreshing- because no one else did it, but it's surprisingly effective and just as good for the soundbites, if not better.
But it's a longer game because you don't get the sound bites in a speech... you have to give enough rope and the sound bite is your opponent hanging themselves with your rope. Not as flashy for you, perhaps, but I think more effective.
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On July 13 2018 08:31 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 07:47 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On July 13 2018 07:41 Gorsameth wrote:On July 13 2018 07:39 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Is it normal for these things to be so much... not questionings? Like it's attack the investigation or attack russia, I've been listening for 20 minutes and don't think I've yet heard anything come up that feels like a sane use of this time and platform. Strzok might as well be a set of microphone and speakers here. Yes it is normal these days for these hearings to be complete political theater with utterly no substance or goal besides trying to score soundbites. Okay cool. Good to know. (I want to smack my head on a wall). The deliberate misunderstanding of what Strzok is saying by some of these congressman is incredible (: Not unique to the American system either- we had a refreshing change up here during Mulcair's brief tenure as leader of opposition. Rather than grandstanding, he systematically grilled with short, simple questions, building to the point like the lawyer he was so there was no wiggle room and it was embarrassingly obvious when government was dodging a yes/ no question. The problem with grandstanding when you drone on and on, the questionee can latch on to any part of your ramble and sound like they're answering something you said. Refreshing- because no one else did it, but it's surprisingly effective and just as good for the soundbites, if not better. But it's a longer game because you don't get the sound bites in a speech... you have to give enough rope and the sound bite is your opponent hanging themselves with your rope. Not as flashy for you, perhaps, but I think more effective. The biggest problem is that you have to be competent if you want to pull it off.
And these people are not remotely competent.
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Trump said in an interview he has better approval ratings than Lincoln with Republicans. There so many things that are stupid about that statement I don’t even know where to start.
But hey, let’s go with “What did all the people who didn’t approve of Lincoln do?”
The rest of the article is also important because he is fucking with U.K. politics, which is a bad plan for him. They really don’t like him at all.
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A lot of polling got done by local post office employees who then transmitted the data by moonlight so that people wouldn't notice anyone was in the building and bother them. The lines weren't being used at night so it was easy to send data like that through
Its actually were the term "moonlighting" comes from.
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On July 13 2018 08:31 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 07:47 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On July 13 2018 07:41 Gorsameth wrote:On July 13 2018 07:39 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Is it normal for these things to be so much... not questionings? Like it's attack the investigation or attack russia, I've been listening for 20 minutes and don't think I've yet heard anything come up that feels like a sane use of this time and platform. Strzok might as well be a set of microphone and speakers here. Yes it is normal these days for these hearings to be complete political theater with utterly no substance or goal besides trying to score soundbites. Okay cool. Good to know. (I want to smack my head on a wall). The deliberate misunderstanding of what Strzok is saying by some of these congressman is incredible (: Not unique to the American system either- we had a refreshing change up here during Mulcair's brief tenure as leader of opposition. Rather than grandstanding, he systematically grilled with short, simple questions, building to the point like the lawyer he was so there was no wiggle room and it was embarrassingly obvious when government was dodging a yes/ no question. The problem with grandstanding when you drone on and on, the questionee can latch on to any part of your ramble and sound like they're answering something you said. Refreshing- because no one else did it, but it's surprisingly effective and just as good for the soundbites, if not better. But it's a longer game because you don't get the sound bites in a speech... you have to give enough rope and the sound bite is your opponent hanging themselves with your rope. Not as flashy for you, perhaps, but I think more effective.
Yeah, the Canadian equivalent is when political parties yell at each other about bad stuff that happened and then their caucus does this annoying floor stomping thing.
But at least that's politicians grandstanding at other politicians.
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On July 13 2018 07:45 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 07:39 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Is it normal for these things to be so much... not questionings? Like it's attack the investigation or attack russia, I've been listening for 20 minutes and don't think I've yet heard anything come up that feels like a sane use of this time and platform. Strzok might as well be a set of microphone and speakers here. It feels like people want to make some point to say and don't care at all about actual questions 'I want to go in on not the content of the texts, but the volume. How did you send so many texts during work? ' 'Well most of them are work texts'' 'You are spending so much time texting how do you get your job done' 'Well those are work texts and i work long hours, feel free to sort through them' "I can't believe you're this lazy on taxpayers dime' They are barely restraining themselves from throwing rotten tomatoes
fuck congress they are such fucking stupid hypocrites its unbelievable. everyone who thinks lines of questioning like this are good should just be rounded up and sent off to kansas w a case of bud heavy and a tv set that only plays fox news so they cant fuck everything else up for the rest of us.
jesus christ i cant understand why strzok even gave up his cell phone texts. was it his work phone or something? this is why you dont do anything personal on government networks or devices
@introvert
the IG is a garbage organization that has to justify their massive budget that they use to investigate things like employee texts. every report is scathing. its expected. the only way it wouldnt be scathing is if we replaced the entire government work force w flawless robots
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It was a work phone. Otherwise they would have never obtained them.
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On July 13 2018 08:26 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 05:31 Plansix wrote:On July 13 2018 05:24 Introvert wrote:On July 13 2018 05:22 farvacola wrote:
Given that you've conjured up a way to excuse the shitty conduct of those conducting the hearings, it would appear you're part of the audience, at a minimum. I've seen about 30 seconds. But what I'm reading is remarkable. I have some no such thing, it's that this time both sides are conducting themselves like fools (not left/right but Congressman/interviewee) So what you are saying is that you are less informed that the people you are mocking, but decided to mock them anyways? You are right of course, you can only comment if you sit there for hours watching. Reading about (from people whose job it is to write about it) isn't good enough. It doesnt even change my point about what I'm reading from people in this thread.
Thanks for showing up, calling us all stupid and peacing out. Look forward to your next visit when you do the same thing again. We really appreciate the consistency.
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On July 13 2018 10:01 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 08:26 Introvert wrote:On July 13 2018 05:31 Plansix wrote:On July 13 2018 05:24 Introvert wrote:On July 13 2018 05:22 farvacola wrote:
Given that you've conjured up a way to excuse the shitty conduct of those conducting the hearings, it would appear you're part of the audience, at a minimum. I've seen about 30 seconds. But what I'm reading is remarkable. I have some no such thing, it's that this time both sides are conducting themselves like fools (not left/right but Congressman/interviewee) So what you are saying is that you are less informed that the people you are mocking, but decided to mock them anyways? You are right of course, you can only comment if you sit there for hours watching. Reading about (from people whose job it is to write about it) isn't good enough. It doesnt even change my point about what I'm reading from people in this thread. Thanks for showing up, calling us all stupid and peacing out. Look forward to your next visit when you do the same thing again. We really appreciate the consistency.
I do it, too, to be fair. I have no interest in conversing with people who spit on servicemen in this manner, simply because he had a political opinion. And this is hardly the first incident. We've seen Danglars, Introvert, et al, do what the GOP did today for pages and pages of this thread. What are they supposed to say? They don't think FBI agents should be allowed to have political opinions. They shouldn't be allowed to investigate the Dear Leaders. They're fascists. I can't converse with them, and won't.
We can talk about how we're supposed to lower taxes again and again and again when you stop being fascist, is my attitude lately. Part of the problem that has gotten us here is playing their stupid games and treating them seriously. Treating Trump seriously, instead of ignoring him.
Today, the only thing the GOP proved, to anyone with any functioning cognitive ability, is that any government employee tasked with investigating a Republican politician will have their personal lives critiqued and will be essentially treated like trash from a pack of desperate, guilty, and perhaps traitorous, snakes. Lied at, given no time to respond. Just desperate bullying of a veteran and serviceman, without a single fucking point to stand on in any of it. He cheated on his wife. He doesn't like Trump. How pathetic and disgraceful that we even know these things and are discussing them. What fucking children are we?
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To be fair, "integrity" can be a hard concept to grasp if you don't actually have any.
We have people working in Law with political opinions, we got two options there. Either, they can do their job without their political bias interfering - which is something they argue isn't possible, apparently. The other option is to put them on trial for unethical behaviour - because i'm pretty sure it's illegal to do a better/worse job based on your clients political views.
It's pretty simple, really.
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On July 13 2018 10:25 m4ini wrote:
To be fair, "integrity" can be a hard concept to grasp if you don't actually have any.
We have people working in Law with political opinions, we got two options there. Either, they can do their job without their political bias interfering - which is something they argue isn't possible, apparently. The other option is to put them on trial for unethical behaviour - because i'm pretty sure it's illegal to do a better/worse job based on your clients political views.
It's pretty simple, really.
It takes a lot of integrity to say that I'm speaking badly of strozk because of his political views. But this is always the way it is, just assume that's what I, or any conservative in this thread, is doing. No one came to his defense after he was a part of that damning IG report, but now, because he plays counter-showman, he's a normal public servant.
Now that is disingenuous. Just like Comey, anyone who dumps on Trump receives the famous "strange new respect" from the left.
edit: also impressive how we can call the whole thing a sham while at the same time cheering on those involved in the deception. It's like the excuse "everyone does it" is twisted even further.
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i dont know what you are talking about honestly
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On July 13 2018 10:41 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 10:25 m4ini wrote:
To be fair, "integrity" can be a hard concept to grasp if you don't actually have any.
We have people working in Law with political opinions, we got two options there. Either, they can do their job without their political bias interfering - which is something they argue isn't possible, apparently. The other option is to put them on trial for unethical behaviour - because i'm pretty sure it's illegal to do a better/worse job based on your clients political views.
It's pretty simple, really. It takes a lot of integrity to say that I'm speaking badly of strozk because of his political views. But this is always the way it is, just assume that's what I, or any conservative in this thread, is doing. No one came to his defense after he was a part of that damning IG report, but now, because he plays counter-showman, he's a normal public servant. Now that is disingenuous. Just like Comey, anyone who dumps on Trump receives the famous "strange new respect" from the left.
Everyone would have just called him a FBI agent that fucked up, but the GOP has to drag him before congress. So now people are laughing about how political the GOP is making this by doubling down on political bias. They are so desperate for “wins” they make unforced errors like trying to get blood from this stone. The dude is no hero, but he is so far from the cartoon villain the GOP is going for it’s comical.
And why? Because they know the Manfort trial is going to be a shot show for them and likely validate the entire investigation.
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On July 13 2018 10:41 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 10:25 m4ini wrote:
To be fair, "integrity" can be a hard concept to grasp if you don't actually have any.
We have people working in Law with political opinions, we got two options there. Either, they can do their job without their political bias interfering - which is something they argue isn't possible, apparently. The other option is to put them on trial for unethical behaviour - because i'm pretty sure it's illegal to do a better/worse job based on your clients political views.
It's pretty simple, really. It takes a lot of integrity to say that I'm speaking badly of strozk because of his political views. But this is always the way it is, just assume that's what I, or any conservative in this thread, is doing. No one came to his defense after he was a part of that damning IG report, but now, because he plays counter-showman, he's a normal public servant. Now that is disingenuous. Just like Comey, anyone who dumps on Trump receives the famous "strange new respect" from the left. edit: also impressive how we can call the whole thing a sham while at the same time cheering on those involved in the deception. It's like the excuse "everyone does it" is twisted even further.
I'm not sure if it's because it's like 3am in the morning here, but that makes zero sense to me.
Just like Comey, anyone who dumps on Trump receives the famous "strange new respect" from the left.
That's factually untrue. There's nothing strange to respect someone who actually served his country (and not himself or his interests) for decades. I don't have respect for Strozk, i barely know him. What i did saw is what happened today, and what it's based on. And i certainly wouldn't have a shred of respect for anyone involved in that one. The sole fact that someone had to go to his private life to try and smear him, and go on a tirade with him not being allowed to response, should give you an indication of what this was.
And no, "it's just a show for votes" really isn't an excuse, because only absolute dipshits would be impressed by this.
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