US Politics Mega-thread - Page 462

On July 13 2018 10:56 m4ini wrote:



I'm not sure if it's because it's like 3am in the morning here, but that makes zero sense to me.

On July 13 2018 10:44 IgnE wrote:
i dont know what you are talking about honestly

On July 13 2018 10:56 m4ini wrote:



I'm not sure if it's because it's like 3am in the morning here, but that makes zero sense to me.



That's factually untrue. There's nothing strange to respect someone who actually served his country (and not himself or his interests) for decades. I don't have respect for Strozk, i barely know him. What i did saw is what happened today, and what it's based on. And i certainly wouldn't have a shred of respect for anyone involved in that one. The sole fact that someone had to go to his private life to try and smear him, and go on a tirade with him not being allowed to response, should give you an indication of what this was.

And no, "it's just a show for votes" really isn't an excuse, because only absolute dipshits would be impressed by this.

On July 13 2018 11:05 Introvert wrote:


re: Comey. Comey was one of the (many) people Hillary blamed for hero loss. Then he comes out with a book attacking Trump's skin color and talking about heartwarming moments with Obama and he becomes everyone's new favorite person. he makes millions in book sales before he flames out as it becomes obvious the man's massive ego and political analysis drove his decision making.

We had one Congressman asking about his affair in a weird way

re: Comey. Comey was one of the (many) people Hillary blamed for hero loss. Then he comes out with a book attacking Trump's skin color and talking about heartwarming moments with Obama and he becomes everyone's new favorite person. he makes millions in book sales before he flames out as it becomes obvious the man's massive ego and political analysis drove his decision making.

On July 13 2018 11:13 m4ini wrote:


That's a nice way of describing attempted character assassination because nothing else stuck. Mueller is trying to teflon, because if there's the slightest indication of something going wrong, no matter how retarded it actually is, they'll be all over him. Very clearly.

And of course we "indulge ourselves" in the absolute shitshow this was. Like, do you actually accept this as normal? This was worse than the house of commons in the UK, and that's a literal clown show with no substance with people just shouting over each other.

And no, of course holding high level public servants accountable is not a witch hunt. If it's necessary and actually doing something, absolutely necessary. But: you literally say "this even in particular is a scam", while criticising others for ridiculing it. Like, the fuck are you even talking about?



I don't particularly care for HRCs opinion. Like, at all. That really doesn't influence for who i'd have respect and for who i wouldn't. Not to mention that his book really wasn't well conceived, so i don't know wtf you talk about yet again. I'll leave it at that, this isn't fun.

On July 13 2018 11:38 Introvert wrote:


I think it being 3 am is affecting you, that's fine, I'm prob not posting at optimally either. For instance, I just couldn't think of a better phrase quickly than "in a weird way." Although for the record being an adulterer is character assassinating yourself.

On July 13 2018 11:51 Plansix wrote:

My guy, Trump is president. He banged a porn star and paid her be quite about it. He leads our country. If being an adulterer self inflicted character assassination, electing one must be the death of our national pride in your book.

On July 13 2018 00:55 levelping wrote:
Why is Canada spending more money on its own military something that trump wants? He wants people to pay more into NATO, not their own defence capabilities.

If anything countries spending more on their own defense just shows how little confidence people have in America as an ally.

On July 13 2018 01:04 Simberto wrote:



The whole NATO argument has, as far as i can tell, nothing to do with money paid into NATO. It is always about the 2% GDP defense spending thingy, and even then usually not really concrete. Just the vague feeling that because the US spends way more than that on their military, their allies should also do the same.

The whole thing is without substance, and even if there were substance, the substance would be pointless because it is not as if the US would spend less on their military if Germany spent more. But this once again delivers a nice outside enemy to rage against, which is always nice to have to unite your followers behind you. "The Europeans are cheating us on NATO!" has just the right bite to resonate nicely with the Trump base. And if it resonates, they don't actually care about any facts behind it. And now apparently Trump is winning, because he made Canada do stuff through time travel.

It works in the same way that his trade policy works. Badly understood things are pressed into concepts which seem maybe slightly related if you look at them very superficially. "We have a trade deficit" = "We are losing money, bad deal!". "They don't pay as much for defense as we do, and mumblemumblemumble NATO 2%" = "They are ripping us off! They owe us money!"


Edit: Also, i just realized how much "defense spending" is newspeak. The US military budget is not spend on "defense" in any way. It is spend on global control and offense. A war in iraq is not "defense". A military base in the middle east is not "defense".

On July 13 2018 11:38 Introvert wrote:


I think it being 3 am is affecting you, that's fine, I'm prob not posting at optimally either. For instance, I just couldn't think of a better phrase quickly than "in a weird way." Although for the record being an adulterer is character assassinating yourself.

On July 13 2018 04:02 Plansix wrote:
Special reminder that Trump bragged that NK had already returned the remains of US soldiers killed during the Korean War. That was a lie, they only agreed to do it. There was a meeting set up to discuss it, which the North Koreans never showed up for and refuse to acknowledge ever existed.

Trump got played again.

Edit: Beat me to it.



Translation: we would rather let the man child have his way because those tariffs are going to have nominal impacts on our billionaire backers.

Paul Ryan forgot where his veto override button, which he broke out when Obama vetoed a very bad law. Ryan is somehow more pathetic as a lame duck speaker.

On July 13 2018 07:26 ticklishmusic wrote:


And to think we gave you guys shit for Brexit.

Burden-sharing has been a complaint and issue with NATO since it's inception, but really we were going to spend that much anyways as a global hegemon.

On July 13 2018 17:54 iamthedave wrote:


You should have! We deserved it! Brexit was very much US Politics-lite, and it's an embarrassment to Britain that neither the leave nor remain campaigns were campaigning using the truth. But the thing is; we realise it was an embarrassment and we haven't let it become the norm. It seems like ALL US politics is this sort of bullshit now. For us it was a drunken bender of resurgent isolationist thought and patriotism mixed with some genuine concerns about how the EU's laws interacted with ours.

Re: The SUN article; the most important bullet point from there is the one about Trump saying he was going to be all friendly friendly with Russia despite the Novichok gas attack in Salisbury. That is a somewhat hidden BIG deal. It's directly saying that he doesn't have our back and we're not true allies, and the Novichok thing is going to be a political big deal for some time. Also even the SUN's comments have multiple people telling Trump to fuck off. And there is literally no friendlier audience he could have appealed to.

On July 13 2018 19:20 Jockmcplop wrote:


There are no alliances with Trump, only deals to be made and deals to be gotten away from. No-one should be able to expect to rely on the US for anything at all with Trump in charge, unless they are willing to pay a price that is far and above what is reasonable.

On July 13 2018 10:41 Introvert wrote:


It takes a lot of integrity to say that I'm speaking badly of strozk because of his political views. But this is always the way it is, just assume that's what I, or any conservative in this thread, is doing. No one came to his defense after he was a part of that damning IG report, but now, because he plays counter-showman, he's a normal public servant.

Now that is disingenuous. Just like Comey, anyone who dumps on Trump receives the famous "strange new respect" from the left.
edit: also impressive how we can call the whole thing a sham while at the same time cheering on those involved in the deception. It's like the excuse "everyone does it" is twisted even further.

No one came to his defense after he was a part of that damning IG report, but now, because he plays counter-showman, he's a normal public servant.