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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 13 2018 05:24 Introvert wrote: I've seen about 30 seconds. But what I'm reading is remarkable. I have some no such thing, it's that this time both sides are conducting themselves like fools (not left/right but Congressman/interviewee) So what you are saying is that you are less informed that the people you are mocking, but decided to mock them anyways? | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On July 13 2018 05:28 Introvert wrote: last post for a few hours, but I'll try to be more clear. I am responding to the hilarity I'm reading here, I don't care about the carnival in DC. But this is a consistent pattern with these hearings. Everyone knows they are a farce but still people talk about it and they treat it like a team sport. People ven tried to make arguments to me based on my "team!" I'm not deriding you based on the political leaning I know you have. I'm deriding you because that leaning is causing you to think the problem here is that people are upset, rather than the more-worthless-than-trash clownshow the GOP are putting on. If you think you're too cool for the discussion, always feel free to not take part. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 13 2018 05:31 Plansix wrote: So what you are saying is that you are less informed that the people you are mocking, but decided to mock them anyways? Reminds me a lot of a discussion i had here over a racist statement made by a US politician (forgot the details) - constantly being told that "it wasn't racist" by someone who didn't even watch the video of it. It really shouldn't be surprising. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 13 2018 05:37 m4ini wrote: Reminds me a lot of a discussion i had here over a racist statement made by a US politician (forgot the details) - constantly being told that "it wasn't racist" by someone who didn't even watch the video of it. It really shouldn't be surprising. I don't really understand folks who drop into the thread to say things like: "Everyone here is not very smart for cheering this guy in a hearing that I have not really watched" I don't understand the folks that appear to tell us all we are part of some leftist echo chamber or drop some hot knowledge on why something isn't racist. They always turn around and claim the thread is so mean to them Its like walking into a party, yelling loudly about how unattractive all the girls are and then complaining none of them want to talk. | ||
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farvacola
United States18826 Posts
On July 13 2018 05:42 ticklishmusic wrote: It's gonna be entertaining when the House is controlled by Democrats and they flip the tables. Maxine Waters for Speaker! | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23222 Posts
I mean I was cheering her on too, but let's not get carried away and forget the theme of "new leadership" doesn't mean different octogenarians. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
I would also take Frederica Wilson, but only if she wears a different cowboy hat every day. | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On the republican side, Gowdy brought forth the most compelling argument for bias. One or two others brought weak arguments that weren't very convincing best. The rest of the republicans were an utter embarrassment to the United States as usual. On the democrat side, they mostly brought up off-topic remarks about how terrible Trump is, and how they could be doing something more useful. A couple democrats had relevant lines of questioning that pointed out a reasonably clear line of logic that they obviously believe is true. Republican congresspeople in general seem to often miss at least one of the following key distinctions. 1. A personal political opinion is something everyone has. But people are expected to do their job in an impartial manner, which means leaving your personal opinions out of it. Republican congresspeople seem unable to comprehend the notion that a person could do their job impartially regardless of their personal opinion. To me, this reflects poorly on them. Often, people think others are unable to do things that they themselves are unable to do. Again, Gowdy had the best argument against the notion that Strzok kept his personal opinion out of it (in his later questions, time yielded to him by another congressperson) 2. There is a difference between a personal opinion and bias. Strzok brought forth and defended this notion on multiple occasions. His assertion is that bias requires action. In other words, something he did (or didn't do) because of his personal opinion. Many republican congresspeople seem to be of the opinion that his personal opinion constitutes bias. Overall I think this is just a disagreement in the definition of the word bias. Again, Gowdy made the strongest arguments against the notion that Strzok's personal opinion did not affect his work. 3. Many republican congresspeople brought forward the notion that they didn't believe Strzok's testimony. "Why should we believe you?" Strzok gave strong responses, including that it wasn't just him, but everyone in his team working together, that made decisions. Also that an investigation of some sort (though it may not have been an official investigation, I don't know) was made, and found nothing that Strzok did (or didn't do) that would constitute bias. Republican congresspeople seemed to just disregard those arguments. They just didn't want to believe him, they just felt he was lying and felt he had an "attitude." Strzok being taken off the investigation is not an admission of biased practice, but simply an admission that he fucked up (which he clearly did, making those texts, especially on a work device) and should not be part of the investigation. Mueller made the right move getting him off the team as soon as he got wind of this. On July 13 2018 05:42 ticklishmusic wrote: It's gonna be entertaining when the House is controlled by Democrats and they flip the tables. I'm sure democrats will fuck it up. | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
"In my wildest dreams .... I never thought that I, a young black man, would be defending the FBI." | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
I mean, fuck 'political theatre', that should just be plain humiliating that your actual elected representatives believe that is a fair or reasonable thing to say to a man in such a context. That's the government launching a televised character assassination against a citizen. Fuck it. It's normal, right? That's where we're at. I'm just so glad that the UK hasn't been infected by whatever disease has overrun your political class. Yet. And I hope it never happens. I've yet to hear one bonafide proof that the man did anything wrong. It's all allegation and maybes and might haves. He sent some texts he shouldn't have to his girlfriend. For which he was punished. Beyond that, so fucking what? Jesus, I wish we could get access to the personal texts of every Republican Senator in that room and stick them on the stand. I bet there'd be plenty of reason to if we had access to those messages. Plenty of evidence of bias clearly influencing their work. And good on the citizen for just smirking at the arrogant fuckers through the whole affair. They deserve no grim expression, no serious brow. Just a casual smirk at their inanity. And giant signs showing the people who've been found guilty so far. Those are kind of funny. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
For people so keen on calling out the FBI investigation as a witch-hunt, these Republican congressman sure are keen on their kangaroo-court bullshit. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 13 2018 07:15 iamthedave wrote: The sound clip of the Republican going after him for his wife is sickening. I mean, fuck 'political theatre', that should just be plain humiliating that your actual elected representatives believe that is a fair or reasonable thing to say to a man in such a context. That's the government launching a televised character assassination against a citizen. Fuck it. It's normal, right? That's where we're at. I'm just so glad that the UK hasn't been infected by whatever disease has overrun your political class. Yet. And I hope it never happens. I've yet to hear one bonafide proof that the man did anything wrong. It's all allegation and maybes and might haves. He sent some texts he shouldn't have to his girlfriend. For which he was punished. Beyond that, so fucking what? Jesus, I wish we could get access to the personal texts of every Republican Senator in that room and stick them on the stand. I bet there'd be plenty of reason to if we had access to those messages. Plenty of evidence of bias clearly influencing their work. And good on the citizen for just smirking at the arrogant fuckers through the whole affair. They deserve no grim expression, no serious brow. Just a casual smirk at their inanity. And giant signs showing the people who've been found guilty so far. Those are kind of funny. And to think we gave you guys shit for Brexit.  | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
They are so blatant, it's so ridiculously stupid. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21671 Posts
On July 13 2018 07:39 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Yes it is normal these days for these hearings to be complete political theater with utterly no substance or goal besides trying to score soundbites.Is it normal for these things to be so much... not questionings? Like it's attack the investigation or attack russia, I've been listening for 20 minutes and don't think I've yet heard anything come up that feels like a sane use of this time and platform. Strzok might as well be a set of microphone and speakers here. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On July 13 2018 07:39 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Is it normal for these things to be so much... not questionings? Like it's attack the investigation or attack russia, I've been listening for 20 minutes and don't think I've yet heard anything come up that feels like a sane use of this time and platform. Strzok might as well be a set of microphone and speakers here. It feels like people want to make some point to say and don't care at all about actual questions 'I want to go in on not the content of the texts, but the volume. How did you send so many texts during work? ' 'Well most of them are work texts'' 'You are spending so much time texting how do you get your job done' 'Well those are work texts and i work long hours, feel free to sort through them' "I can't believe you're this lazy on taxpayers dime' They are barely restraining themselves from throwing rotten tomatoes | ||
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